IRC log of swd on 2007-02-27
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- rrsagent, bookmark
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- zakim, this will be swd
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- ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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- Meeting: W3C Semantic Web Deployment Working Group - Telecon 2007-02-27, 16:00 UTC
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0173.html
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- Previous: 2007-02-20 http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html
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- Chair: Tom Baker
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- Scribe: Michael Hausenblas
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- ScribeNick: mhausenblas
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- Present: Guus Schreiber, Diego Berrueta, Ralph Swick, Simone Onofri, Michael Hausenblas
- 15:53:49 [Simone]
- Zakim, passcode please?
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- the conference code is 79394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone
- 15:54:03 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P1
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- present+ Tom Baker
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- +Ralph
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- zakim, ??p1 is TomB
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- +TomB; got it
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- +Michael_Hausenblas
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:56:14 [Simone]
- Zakim, Simone is IPcaller
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- sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named 'Simone'
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- Zakim, IPcaller is Simone
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- +Simone; got it
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- -TomB
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- present+ Jon Phipps
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- regrets+ Sean Bechhofer
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- +Antoine
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- +Tom_Baker
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- +JonP
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- regrets+ Antoine_Isaac
- 16:01:17 [RalphS]
- zakim, antoine is really Guus
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- +Guus; got it
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- +??P25
- 16:01:27 [mhausenblas]
- zakim, who's on the call?
- 16:01:27 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Ralph, Michael_Hausenblas, Simone, Guus, Tom_Baker, JonP, ??P25
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- present+ Daniel_Rubin
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- zakim, ??p25 is DLRubin
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- +DLRubin; got it
- 16:02:30 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 1. ADMIN (10 min)
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- 16:02:39 [mhausenblas]
- Tom has proposed new scribe assignments http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty
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- zakim, who is here?
- 16:02:50 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Ralph, Michael_Hausenblas, Simone, Guus, Tom_Baker, JonP, DLRubin
- 16:02:52 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see guus, dlrubin, berrueta, JonP, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, RalphS, mhausenblas, Simone
- 16:03:21 [mhausenblas]
- Tom: Simone ok with scribing?
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- +??P32
- 16:04:01 [mhausenblas]
- ... some pointer to the resources to follow
- 16:04:15 [RalphS]
- zakim, ??p32 is Alistair
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- +Alistair; got it
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- present+ Alistair Miles
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- +Ben_Adida
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- Tom: So start as a backup
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- present+ Ben_Adida
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- PROPOSED to accept http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html
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- RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
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- + +43.512.507.aaaa
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- Tom: WG process
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- present+ Jan_Henke
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- zakim, aaaa is Jan
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- +Jan; got it
- 16:06:44 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Ralph write a proposal for bringing http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/IssuesProcess and Tracker into alignment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html#action15]
- 16:07:01 [mhausenblas]
- --done
- 16:07:20 [RalphS]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0201.html action: proposal for aligning IssuesProcess and Tracker
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- q+
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- Ralph: For now Tracker is usable
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- ... people are invited to look at it
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- Tom: Continue discussion on the list
- 16:09:03 [mhausenblas]
- Spring face-to-face meeting
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- ACTION: Tom propose some dates for next face-to-face, looking at June [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html#action22]
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- --done
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0203.html Meeting in June? [Tom]
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- Tom: Early June to check for everyone
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- Topic: 2. SKOS - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS
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- q+
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- +Bernard_Horan
- 16:11:27 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Antoine to check with Veronique on terms being outside the ISO 2788 standard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action07]
- 16:11:30 [mhausenblas]
- --done
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- present+ Bernard_Horan
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- (indeed, filling in only my name and leaving nothing checked in the date poll seems to mean "none of these")
- 16:11:49 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Guus to capture the issue on capturing relationships between labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04]
- 16:11:50 [mhausenblas]
- --done
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- +Elisa_Kendall
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0181.html
- 16:12:16 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Elisa_Kendall
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0169.html email completing antoine's action re contacting Veronique
- 16:14:04 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
- 16:14:08 [mhausenblas]
- --continues
- 16:14:13 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
- 16:14:16 [mhausenblas]
- --continues
- 16:14:23 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Alistair to rephrase the old issue of skos/owl-dl coexistence and semantics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action08] - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0145
- 16:14:25 [mhausenblas]
- --done
- 16:14:32 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Guus to propose a resolution to relationships between labels by next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html#action11]
- 16:14:34 [mhausenblas]
- --done
- 16:14:56 [aliman]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0181.html Guus' resolution
- 16:15:00 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 3. RECIPES - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes
- 16:15:37 [Zakim]
- +nacho_marin
- 16:15:42 [berrueta]
- zakim, nacho_marin is me
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- +berrueta; got it
- 16:16:03 [mhausenblas]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 16:16:13 [Zakim]
- mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Hausenblas (14%), Simone (5%), Guus (44%), Alistair (31%)
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- Guus: Discussion on SKOS - Alistair ?
