IRC log of rif on 2007-02-20
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- sandro, if you're there I don't know how to invite the tracker bot
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- zakim, this will be rif
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- ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes
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- Meeting: RIF Telecon 20 Feb 07
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- Chair: Christian de Sainte-Marie
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0070.html
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- ChrisW has changed the topic to: 20 Feb RIF agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0070.html
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- agenda+ Admin
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- agenda+ F2F
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- agenda+ Liason
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- agenda+ Technical Design
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- agenda+ USR
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- agenda- USR
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- zakim, delete agendum 5
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- agendum 5, USR, dropped
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- agenda+ UCR
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- zakim, list agenda
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
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- 2. F2F [from ChrisW]
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- 3. Liason [from ChrisW]
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- 4. Technical Design [from ChrisW]
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- 6. UCR [from ChrisW]
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- agendum 5 = UCR
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- agendum 6 =
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- agendum 6 = RIFRAF
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- agendum 7 = AOB
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- agenda+ AOB
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- zakim, list agenda
- 15:25:47 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
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- 2. F2F [from ChrisW]
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- 3. Liason [from ChrisW]
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- 4. Technical Design [from ChrisW]
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- 5. UCR
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- 6. RIFRAF
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- 7. AOB [from ChrisW]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- MoZ, will you be able to scribe, today?
- 15:53:45 [MoZ]
- sorry csma, i will only be present by IRC today too
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- ok
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- xsl is very active for the moment
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- :(
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- SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P0
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- +[NRCC]
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- zakim, ??P0 is me
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- +csma; got it
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- zakim, [NRCC] is me.
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- +Harold; got it
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- +[TU-Cottbus]
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- zakim [TU-Cottbus] is agiurca
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- need a comma, adrian
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- +Dave_Reynolds (was Guest P10 74394)
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- zakim, [TU-Cottbus] is agiurca
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- +agiurca; got it
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- +Dave_Reynolds
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- +Leora_Morgenstern
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- zakim, mute me
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- agiurca should now be muted
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- zakim, mute me
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- Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
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- +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
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- +[IBM]
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- zakim, ibm is temporarily me
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- +ChrisW; got it
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- +josb
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- + +0208202aaaa
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see csma, Harold, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, josb, +0208202aaaa
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- zakim, +0208202aaaa is me
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- +AlexKozlenkov; got it
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- +Mike_Dean
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- zakim, mute me
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- AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
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- +Sandro
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- +[LMU]
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- +Axel_Polleres
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- I won't be there.
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- I can
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- scribenick AxelPolleres
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- /me Zakim, mute me
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- +Allen_Ginsberg
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- did we invite rrsagent?
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- action-224 continued
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- ACTION 224 [continued]
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- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-irc#T16-05-11
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
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- topic: admin
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- RESOLVED: Approved minutes of Feb 13 telecon
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- zakim, mute me
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- Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
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- csma: minutes from last time approved.
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "F2F" taken up [from ChrisW]
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
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- ... no agenda amendments.
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- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Admin, closed
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. F2F [from ChrisW]
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- topic: F2F
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- csma: action review.
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- ACTION 229 [done]
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see csma, Harold, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, josb (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), Mike_Dean, Sandro,
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- ... PaulaP (muted), Axel_Polleres, Allen_Ginsberg, PaulVincent
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- On IRC I see AllenGinsberg, PaulVincent, josb, AxelPolleres, mdean, Hassan, LeoraMorgenstern, DaveReynolds, agiurca, PaulaP, AlexKozlenkov, Harold, csma, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW,
- 16:07:26 [Zakim]
- ... MoZ, sandro
- 16:07:30 [AxelPolleres]
- allen: detailed venue information now available on the wiki.
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- Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/
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- csma: list of required reading now available. All be sure to read it!
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- +Gary_Hallmark
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- allen: please all register! if you haven't yet registered, mail allen!
