15:47:25 RRSAgent has joined #mwts 15:47:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc 15:47:28 RRSAgent, make log public 15:47:32 Zakim, this will be TS 15:47:32 ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes 15:47:37 Chair: Dom 15:47:41 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0024.html 15:47:50 Regrets: Andrea 15:48:07 Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf 15:48:33 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:48:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html dom 15:50:22 -> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html Minutes of Feb 6th teleconf 15:59:31 till has joined #mwts 15:59:56 dsilaev has joined #mwts 16:00:20 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started 16:00:27 +dom 16:01:09 +Jax 16:01:23 Zakim, Jax is really Till 16:01:23 +Till; got it 16:02:18 +??P27 16:02:29 Zakim, ??P27 is dmitri 16:02:29 +dmitri; got it 16:03:00 Alle1 has joined #mwts 16:04:42 + +1.408.873.aaaa 16:04:53 Zakim, aaaa is Allen 16:04:53 +Allen; got it 16:06:02 ScribeNick: till 16:06:33 no additional agenda items 16:06:33 Topic: Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging 16:07:32 dom: recent release of xhtml mp testsuite 16:08:10 dom: good news, 200+ tests, nice starting point 16:08:30 dom: licensing still to be figured out 16:09:06 dom: volunteering for xhtml mp ts 16:09:36 ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite 16:10:16 ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] 16:10:56 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html Carmelo's testing framework 16:12:06 ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03] 16:12:22 ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] 16:13:08 ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] 16:13:14 ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [DONE] 16:13:41 dom: analysis of css test suite reveals some problems, use of big table 16:14:37 till: my analysis found that the quality of the tests isn't too bad - 60 or 70 /100 as a mark 16:15:04 ... we would have issues with fonts or color effects, e.g. some tests rely on having different fonts faces or sizes that are not always available 16:15:24 ... the float tests rely on wide screens, making some tests invalid on small screens 16:16:03 ... beside the big table, on some cases, there are means to navigate from one test to the other, which is nice 16:16:12 ... the links to spec is sometimes given, but not always 16:16:31 ... also, some tests involve invalid styles (invalid markup too?) 16:16:51 ... what is needed: make the tests consistent altogether, some review and corrections 16:16:56 ... and address coverage 16:18:18 ... We can send a request to the CSS WG to see if they are interested in reviews 16:18:30 ... and ask for cooperation 16:19:24 ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite 16:19:50 dom: who would be interested in reviewing test cases? 16:21:38 ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] 16:21:46 till: of advantage when the test cases provide navigational means 16:22:31 alle1: system as framework for easy generation of test results 16:22:51 dom: interesting 16:23:11 dom: absolutely needed to effective testing 16:24:21 alle1: wrapper to test pages to provide navigation 16:25:05 dom: yes, would make sense, but there is difficulty not to test the actual test 16:25:41 alle1: wrapper available? 16:26:12 ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites 16:26:44 alle1: use of frames/framesets possible? 16:27:04 till: use of frames/framesets should be avoided due to small screen size 16:27:47 dom: everybody please send further ideas to dom and the public mailing list 16:27:48 Topic: Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices 16:28:24 ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [ONGOING] 16:28:55 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0023.html Proposed survey for mobile web developers 16:28:57 dom: proposal for survey sent out 16:29:18 alle1: looks fine 16:29:37 alle1: how would survey outcome effect WG? 16:30:09 dom: many positive replies, do it 16:30:33 dom: few positive replies means a rethinking 16:31:20 dom: ok, will sent the survey to appropriate people and mailing lists 16:32:01 Topic: Roadmap of deliverables 16:32:02 dom: please provide me with further addresses asap, in particular mobile development community 16:32:18 ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with a schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] 16:32:32 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/#goals Roadmap of deliverables 16:33:27 dom: survey period longer as expected 16:33:58 dom: feed-back from internal review already there 16:34:17 internal means group-internal 16:35:30 dom: do we need more ua developers wrt feed-back, what they want, how they would use testsuites 16:36:35 dsilaev: some of our developers might be interested 16:38:40 dom: important work what we already did, reviewing, commenting, etc. 16:38:54 dom: no additional comments on roadmap 16:40:23 dom: concerning framework, maybe the roadmap waas a bit too optimistic 16:41:25 dom: collecting tests, review them, classify them would be our main task 16:42:47 till: yes, postpone some of the items makes sense 16:43:00 dom: agreed 16:43:25 dom: will update the roadmap wrt to some postponed items 16:43:27 Topic: Progress on scheduling next F2F 16:44:45 dom: right now it doesn't make sense to meet 16:45:49 dom: don't have enough material available, and we're not finished with our inital work, like review, etc. 16:47:03 till: do we have to pay attention to summer breaks? 16:47:34 dom: just need to ensure that we have enough participants, and enough work to be discussed 16:47:51 till, alle1,dsilaev: agreed 16:48:12 RESOLUTION: we will schedule our next F2F when the need arises - May F2F cancelled 16:48:24 Topic: Teleconf schedule change notice 16:49:11 dom: daylight saving time problems on different continents 16:49:39 dom: either leave time as it is in us, or leave it for europeans 16:50:54 RESOLUTION: we will meet on the US (8am PT) time on March 13 and 20 16:51:25 dom: other issues? 16:52:43 dsilaev: are there other testsuites of interests? 16:52:57 dom: waiting for feed-back from survey 16:53:36 dom: thank you, then 16:53:37 -dom 16:53:38 -dmitri 16:53:38 -Allen 16:53:41 dsilaev has left #mwts 16:53:43 Alle1 has left #mwts 16:53:45 -Till 16:53:47 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended 16:53:48 Attendees were dom, Till, dmitri, +1.408.873.aaaa, Allen 16:53:54 Thanks till for taking minutes! 16:53:58 np 16:54:03 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:54:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html dom 17:56:15 Zakim, bye 17:56:15 Zakim has left #mwts 17:56:16 RRSAgent, bye 17:56:16 I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-actions.rdf : 17:56:16 ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [1] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-09-36 17:56:16 ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [2] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-10-16 17:56:16 ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [3] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-12-06 17:56:16 ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [4] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-12-22 17:56:16 ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [5] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-13-08 17:56:16 ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [DONE] [6] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-13-14 17:56:16 ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite [7] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-19-24 17:56:16 ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [8] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-21-38 17:56:16 ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [9] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-26-12 17:56:16 ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [ONGOING] [10] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-28-24 17:56:16 ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with a schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] [11] 17:56:16 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-32-18