15:57:16 RRSAgent has joined #swd 15:57:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc 15:57:20 Meeting: SWD WG 15:57:32 Chair: Guus 15:57:39 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0125.html 15:57:44 -> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-swd-minutes.html Previous 2007-02-13 15:57:49 zakim, who's on the call? 15:57:49 On the phone I see TomB 15:58:05 rrsagent, please make record public 15:58:21 +??P3 15:58:29 +Ralph 15:58:40 dlrubin has joined #swd 15:58:49 zakim, ??p3 is Daniel 15:58:49 +Daniel; got it 15:59:03 Regrets: Diego, Michael, Elisa, Bernard 15:59:38 Antoine has joined #swd 16:00:35 JonP has joined #swd 16:00:48 Zakim, passcode? 16:00:48 the conference code is 79394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone 16:01:08 +[VrijeUni] 16:01:32 +Jon_Phipps 16:01:33 zakim, vrijeuni is Guus 16:01:34 +Guus; got it 16:01:46 +??P16 16:01:53 +Guus.a 16:02:06 zakim, guus.a is Antoine 16:02:06 +Antoine; got it 16:02:20 Zakim who's online? 16:02:27 Zakim, who's online? 16:02:27 I don't understand your question, Simone. 16:02:35 zakim, ??p16 is probably Simone 16:02:36 +Simone?; got it 16:02:42 Guus has joined #swd 16:02:50 zakim, Jon_Phipps is me 16:02:50 +JonP; got it 16:03:32 -Simone? 16:04:18 +[IPcaller] 16:04:28 Zakim, +[IPcaller] is Simone 16:04:28 sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]' 16:04:47 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Simone 16:04:47 +Simone; got it 16:05:46 zakim, who is here? 16:05:46 On the phone I see TomB, Daniel, Ralph, Guus, JonP, Antoine, Simone 16:05:47 On IRC I see Guus, JonP, Antoine, RRSAgent, TomB, Simone, Zakim, RalphS 16:06:14 aliman has joined #swd 16:06:42 benadida has joined #SWD 16:06:53 +Ben_Adida 16:06:56 ben, can you scribe? 16:07:40 +??P1 16:07:47 zakim, ??p1 is Alistair 16:07:47 +Alistair; got it 16:07:49 -TomB 16:07:52 Scribe: Ben 16:07:57 scribenick: benadida 16:08:08 TomB has joined #swd 16:08:32 +[IPcaller] 16:09:02 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty Scribe duty 16:09:44 propose to accept minutes 16:10:00 ACCEPTED 16:10:17 topic: SKOS 16:10:23 Topic: SKOS 16:10:44 Guus: Antoine, you sent mail about capturing relationships between labels 16:11:25 zakim, who is talking? 16:11:37 benadida, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 16:11:49 antoine: we have a basis for discussion now 16:11:54 dlrubin has joined #swd 16:12:32 ACTION: Guus to check that this issue of more specialization than broad/narrow is on the issues list [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:12:32 [DONE] ACTION: Guus to check that this issue of more specialization than broad/narrow is on the issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:12:35 --DONE 16:12:50 Zakim, mute me 16:12:50 Simone should now be muted 16:14:02 [scribe missed some comments by Antoine] 16:14:06 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0135.html ACTION SKOS specialization [Guus 2007-02-20] 16:14:21 ACTION: Guus to check with Veronique on the terms being outside the iso standard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action07] 16:14:24 --DROPPED 16:14:29 ACTION: Antoine to check with Veronique on the terms being outside the iso standard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action07] 16:15:00 ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] 16:15:02 --CONTINUES 16:15:10 ACTION: Alan write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01] 16:15:12 --CONTINUES 16:15:55 ACTION: Alistair to rephrase the old issue of skos/owl-dl coexistence and semantics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action08] 16:15:57 -- continues 16:16:13 ACTION: guus to pick a SKOS issue and open it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-swd-minutes.html#action13] 16:16:16 --DONE 16:16:52 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox 16:16:58 SKOS issues list 16:17:22 Guus: let's take a look at the current set of issues 16:17:31 Ralph: the sandbox is "pre-acceptance" stage. 16:17:41 ... we should change the title of the sandbox page. 16:18:17 Guus: let's take issues from the sandbox list as an example of the issue process. 16:18:35 Antoine: should we have the official list in the issue tracker? 16:18:46 Ralph: not what I heard. 16:19:22 ... I'm confused as to which of these two pages are which. 