IRC log of mwts on 2007-02-27
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- RRSAgent, make log public
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- Zakim, this will be TS
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- ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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- Chair: Dom
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0024.html
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- Regrets: Andrea
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- Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html Minutes of Feb 6th teleconf
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- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +dom
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- +Jax
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- Zakim, Jax is really Till
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- +Till; got it
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- +??P27
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- Zakim, ??P27 is dmitri
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- +dmitri; got it
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- + +1.408.873.aaaa
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- Zakim, aaaa is Allen
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- +Allen; got it
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- ScribeNick: till
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- no additional agenda items
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- Topic: Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
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- dom: recent release of xhtml mp testsuite
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- dom: good news, 200+ tests, nice starting point
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- dom: licensing still to be figured out
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- dom: volunteering for xhtml mp ts
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- ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite
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- ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
- 16:10:56 [dom]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html Carmelo's testing framework
- 16:12:06 [dom]
- ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
- 16:12:22 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
- 16:13:08 [dom]
- ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
- 16:13:14 [dom]
- ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
- 16:13:41 [till]
- dom: analysis of css test suite reveals some problems, use of big table
- 16:14:37 [dom]
- till: my analysis found that the quality of the tests isn't too bad - 60 or 70 /100 as a mark
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- ... we would have issues with fonts or color effects, e.g. some tests rely on having different fonts faces or sizes that are not always available
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- ... the float tests rely on wide screens, making some tests invalid on small screens
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- ... beside the big table, on some cases, there are means to navigate from one test to the other, which is nice
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- ... the links to spec is sometimes given, but not always
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- ... also, some tests involve invalid styles (invalid markup too?)
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- ... what is needed: make the tests consistent altogether, some review and corrections
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- ... and address coverage
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- ... We can send a request to the CSS WG to see if they are interested in reviews
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- ... and ask for cooperation
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- ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite
- 16:19:50 [till]
- dom: who would be interested in reviewing test cases?
- 16:21:38 [dom]
- ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
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- till: of advantage when the test cases provide navigational means
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- alle1: system as framework for easy generation of test results
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- dom: interesting
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- dom: absolutely needed to effective testing
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- alle1: wrapper to test pages to provide navigation
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- dom: yes, would make sense, but there is difficulty not to test the actual test
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- alle1: wrapper available?
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- ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites
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- alle1: use of frames/framesets possible?
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- till: use of frames/framesets should be avoided due to small screen size
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- dom: everybody please send further ideas to dom and the public mailing list
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- Topic: Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
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- ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [ONGOING]
- 16:28:55 [dom]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0023.html Proposed survey for mobile web developers
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- dom: proposal for survey sent out
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- alle1: looks fine
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- alle1: how would survey outcome effect WG?
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- dom: many positive replies, do it
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- dom: few positive replies means a rethinking
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- dom: ok, will sent the survey to appropriate people and mailing lists
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- Topic: Roadmap of deliverables
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- dom: please provide me with further addresses asap, in particular mobile development community
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- ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with a schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]
- 16:32:32 [dom]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/#goals Roadmap of deliverables
- 16:33:27 [till]
- dom: survey period longer as expected
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- dom: feed-back from internal review already there
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- internal means group-internal
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- dom: do we need more ua developers wrt feed-back, what they want, how they would use testsuites
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- dsilaev: some of our developers might be interested
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- dom: important work what we already did, reviewing, commenting, etc.
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- dom: no additional comments on roadmap
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- dom: concerning framework, maybe the roadmap waas a bit too optimistic
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- dom: collecting tests, review them, classify them would be our main task
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- till: yes, postpone some of the items makes sense
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- dom: agreed
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- dom: will update the roadmap wrt to some postponed items
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- Topic: Progress on scheduling next F2F
- 16:44:45 [till]
- dom: right now it doesn't make sense to meet
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- dom: don't have enough material available, and we're not finished with our inital work, like review, etc.
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- till: do we have to pay attention to summer breaks?
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- dom: just need to ensure that we have enough participants, and enough work to be discussed
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- till, alle1,dsilaev: agreed
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- RESOLUTION: we will schedule our next F2F when the need arises - May F2F cancelled
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- Topic: Teleconf schedule change notice
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- dom: daylight saving time problems on different continents
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- dom: either leave time as it is in us, or leave it for europeans
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- RESOLUTION: we will meet on the US (8am PT) time on March 13 and 20
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- dom: other issues?
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- dsilaev: are there other testsuites of interests?
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- dom: waiting for feed-back from survey
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- dom: thank you, then
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- -dom
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- -dmitri
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- -Allen
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- -Till
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- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were dom, Till, dmitri, +1.408.873.aaaa, Allen
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- Thanks till for taking minutes!
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- np
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- Zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-09-36
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- ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-10-16
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- ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-12-06
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- ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-12-22
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- ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-13-08
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- ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [DONE] [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-13-14
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- ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite [7]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-19-24
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- ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [8]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-21-38
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- ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [9]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-26-12
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- ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [ONGOING] [10]
- 17:56:16 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-28-24
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- ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with a schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] [11]
- 17:56:16 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc#T16-32-18