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- + +1.203.539.aabb
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- s/registered,/reigstered for F2F,/
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:09:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see csma, Harold, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, josb (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), Mike_Dean, Sandro,
- 16:09:38 [Zakim]
- ... PaulaP (muted), Axel_Polleres, Allen_Ginsberg, PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, +1.203.539.aabb
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- /me Zakim, mute me
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- +[IPcaller]
- 16:10:17 [johnhall]
- zakim, ipcaller is me
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- +johnhall; got it
- 16:10:32 [AxelPolleres]
- topic: Liasson
- 16:10:32 [PaulVincent]
- PRR: no news
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- zakim, mute me
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- johnhall should now be muted
- 16:10:48 [AxelPolleres]
- Paul: no news from PRR
- 16:11:03 [AxelPolleres]
- (who is speaking?)
- 16:11:17 [AxelPolleres]
- said: reports on XBRL.
- 16:11:42 [johnhall]
- no change for SBVR
- 16:11:54 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: a report from said on XBRL could be interesting in the demo part of f2f.
- 16:12:05 [PaulVincent]
- XBRL report: good idea
- 16:12:23 [AxelPolleres]
- ... as an exmple of an industry vocabulary that could be bound to RIF.
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- said/csma will resolve this offline.
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- topic: technical design
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- action: Christian to organize XBRL discussion with Said
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- Created ACTION-230 - Organize XBRL discussion with Said [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2007-02-27].
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- +Deborah_Nichols
- 16:13:41 [AxelPolleres]
- ACTION 225 [done]
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- ACTION 226 [done]
- 16:14:27 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: review comments to technical design from various people.
- 16:15:00 [AxelPolleres]
- ... which ones can be easily resolved, which ones require discussion at f2f?
- 16:15:19 [AxelPolleres]
- ... When will we have a frozen version of Core for the f2f?
- 16:15:32 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: start wih jos' review.
- 16:15:39 [josb]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0027.html
- 16:15:56 [Harold]
- Diff of Positive Conditions since last Tuesday: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Core/Positive_Conditions?action=diff&rev2=82&rev1=30
- 16:16:22 [Harold]
- Diff of Horn Rules since last Tuesday: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Core/Horn_Rules?action=diff&rev2=26&rev1=17
- 16:16:53 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: more separation between discussion part and spec.
- 16:17:11 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: separation now clearer by color codes.
- 16:17:59 [AxelPolleres]
- Is the color coding explained in the Document????
- 16:19:20 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: introduction to be refined.
- 16:19:30 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: done.
- 16:19:46 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: connection with the web is not really there yet.
- 16:19:59 [josb]
- I agreed with Michael that such a thing should probably be in some architecture document
- 16:20:07 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: apaert from sorts, webizing still to be done.
- 16:20:34 [josb]
- s/such a thing/the connection to the web/
- 16:20:37 [AxelPolleres]
- s/apaert/apart
- 16:21:05 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: webizing will be stalled for after WD1.
- 16:21:33 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: any objections?
- 16:21:47 [AxelPolleres]
- RESOLUTION: webizing will be stalled for after WD1.
- 16:21:57 [Harold]
- The Overview already prominently mentions that more webizing will be done later.
- 16:22:02 [ChrisW]
- RESOLVED: webizing the RIF CORE will not be part of first WD
- 16:22:04 [Harold]
- Currently: sorts.
- 16:22:14 [josb]
- it should be stated, though, that it will be addressed in the next version
- 16:22:30 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: discussion items in jos review.
- 16:22:37 [josb]
- q+
- 16:22:49 [csma]
- ACK JOSB
- 16:23:02 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions" propose to discuss this in f2f.
- 16:23:14 [AxelPolleres]
- jos: this had already been discussed in the WG.
- 16:23:54 [AxelPolleres]
- ACTION: csma to check whether "1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions" is already resolved.
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - csma
- 16:24:22 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "2- the document seems to commit to four RIF dialects"
- 16:24:28 [ChrisW]
- ACTION: Christian to check whether "1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions" is already resolved
- 16:24:28 [rifbot]
- Created ACTION-231 - Check whether \"1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions\" is already resolved [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2007-02-27].