16:19:25 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssues 16:19:26 Alistair: confused too 16:20:24 [I've just retitled http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox 16:20:51 [scribe is still confused about the status] 16:21:10 Guus: under the impression that we would move this to a real issues page and remove the link 16:21:26 Alistair: did we agree to use the wiki for SKOS issues, or tracker? 16:21:37 ... i was under impression that it would be the wiki 16:22:01 Ralph: Jon had an action? 16:22:06 Jon: yes, regarding recipes, they are on tracker 16:22:30 ... I preferred the tracker, esp. regarding internal linking and references 16:22:35 q+ to point out the overlap between http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/IssuesProcess and http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssues 16:22:48 Guus: someone has to take the action to move the sandbox issues to tracker 16:22:55 Ralph: in the meantime, let's use the sandbox, where the content is 16:23:11 TomB, you wanted to point out the overlap between http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/IssuesProcess and http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssues 16:23:29 TomB: another doc on the wiki called IssuesProcess, overlap with SkosIssues 16:23:52 ... one way to proceed is to compare those two 16:24:08 ... if they're the same, move sandbox to SkosIssues 16:24:30 ... overlap is confusing, we should consolidate 16:24:38 ... one process doc, one issues doc 16:25:24 Guus: let's take an issue, open it, and propose a solution 16:25:34 ... http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox#head-89dba8974eaba1e2a1253cee178d3f4b6cf5edea 16:26:53 ... also http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosIssuesSandbox#head-0e457cb9f0b2bf56983b8e4c8ffaa8c08936be46 16:27:24 ... happy to take over this action from you and propose a resolution 16:27:28 s/you/Antoine/ 16:27:51 Guus: propose to own this issue (from 1.3.4) and propose a resolution 16:28:03 ACTION: antoine to capture the issue on capturing relationships between labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04] 16:28:08 --DROPPED 16:28:13 ACTION: Guus to capture the issue on capturing relationships between labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04] 16:28:49 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0124.html [SKOS] relationships between labels [Antoine 2007-02-19] 16:29:48 ACTION: Guus to propose a resolution to relationships between labels by next week 16:30:23 [I think we previously recorded Antoine's action as DONE. Guus has a new action to propose a resolution to issue SKOS-I-RelationshipsBetweenLabels ] 16:30:36 [oh, whoops] 16:30:54 action -9 16:31:32 [scribe is lost... if someone can fill in] 16:31:54 q? 16:32:17 Antoine: introduce a new annotation class, "link annotation", instances of this class related to literals that stand for labels we want to link 16:33:13 First solution: Term-as-class 16:33:13 q+ to ask for a link to a Use Case for SKOS-I-AnnotationOnLabel 16:33:20 Second solution: link as annotation based on n-ary relation pattern 16:33:25 ... other solution is to create a new term class, that would represent the current concept labels as resources 16:33:47 RalphS, you wanted to ask for a link to a Use Case for SKOS-I-AnnotationOnLabel 16:34:00 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels use cases referenced within 16:34:57 Guus: maybe we should move to the issue tracker 16:35:11 Ralph: Antoine has been updating the issues sandbox page 16:35:43 ... the wiki record suggests that Antoine is the primary updater for the issues sandbox 16:35:49 ... model in mind for tracking the issues? 16:35:54 Antoine: not really, just a sandbox 16:36:08 Guus: any objections to tracker? 16:36:33 Ralph: Antoine did a lot of work for the sandbox page 16:36:54 Guus: can be done over next month 16:37:07 Alistair: we can split the work between Jon, Antoine, and me 16:37:20 Ralph: at what point do issues go into the tracker 16:37:39 ... several things in the sandbox marked "raised" 16:37:50 Guus: for now, only open issues in tracker. Raised one later. 16:38:06 Ralph: so there is a purpose for the sandbox 16:39:02 where is the issue tracker stuff? 16:39:15 Guus: yes, raised issues in sandbox, then moved to tracker for "open issues" 16:40:10 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/open Tracker 16:41:13 q+ to ask about working of tracker 16:41:43 Ralph: intent is owner of the issue takes an action on the issue 16:42:06 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/26 16:43:23 Guus: use case document? 