- 16:17:57 [mhausenblas]
- Jon: Expressing labels in different lang
- 16:18:11 [mhausenblas]
- Guus: xml:lang
- 16:18:55 [mhausenblas]
- ... expecting translation of term will differ
- 16:19:36 [mhausenblas]
- Guus: Continue on the list and proposed resolution next week
- 16:20:05 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Guus to propose resolution to SKOS issues by next week
- 16:20:36 [guus]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0195.html
- 16:20:57 [mhausenblas]
- Guus: This is my current state of the proposal
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- ... example - acronym
- 16:22:05 [mhausenblas]
- ... concepts have props that point to literals
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- ... if one wants to establish relations between them
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- ... there will be problems
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- ... two options: make them classes
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- ... other: assign XXX to it
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- ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in ">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
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- --continues
- 16:25:31 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 4. VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt
- 16:25:41 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Elisa to summarize state of Vocabulary Management draft, add comments, and coordinate work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06]
- 16:25:43 [mhausenblas]
- --continues
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- +Guus.a
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- Elisa: Some progress
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- Guus: Sigi Handschuh from DERI Galway promised to sign up
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- ACTION: Elisa to contact S. Handschuh
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- Topic: 5. SEMANTIC INTEGRATION - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SemanticIntegration
- 16:28:40 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Elisa to contact Daniel for participating in Semantic Integration note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-swd-minutes.html#action18]
- 16:28:44 [mhausenblas]
- --continues
- 16:29:13 [mhausenblas]
- Elisa: Some support from Chris XXX, might join as invited expert
- 16:29:35 [mhausenblas]
- ... from earlier SWBDG
- 16:30:13 [RalphS]
- q+ to give Daniel the connection to Stanford if Elisa doesn't get there
- 16:30:33 [mhausenblas]
- ... interested in Semantic Integration note
- 16:30:57 [Simone]
- Zakim, mute me please
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- Simone should now be muted
- 16:31:37 [TomB]
- q?
- 16:32:26 [mhausenblas]
- ... Natasha JJJ might rejoin?
- 16:32:59 [RalphS]
- s/JJJ/Noy
- 16:34:14 [mhausenblas]
- ack R
- 16:34:14 [Zakim]
- RalphS, you wanted to give Daniel the connection to Stanford if Elisa doesn't get there
- 16:35:07 [mhausenblas]
- Ralph: Discuss representation issues with Deb
- 16:35:26 [mhausenblas]
- ... does it make sense to join for just one task?
- 16:35:57 [mhausenblas]
- Tom: Propose to take F2F at AOB
- 16:36:03 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 6. RDFa - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#RDFa
- 16:36:06 [RalphS]
- agenda+ f2f location
- 16:36:26 [aliman]
- michael: not only overview but also response to discussionon list ...
- 16:36:53 [aliman]
- what we call umbrella specification, points to all relevant docs, gives some background, relevant terminology ...
- 16:37:26 [aliman]
- didn't yet discuss how to treat the doc, basically same as OWL - one doc as starter to other specs, apreciate feedback esp. on terminology used.