- 16:24:37 [AxelPolleres]
- ... seems this needs to be modified/weakened.
- 16:25:19 [ChrisW]
- action: harold to modify WD so that there are no committments to specific dialects
- 16:25:19 [rifbot]
- Created ACTION-232 - Modify WD so that there are no committments to specific dialects [on Harold Boley - due 2007-02-27].
- 16:25:47 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "3- core syntax: I am not sure what the merit is of [...] anonymous variable"
- 16:26:10 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: marked this green in the document, it will be discussed during F2F.
- 16:26:33 [josb]
- q+
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- csma: "4- syntax: [...] URIs more prominent"
- 16:26:42 [csma]
- ack josb
- 16:26:54 [AxelPolleres]
- ... this is another facet of the resolution we had before.
- 16:27:42 [AxelPolleres]
- jos: it seems it is already partly sorted out with the _uri sort.
- 16:28:06 [josb]
- +1
- 16:28:07 [DaveReynolds]
- q+
- 16:28:15 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "5- syntax: [...] semantic web [...]"
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- ack dave
- 16:28:32 [AxelPolleres]
- ... this seems also be part of the webizing discussion.
- 16:29:05 [AxelPolleres]
- Dave: seems to be worthwhile discussing at F2F.
- 16:29:32 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: we will discuss OWL and RDF compatiblity at f2f.
- 16:30:01 [Harold]
- "hello world"^^xsd:string was in a draft before, but for LL(k) parsability was syntactically rewritten as _xsd:string"hello world".
- 16:30:27 [AxelPolleres]
- ... main objective of f2f will be finalizing WD1. Any discussions of further webizing will not be the focus.
- 16:30:48 [AxelPolleres]
- Dave: seems some webizing is in for wd1, other no.
- 16:31:45 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: anything which we can tidy up for WD1 is ok to be discussed in F2F.
- 16:32:35 [AxelPolleres]
- (what is the conclusion here???)
- 16:32:51 [ChrisW]
- Clarification of Resolution on Webizing: We will include discussion on "cleaning up" the current WD wrt what it already says about "webizing"
- 16:33:00 [Harold]
- Mike, webizing was in a draft before (http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/A.1.1_Basis%3A_Positive_Conditions_over_Bipartitioned_Constants), but was then handled via sorts.
- 16:33:50 [Harold]
- E.g. <Ind iri="http://www.w3.org"/>
- 16:34:36 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: next comment "XML datatypes"
- 16:34:41 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: done.
- 16:34:42 [agiurca]
- Why xs:anyURI si not there too?
- 16:35:22 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "6- section 1: it is not entirely clear to me what is meant with a "
- 16:35:25 [AxelPolleres]
- "fragment" of a dialect. "
- 16:35:40 [josb]
- q+
- 16:35:49 [csma]
- ack josb
- 16:36:18 [AxelPolleres]
- jos: not necessarily all comments need to be discussed here.
- 16:36:47 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: we want this all agreed before WD1.
- 16:37:15 [Harold]
- Maybe "fragment" is relative to a larger language, whereas "dialect" is neutral wrt specializing or generalizing another language, so I would prefer this more broad term.
- 16:38:07 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: " "6- section 1: " dialect vs. fragment will be resolved at f2f.
- 16:39:24 [josb]
- I agree with Harold's proposal for the terminology
- 16:39:30 [Harold]
- Will do as time permits.
- 16:39:34 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: fragment will be replaced globally by dialect, not further to be discussed.
- 16:39:57 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "7- section 1.1: from the introduction it is not really clear which data types"
- 16:40:11 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: resolved. 5 datatypes supported.
- 16:40:52 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "8- section 1.1: introduction: reference here to features in future dialects"
- 16:40:59 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: resolved.
- 16:41:22 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "9- section 1.1, syntax"
- 16:41:27 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: resolved.
- 16:41:44 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "10- section 1.1: the scoping rules"
- 16:41:48 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: resolved.