16:43:29 q- 16:43:37 q+ to ask about new use cases 16:43:42 Antoine: Some discussion between Daniel (?) Jon and me about restricting use cases. 16:44:01 ... agreed to limit to core use cases that fulfill requirements listed 16:44:25 ... in the document, pointer to wiki and one-liner mentioning existence of use case 16:44:56 ... 8 or 9 summaries in the use cases, matches what Guus said two weeks ago 16:45:37 Guus: check schedule feasibility next week 16:45:45 aliman, you wanted to ask about new use cases 16:45:58 Alistair: will mention it later 16:46:00 Topic: Recipes 16:46:14 ACTION: Jon to update Recipe issue list as per dropping of 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11] 16:46:15 --DONE 16:46:25 ACTION: Jon to update Recipe issue list as per resolution of issue 1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10] 16:46:27 --DONE 16:46:41 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 16:46:43 --CONTINUES 16:49:04 Guus: as Jon did his actions, assuming there was a resolution, but apparently not. Sorry, misinterpreted. 16:49:29 Jon: there was an action on me to mark this as resolved and make changes to doc. 16:49:46 ... issue resolved but not closed. Marked it as closed, but noted an action to change doc. 16:49:53 ... when action is complete, work is complete. 16:50:13 ... lack of additional status in tracker is a limitation 16:50:46 [note I have to run at noon sharp, as I'm traveling in a few hours] 16:52:11 (discussion of tracker features and status of issues) 16:52:27 q+ to ask about issue process 16:52:40 aliman, you wanted to ask about issue process 16:52:50 Alistair: we've got this issues process page on the wiki 16:53:16 ... nice if someone could take an action to reconcile the issues process page with the tool and actual process 16:53:50 ACTION: Ralph write a proposal for bringing http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/IssuesProcess and Tracker into alignment 16:54:20 Topic: vocabulary management 16:54:31 ACTION: Elisa to summarize state of Vocabulary Management draft, add comments, and coordinate work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06] 16:54:33 -- CONTINUES 16:54:59 ACTION: Guus to contact persons working on versioning in Knowledge Web for Vocabulary Management draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action05] 16:55:00 --DONE 16:55:04 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0137.html Vocabulary maintenance: WP 2.3 and W3C Semantic Web Deployment [Guus 2007-02-20] 16:55:17 scribenick: Ralphs 16:55:19 Topic: RDFa 16:55:30 [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to ask Ben to request a review for RDFa primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-swd-minutes.html#action20] 16:55:55 Ben: I think I already requested that review and the reviews were done before the face-to-face 16:56:08 ... I can ask for another set of reviews if the WG wants, but I'd like to publish soon 16:56:18 Guus: there were a number of comments on the Use Case document 16:56:36 Ben: yes, Use Cases will wait -- I'm focussing on Primer for now 16:56:57 Guus: I'd like to see mail saying how you've responded to the review comments 16:57:11 ... and propose a decision to publish 16:57:21 ... same for Use Case document when it's ready 16:57:47 ... if there are significant changes you may wish to ask for additional comments from the reviewers before proposing to publish 16:58:10 Ben: the request for additional comments on Use Cases may happen this week as there have been significant changes 16:58:24 -Daniel 16:58:24 ... we're moving quickly on test cases; Michael and Wing are making good progress 16:58:35 ... we're also very close to having a first draft of XHTML 1.1 module 16:58:44 ... which means we'll soon have a path to validating RDFa in XHTML1.1 16:59:06 ACTION: Guus to flag the issue of RDFa REC track on the coordination group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:59:08 -- continues 16:59:13 face-to-face? 16:59:21 Topic: Semantic Integration Note 16:59:23 ACTION: Elisa to contact Daniel for participating in Semantic Integration note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-swd-minutes.html#action18] 16:59:26 -- CONTINUES 16:59:30 ACTION: Elisa to contact Daniel for participating in Semantic Integration note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-swd-minutes.html#action18] 16:59:35 action -19 17:00:01 Topic: Face-to-face 17:00:02 [thanks!] 