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14:26:23 <LeeF> zakim, this will be DAWG
14:26:23 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:26:37 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly
14:27:05 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:27:08 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0101.html
14:27:12 <Zakim> +Elias_Torres
14:27:14 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:27:17 <LeeF> Scribe: EliasT
14:27:23 <EliasT> Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
14:27:23 <Zakim> +EliasT; got it
14:27:42 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
14:27:43 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge is me
14:27:44 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
14:27:55 <LeeF> Agenda + convene
14:27:59 <Zakim> +??P12
14:27:59 <LeeF> agenda + review action items
14:28:02 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:28:02 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:28:12 <LeeF> agenda + test suite
14:28:27 <LeeF> agenda + ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types
14:28:39 <LeeF> agenda + rq25 status and reviews
14:29:01 <SimonR> Andy, found a solid answer: dc:author never existed.  Totally in my imagination.  :)  http://askdcmi.askvrd.org/default.aspx?id=17213&cat=1720
14:29:07 <LeeF> agenda + protocol status
14:29:18 <LeeF> agenda + Road to Last Call
14:29:26 <EliasT> Zakim, mute me
14:29:26 <Zakim> EliasT should now be muted
14:29:51 <LeeF> agenda + unexpected DISTINCT
14:30:51 <EliasT> Zakim, unmute me
14:30:51 <Zakim> EliasT should no longer be muted
14:33:00 <patH> patH has joined #dawg
14:33:22 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:33:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see EliasT, LeeF, AndyS
14:33:29 <LeeF> SimonR, are you calling in?
14:33:50 <LeeF> and iv_an_ru, will you be calling in?
14:34:33 <iv_an_ru> Start without me
14:34:38 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
14:34:43 <SimonR> Trying, Lee.
14:35:01 <SimonR> Feel free to kick off.  I'll wrangle it eventually.
14:35:17 <Zakim> +PatH
14:36:26 <LeeF> Regrets: ericP, Souri
14:37:16 <LeeF> minutes from 13 February: http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-dawg-minutes
14:37:22 <Zakim> +??P1
14:37:33 <SimonR> Zakim, ??P1 is me
14:37:33 <Zakim> +SimonR; got it
14:38:31 <EliasT> AndyS: seconds minutes from Feb 13
14:39:24 <iv_an_ru> zakim, code?
14:39:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), iv_an_ru
14:39:52 <SimonR> I'll scribe next week.
14:40:34 <LeeF> meet next Mar 6, SimonR to scribe
14:40:38 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:40:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review action items" taken up [from LeeF]
14:40:52 <LeeF> ACTION: Elias to add wording for PROPOSED: ed(The SPARLQ Protocol does not  derefrence query URIs so 5.1.3 does not apply. Per 5.1.4, services must  define their own base URI, which may be the service invocation URI.)
14:41:00 <LeeF> DONE
14:41:09 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query [DONE]
14:41:21 <EliasT> Zakim, list present
14:41:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list present', EliasT
14:41:29 <EliasT> Zakim, list attendees
14:41:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been EliasT, LeeF, AndyS, Orri_Erling, PatH, SimonR
14:41:48 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES]
14:41:54 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES]
14:42:00 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put  [CONTINUES]
14:42:10 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:42:10 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types" taken up [from LeeF]
14:42:35 <LeeF> Eric's suggestion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0111.html
14:42:41 <LeeF> Andy's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0118.html
14:43:17 <LeeF> original comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Feb/0005.html
14:43:28 <AndyS> Original : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Feb/0005.html
14:44:22 <LeeF> Andy's summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0098.html
14:45:02 <SimonR> The only comment I have is that I vaguely thought that language codes were not case sensitive.  The list traffic I read gave me the impression we weren't stripping case before doing comparisons.
14:45:17 <LeeF> Andy: The text currently says you can't use extended definition of < to do ORDERing, which I take as a bug
14:45:27 <LeeF> Andy: We can't define a total ordering
14:45:57 <LeeF> SimonR, language codes are case insensitive, according to RDF Concepts
14:46:34 <SimonR> LeeF, I'm surprised and newly enlightened!
14:47:43 <EliasT> AndyS: SPARQL doesn't support language tags
14:47:53 <EliasT> AndyS: I think we should support language tags in the spec
14:48:23 <EliasT> SimonR: I think we should. If we don't, we'll get hell from i18n.
14:48:41 <SimonR> (That was Pat, not me.)
14:48:45 <patH> that was patH
14:49:01 <patH> we brits al sound alike.
14:50:08 <AndyS> @en-uk
14:50:42 <EliasT> LeeF: Unless there's a proposal that we revisit language tags support, we should discuss extensions and less-than only.