- 16:42:08 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "11- section 1.1: XML syntax"
- 16:42:32 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: done. XML lableled illustrative only
- 16:42:59 [josb]
- if it is for illustrative purposes only, then it can be kept there
- 16:43:17 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "12- section 1.1, semantic structures"
- 16:43:25 [AxelPolleres]
- ...postponed to WD2.
- 16:44:24 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: comments 12-15 have been agreed/handled already.
- 16:45:33 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: also all comments until 22 have been resolved.
- 16:45:56 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: can you comment on 22 "intended models of rules"?
- 16:46:19 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: michael will maybe handle it by friday.
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- q+
- 16:47:16 [csma]
- ack allen
- 16:47:59 [Harold]
- Michael?
- 16:48:16 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: michael, can "22 intended models of rules" be handled before f2f?
- 16:48:52 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: further (editorial) comments should have been taken into account.
- 16:49:39 [ChrisW]
- Michael, are you reading the irc?
- 16:49:54 [Zakim]
- + +1.775.242.aacc
- 16:50:07 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, aac is me
- 16:50:07 [Zakim]
- sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'aac'
- 16:50:21 [ChrisW]
- zakim, aacc is MichaelKifer
- 16:50:21 [Zakim]
- +MichaelKifer; got it
- 16:50:29 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: some font issues, there may be still inconsistencies, which cannot be resolved in the wiki version, but comments 23-31 are takei into account.
- 16:50:32 [AxelPolleres]
- s/takei/taken/
- 16:50:38 [AxelPolleres]
- (michael k. joining)
- 16:50:47 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: michael, can "22 intended models of rules" be handled before f2f?
- 16:51:14 [AxelPolleres]
- ... jos said this section should be removed for WD1.
- 16:51:21 [AllenGinsberg]
- +1 different color
- 16:51:49 [AxelPolleres]
- michael: decision was to put it in different color. will be done for frozen version until friday.
- 16:52:26 [ChrisW]
- zakim, mute michaelkifer
- 16:52:26 [Zakim]
- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 16:52:56 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: move to comments from allen.
- 16:53:12 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: all comments of allen resolved.
- 16:53:46 [AxelPolleres]
- chrisw: back to anon vars comment frrom jos?
- 16:54:09 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: anon vars will be discussed at f2f.
- 16:54:11 [sandro]
- (a little research suggests global-search-replace is very rare in wikis, and absent in moinmoin. Only one wiki on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software has it.)
- 16:54:39 [sandro]
- (conceicably wiki-tr could help with that. Hrm.)
- 16:55:12 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: back to allen's comments. Suggestion to all to pick up allen's practice for reviews to suggest replacement text when reviewing.
- 16:55:36 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: let's move to mike dean's review.
- 16:56:11 [AxelPolleres]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0038.html
- 16:57:02 [Hassan]
- NB: "to explicate" means "to make explicit" - not "to explain"
- 16:57:10 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: most of mike's comments are typographic/english.
- 16:57:16 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: have been resolved.
- 16:57:39 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "It seems premature to give examples and a DTD for RIF Horn Rules"
- 16:57:50 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: moved to appendix.
- 16:57:53 [Harold]
- CamelCase
- 16:58:11 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "RDF would be a more appropriate camelcase analogue than Java"
- 16:58:44 [AxelPolleres]
- mike: think that rdf is a more direct analogue than java here.
- 16:58:57 [Zakim]
- -Gary_Hallmark
- 16:58:59 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: will be resolved to WD1 forzen version.
- 16:59:14 [AxelPolleres]
- s/forzen/frozen/
- 16:59:50 [Hassan]
- q+
- 17:00:07 [csma]
- ack hassan
- 17:00:18 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "Why not use sort rather than type as the attribute name"
- 17:00:37 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: the term "sort" is overloaded.
- 17:00:57 [AxelPolleres]
- hassan: so is "type", type is misleading here.
- 17:01:14 [AxelPolleres]
- (resolution?)
- 17:01:16 [AllenGinsberg]
- You could use "SORTAL"
- 17:01:47 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: will be implemented in frozen wd1.