- 16:37:37 [aliman]
- ... first draft.
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- ben: should get feedback from WG, subgroup working on RDFa hasn't looked at this yet, might get more feedback in next couple of weeks, think this is a good thing.
- 16:38:27 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Guus to flag the issue of RDFa REC track on the coordination group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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- --done
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 16:38:51 [RalphS]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2007Feb/0057.html Guus' message to SWCG
- 16:38:56 [JonP]
- q+ question for Ralph about the Tracker
- 16:39:07 [RalphS]
- agenda+ Tracker questions
- 16:39:10 [mhausenblas]
- Ben: Short update for status
- 16:39:33 [mhausenblas]
- ,,, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0204.html
- 16:40:01 [RalphS]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0204.html [RDFa] Response to Reviewer Comments on RDFa Primer [Ben]
- 16:40:03 [mhausenblas]
- ... XHTML 1.1 module is now nearly ready
- 16:40:25 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: AOB
- 16:40:33 [RalphS]
- zakim, agenda?
- 16:40:33 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. f2f location [from RalphS]
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- 2. Tracker questions [from RalphS]
- 16:40:49 [RalphS]
- take up agendum 2
- 16:41:03 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: AOB - Tracker questions
- 16:41:37 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Ralph to check if Tracker is in BigBrother mode
- 16:42:53 [RalphS]
- Jon: specifically, there's been email discussion referring to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/26 that is not appearing in the Tracker Web interface
- 16:44:17 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Jon raise issue on Annotation on label - 1.3.1
- 16:44:28 [RalphS]
- close this agendum
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- take up agendum 1
- 16:44:43 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: AOB - F2F in June
- 16:45:38 [mhausenblas]
- Elisa: Does the meeting date with ESWC 07 (http://www.eswc2007.org/)
- 16:46:11 [RalphS]
- [[
- 16:46:13 [RalphS]
- 4th European Semantic Web Conference site. ESWC 2007 will take place from 3-7th, June 2007 in the Tyrol region of Innsbruck, Austria.
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- ]]
- 16:46:42 [mhausenblas]
- Tom: Discuss via list. A'dam would be reachable as well
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- ACTION: Guus to check if A'dam can be F2F venue
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- -Bernard_Horan
- 16:47:51 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- -Elisa_Kendall
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- -DLRubin
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- -Jan
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- -JonP
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- -Alistair
- 16:48:18 [mhausenblas]
- Tom: Elisa scribe next week, ok
- 16:48:19 [Zakim]
- -berrueta
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- -Ben_Adida
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- -Simone
- 16:48:31 [RalphS]
- zakim, list participants
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- As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, TomB, Michael_Hausenblas, Simone, Tom_Baker, JonP, Guus, DLRubin, Alistair, Ben_Adida, +43.512.507.aaaa, Jan, Bernard_Horan,
- 16:48:35 [Zakim]
- ... Elisa_Kendall, berrueta, Antoine
- 16:48:45 [seanb]
- have you just finished?
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- -Tom_Baker
- 16:48:59 [mhausenblas]
- yes ;)
- 16:49:06 [Zakim]
- -Antoine
- 16:49:09 [Zakim]
- -Ralph
- 16:49:12 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Hausenblas
- 16:49:12 [seanb]
- oh well. Hopefully I'll be here next week!
- 16:49:23 [mhausenblas]
- hear you then, bye ...
- 16:49:37 [RalphS]
- (we know you mean well, Sean :)
- 16:49:39 [Simone]
- bye
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- benadida has left #swd
- 16:50:40 [RalphS]
- zakim, drop guus
- 16:50:40 [Zakim]
- Guus is being disconnected
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- SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Ralph, TomB, Michael_Hausenblas, Simone, Tom_Baker, JonP, Guus, DLRubin, Alistair, Ben_Adida, +43.512.507.aaaa, Jan, Bernard_Horan, Elisa_Kendall, berrueta, Antoine
- 16:50:52 [mhausenblas]
- simone, still here?