14:50:56 <Zakim> +EricP
14:51:11 <EliasT> AndyS: We do date, but would like datetime.
14:51:19 <EliasT> Zakim, mute ericP
14:51:19 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
14:51:44 <EliasT> Zakim, unmute ericP
14:51:44 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
14:53:23 <AndyS> Mute is 61# / unmute is 61#
14:53:39 <LeeF> zakim, who's talking?
14:53:39 <EliasT> AndyS: We do datetime, but would like date support.
14:53:51 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: PatH (28%), EricP (64%), AndyS (14%)
14:54:24 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
14:54:24 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
14:56:12 <EliasT> LeeF: does anybody have any thoughts on making it explicit on the text that implementations of extensions that extend less than can affect the order of solutions?
14:56:38 <EliasT> PatH: No strong feeling. Pitty we can't follow some precedence.
14:57:00 <EliasT> Orri: We inherit the SQL ordering.
14:57:35 <EliasT> SimonR: We support LIMIT/OFFSET so we need to provide a stable ordering support.
14:58:53 <AndyS> "001"^^xsd:integer and "01"^^xsd:int
14:59:20 <EliasT> LeeF: Given AndyS and ericP's comments + the community feedback, convinces me that we need to allow for implementation to extend ordering in the less-than operator. Although this could result in less interoperability in our spec in regards to ordering.
14:59:37 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
14:59:37 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
14:59:57 <SimonR> q+
15:00:11 <EliasT> ericP: The main risk we run is that a new implementation will affect somebody's expected slicing.
15:00:33 <LeeF> ack SimonR
15:00:57 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
15:00:57 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:02:20 <EliasT> SimonR: In order to solve this problem for real, we need to have a separate protocol that holds on to the answers in order for you to obtain correct slices from it.
15:02:41 <Zakim> -EricP
15:02:42 <EliasT> Orri_Erling: We can inherit a scrollable cursor from SQL.
15:03:19 <LeeF> PROPOSED: ORDER BY comparisons respect extended implementations of < that operate on types beyond what's given in the operator table
15:03:33 <EliasT> SimonR: Mulgara supports a holding-results set.
15:03:43 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:03:43 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ericP
15:04:05 <EliasT> AndyS: Seconds it.
15:04:33 <EliasT> SimonR: Is < the only operator that gets extended in this way?
15:04:52 <EliasT> AndyS: We only use one operator to build the table.
15:05:11 <EliasT> patH: what is R.E.S.P.E.C.T?
15:05:12 <Zakim> +EricP
15:05:38 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
15:05:38 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:05:49 <LeeF> PROPOSED: ORDER BY comparisons may use extended implementations of < that operate on types beyond what's given in the operator table
15:06:12 <LeeF> so RESOLVED.
15:06:20 <SimonR> Would extended versions of equality (particularly for datatype processing, affect DISTINCT?
15:06:43 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:06:43 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
15:06:48 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
15:06:48 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:06:51 <AndyS> DISTINCT is term distinct, not value distinct.
15:07:12 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to add text to spec noting that ORDER BY comparisons may use extended implementations of < that operate on types beyond what's given in the operator table
15:08:33 <LeeF> zakim, agenda?
15:08:33 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:08:34 <Zakim> 1. convene [from LeeF]
15:08:35 <Zakim> 2. review action items [from LeeF]
15:08:36 <Zakim> 3. test suite [from LeeF]
15:08:37 <Zakim> 4. ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types [from LeeF]
15:08:38 <Zakim> 5. rq25 status and reviews [from LeeF]
15:08:40 <Zakim> 6. protocol status [from LeeF]
15:08:42 <Zakim> 7. Road to Last Call [from LeeF]
15:08:44 <Zakim> 8. unexpected DISTINCT [from LeeF]
15:08:59 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:08:59 <Zakim> agendum 8. "unexpected DISTINCT" taken up [from LeeF]
15:09:16 <EliasT> agenda- 1
15:09:18 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Feb/0014.html
15:10:10 <EliasT> Zakim, agenda 1 convene
15:10:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda 1 convene', EliasT
15:10:13 <EliasT> Zakim, agenda 1 = convene
15:10:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 replaced
15:10:29 <LeeF> test case: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#modifer-limit
15:10:35 <EliasT> Zakim, close agendum 1
15:10:35 <Zakim> agendum 1, convene, closed
15:10:36 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:10:38 <Zakim> 2. review action items [from LeeF]
15:10:41 <EliasT> Zakim, close agendum 2
15:10:41 <Zakim> agendum 2, review action items, closed
15:10:42 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:10:42 <EliasT> Zakim, close agendum 3
15:10:43 <Zakim> 3. test suite [from LeeF]
15:10:45 <Zakim> agendum 3, test suite, closed
15:10:47 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:10:48 <Zakim> 4. ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types [from LeeF]
15:11:17 <EliasT> Zakim,  take up agendum 4
15:11:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types" taken up [from LeeF]
15:15:15 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:15:15 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
15:15:38 <LeeF> ericP: Fred is in favor of explicitly NOT having auto distinct
15:16:01 <EliasT> ericP: If people really wanted that, we could add a keyword, but only until someone proposes.