- 17:01:56 [Zakim]
- -SaidTabet
- 17:02:08 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "It seems a bit odd to modify the semantic structures introduced only a few"
- 17:02:20 [AxelPolleres]
- ... "screens back, as if multisorted RIF was an afterthought."
- 17:02:41 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:02:49 [Zakim]
- MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
- 17:03:11 [AxelPolleres]
- Michael K: Should we introduce multisorted RIF right away?
- 17:03:30 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: I think so.
- 17:04:24 [AxelPolleres]
- ChrisW: suggest to keep this for WD2.
- 17:04:34 [ChrisW]
- zakim, mute michaelkifer
- 17:04:36 [Zakim]
- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 17:04:36 [AxelPolleres]
- ... will keep track of this.
- 17:05:02 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: "I'm concerned that this section tries to cover too much material, ..."
- 17:05:12 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: resolved (?)
- 17:05:57 [AxelPolleres]
- (where are you now?)
- 17:06:23 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: other comments are on XML syntax and will go to WD2.
- 17:07:00 [Zakim]
- +Gary_Hallmark
- 17:07:08 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: there will be a session on asn06/XML in f2f, but not relevant for WD1.
- 17:07:24 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: my comment on the structure of the document
- 17:07:36 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: overview now clarified.
- 17:07:41 [Harold]
- Axel, the Condition Language is a common foundation, so is a bit large.
- 17:08:15 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: the Condition Language part is a common foundation, so is a bit large, but will be kept like that for WD1.
- 17:09:23 [Harold]
- No (more) major structural changes are possible.
- 17:09:27 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: next comments from Adrian.
- 17:10:09 [DaveReynolds]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/att-0063/00-part
- 17:10:23 [AxelPolleres]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0063.html
- 17:10:48 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: the comments are in the attachment of that email
- 17:11:40 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: # A Datatypes section is desirable. This section will explain which datatypes are allowed and describe them.
- 17:11:42 [AxelPolleres]
- # A specific Validation section which includes all kind of validation issues i.e. DTD validation, XML Schema validation, MOF validation.
- 17:11:56 [AxelPolleres]
- ... should be discussed for WD2/
- 17:12:00 [AxelPolleres]
- .
- 17:13:08 [agiurca]
- q+
- 17:14:16 [csma]
- ack agiurca
- 17:14:26 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: whether or not to include DTD to be discussed at f2f.
- 17:15:22 [AxelPolleres]
- adrian: rename section "model" to "abstract syntax""
- 17:15:46 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: this is confusing.
- 17:16:28 [Zakim]
- -PaulaP
- 17:17:27 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: again: metamodel vs. abstract syntax to be discussed in f2f2.
- 17:18:34 [AxelPolleres]
- adrian/harold: now discuss about striped- syntax, etc.
- 17:18:44 [agiurca]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:18:44 [Zakim]
- agiurca should now be muted
- 17:19:11 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: harold, please make clear the reference for striped-syntax in frozen document. we will then discuss it at f2f.
- 17:20:00 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: will color-code the "striped" passage in green.
- 17:20:44 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: multiplicity should maybe also discussed. MOF diagram should be discussed as well.
- 17:21:48 [MoZ]
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- 17:21:49 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: another comment which came several times: complete names instead of abbreviations for XML tags.
- 17:22:37 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: for reasons of being illustrative.
- 17:22:38 [Harold]
- Technical RIF tags should not be identified with natural language meanings.
- 17:23:05 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: tags technically shouldn't be the same as natural lang meaning.
- 17:23:13 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: discuss that at f2f.
- 17:23:14 [Harold]
- Short names remind people of that.
- 17:23:26 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: move to phillipe bonnard's comments.
- 17:24:21 [AxelPolleres]
- (can someone post the link to phillipe's mail?)
- 17:24:42 [AxelPolleres]
- harold: will address his comments by friday.
- 17:25:50 [Deborah_Nichols]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0025.html
- 17:25:59 [agiurca]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0025.html
- 17:26:49 [ChrisW]
- q?