17:00:14 Tom: if we're going to have another face-to-face in June we should start now looking at dates 17:00:37 ACTION: Tom propose some dates for next face-to-face, looking at June 17:00:49 Guus: I may be able to host in Amsterdam 17:00:54 [adjourned] 17:00:58 -Ben_Adida 17:00:59 -Guus 17:01:09 -TomB 17:01:14 -Alistair 17:01:15 -JonP 17:01:19 -Antoine 17:01:20 -Ralph 17:01:33 -Simone 17:01:34 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended 17:01:35 Attendees were TomB, Ralph, Daniel, Guus, Antoine, Simone?, JonP, Simone, Ben_Adida, Alistair 17:03:00 rrsagent, please draft minutes 17:03:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html RalphS 17:03:13 zakim, bye 17:03:13 Zakim has left #swd 17:04:51 [DONE] ACTION: Antoine to capture the issue on capturing relationships between labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04] 17:05:33 dlrubin has left #swd 17:06:38 rrsagent, please draft minutes 17:06:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-minutes.html RalphS 17:07:20 Antoine has left #swd 17:07:22 rrsagent, bye 17:07:22 I see 18 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-actions.rdf : 17:07:22 ACTION: Guus to check that this issue of more specialization than broad/narrow is on the issues list [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03] [1] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-12-32 17:07:22 ACTION: Guus to check with Veronique on the terms being outside the iso standard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action07] [2] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-14-21 17:07:22 ACTION: Antoine to check with Veronique on the terms being outside the iso standard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action07] [3] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-14-29 17:07:22 ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [4] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-15-00 17:07:22 ACTION: Alan write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01] [5] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-15-10 17:07:22 ACTION: Alistair to rephrase the old issue of skos/owl-dl coexistence and semantics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action08] [6] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-15-55 17:07:22 ACTION: guus to pick a SKOS issue and open it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-swd-minutes.html#action13] [7] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-16-13 17:07:22 ACTION: antoine to capture the issue on capturing relationships between labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action04] [8] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-28-03 17:07:22 ACTION: Guus to propose a resolution to relationships between labels by next week [10] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-29-48 17:07:22 ACTION: Jon to update Recipe issue list as per dropping of 1.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11] [11] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-46-14 17:07:22 ACTION: Jon to update Recipe issue list as per resolution of issue 1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10] [12] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-46-25 17:07:22 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [13] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-46-41 17:07:22 ACTION: Ralph write a proposal for bringing http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/IssuesProcess and Tracker into alignment [14] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-53-50 17:07:22 ACTION: Elisa to summarize state of Vocabulary Management draft, add comments, and coordinate work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06] [15] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-54-31 17:07:22 ACTION: Guus to contact persons working on versioning in Knowledge Web for Vocabulary Management draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action05] [16] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-54-59 17:07:22 ACTION: Guus to flag the issue of RDFa REC track on the coordination group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action03] [17] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-59-06 17:07:22 ACTION: Elisa to contact Daniel for participating in Semantic Integration note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-swd-minutes.html#action18] [18] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T16-59-23 17:07:22 ACTION: Tom propose some dates for next face-to-face, looking at June [20] 17:07:22 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-swd-irc#T17-00-37