15:16:05 <EliasT> ericP: I'm with Fred.
15:16:08 <LeeF> zkim, mute ericP
15:16:13 <EliasT> Zakim, mute ericP
15:16:13 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:16:46 <SimonR> q+
15:16:52 <LeeF> ack SimonR
15:17:03 <LeeF> SimonR: Mulgara always does auto distinct
15:19:44 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to talk to SteveH and JeenB about auto distinct behavior in implementations
15:20:42 <LeeF> zakim, agenda?
15:20:42 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:20:43 <Zakim> 4. ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types [from LeeF]
15:20:44 <Zakim> 5. rq25 status and reviews [from LeeF]
15:20:46 <Zakim> 6. protocol status [from LeeF]
15:20:47 <Zakim> 7. Road to Last Call [from LeeF]
15:20:48 <Zakim> 8. unexpected DISTINCT [from LeeF]
15:20:55 <LeeF> zakim, close agendum 8
15:20:55 <Zakim> agendum 8, unexpected DISTINCT, closed
15:20:56 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:20:57 <Zakim> 4. ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types [from LeeF]
15:20:59 <LeeF> zakim, close agendum 4
15:20:59 <Zakim> agendum 4, ORDER BY, language tags, and unknown types, closed
15:21:01 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:21:02 <Zakim> 5. rq25 status and reviews [from LeeF]
15:23:10 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:23:10 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
15:23:16 <EliasT> Zakim, close agendum 5
15:23:16 <Zakim> agendum 5, rq25 status and reviews, closed
15:23:17 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:23:19 <Zakim> 6. protocol status [from LeeF]
15:23:26 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
15:23:28 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:23:34 <EliasT> Zakim, take up agendum 6
15:23:34 <Zakim> agendum 6. "protocol status" taken up [from LeeF]
15:31:07 <EliasT> LeeF: Does anybody have anything invested in posting SPARQL queries?
15:31:10 <LeeF> zakim, what's the phone?
15:31:10 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LeeF.
15:31:15 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:31:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see EliasT, LeeF, AndyS, Orri_Erling, PatH, SimonR, EricP (muted)
15:31:51 <EliasT> AndyS: Joseki can POST a plain query. It doesn't have to be in the specification.
15:32:48 <EliasT> Orri_Erling: For our purposes it's ok as it is.
15:33:09 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:33:09 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
15:33:32 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
15:33:32 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:33:32 <EliasT> ericP: I don't care.
15:36:19 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF or EliasT to reply to Bjoern regarding (not) POSTing application/sparql-query documents
15:36:24 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:36:24 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
15:36:33 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP
15:36:33 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:36:44 <LeeF> zakim, agenda?
15:36:44 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
15:36:45 <Zakim> 6. protocol status [from LeeF]
15:36:47 <Zakim> 7. Road to Last Call [from LeeF]
15:36:58 <EliasT> Zakim, close agendum 6
15:36:58 <Zakim> agendum 6, protocol status, closed
15:37:00 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:37:01 <Zakim> 7. Road to Last Call [from LeeF]
15:38:12 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP
15:38:12 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted
15:38:28 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
15:38:28 <EliasT> ADJOURNED
15:38:29 <Zakim> -EricP
15:38:29 <Zakim> -PatH
15:38:33 <EliasT> RRSAgent, please draft the minutes
15:38:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-dawg-minutes.html EliasT
15:38:35 <Zakim> -SimonR
15:38:54 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:38:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see EliasT, LeeF, AndyS
15:39:01 <EliasT> RRSAgent, please make logs world-visible
15:40:41 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:40:44 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:40:50 <Zakim> -EliasT
15:40:51 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:40:52 <Zakim> Attendees were EliasT, LeeF, AndyS, Orri_Erling, PatH, SimonR, EricP
16:40:49 <iv_an_ru> http://www.absentis.front.ru/abs/lsd_01_preface.htm
16:41:04 <iv_an_ru> Sorry, wrong channel