- 17:27:03 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: syntax/vocabulary for parts of rules, e.g. ECA rules to be sorted out in f2f.
- 17:27:34 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: comment on slotted syntax is obsolete.
- 17:28:27 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: we have reached the regulatr time and also the end of the reviews.
- 17:28:37 [AllenGinsberg]
- +1
- 17:28:47 [ChrisW]
- proposed extend meeting by 5 minutse
- 17:28:47 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: 5min more for discussing actions for UCR.
- 17:28:53 [ChrisW]
- resolved
- 17:28:57 [AllenGinsberg]
- done
- 17:29:06 [AxelPolleres]
- ACION 215 [done]
- 17:29:08 [josb]
- Sorry, I have to go. Bye!
- 17:29:16 [AxelPolleres]
- s/ACION/ACTION
- 17:29:17 [Zakim]
- -josb
- 17:29:30 [Zakim]
- -AlexKozlenkov
- 17:29:42 [agiurca]
- Review on Ferbruary 23
- 17:30:17 [AxelPolleres]
- (can you tell the action numbers and whether they are done/continued?)
- 17:30:40 [Harold]
- Sandro, if you do a wiki-tr update, could you also fix __underlines__ ?
- 17:30:45 [ChrisW]
- action: sandro to check duplication problem in UCR draft
- 17:30:45 [rifbot]
- Created ACTION-233 - Check duplication problem in UCR draft [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-02-27].
- 17:31:15 [AxelPolleres]
- ACTION 228 [done]
- 17:31:44 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: encourage all to check the wiki pager from action 228.
- 17:31:49 [sandro]
- I'll try, Harold. (I'm out sick, but will try to find some concentration time.)
- 17:31:58 [AxelPolleres]
- continued. working ont it!
- 17:32:18 [AxelPolleres]
- ACTION 227 [continued]
- 17:32:35 [AxelPolleres]
- csma: AOB... no. Good bye!
- 17:32:38 [Zakim]
- -PaulVincent
- 17:32:41 [Zakim]
- -Harold
- 17:32:42 [Zakim]
- -Gary_Hallmark
- 17:32:43 [Zakim]
- -Deborah_Nichols
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- -Allen_Ginsberg
- 17:32:44 [Zakim]
- -MichaelKifer
- 17:32:44 [agiurca]
- -agiurca
- 17:32:46 [Zakim]
- -Leora_Morgenstern
- 17:32:46 [Zakim]
- -Dave_Reynolds
- 17:32:49 [ChrisW]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 17:32:49 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
- 17:32:50 [Zakim]
- -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
- 17:32:54 [Zakim]
- -agiurca
- 17:32:57 [Zakim]
- -johnhall
- 17:34:05 [ChrisW]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 17:34:05 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see csma, ChrisW, Sandro, Axel_Polleres
- 17:36:17 [Zakim]
- -Axel_Polleres
- 17:37:24 [AxelPolleres]
- AxelPolleres has left #rif
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- -Sandro
- 17:37:29 [Zakim]
- -ChrisW
- 17:37:31 [Zakim]
- -csma
- 17:37:32 [Zakim]
- SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
- 17:37:34 [Zakim]
- Attendees were csma, Harold, Dave_Reynolds, agiurca, Leora_Morgenstern, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, ChrisW, josb, AlexKozlenkov, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres, PaulaP, Allen_Ginsberg,
- 17:37:36 [Zakim]
- ... PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, +1.203.539.aabb, SaidTabet, johnhall, Deborah_Nichols, +1.775.242.aacc, MichaelKifer
- 17:38:06 [ChrisW]
- Regrets: IgorMozetic, DavidHirtle, JeffPan, MichaelSintek, MarkusKrötzsch
- 17:38:24 [ChrisW]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 17:38:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
- 17:38:38 [ChrisW]
- ok, axel, give it a minute or two and it shoudl be ready
- 17:38:54 [ChrisW]
- you know you have the final version if it has the attendee and regrets list
- 17:45:37 [csma]
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