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15:20:24 <ChrisW> sandro, if you're there I don't know how to invite the tracker bot
15:20:36 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
15:20:36 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes
15:20:53 <ChrisW> Meeting: RIF Telecon 20 Feb 07
15:21:23 <ChrisW> Chair: Christian de Sainte-Marie
15:21:58 <ChrisW> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0070.html
15:22:12 <ChrisW> ChrisW has changed the topic to: 20 Feb RIF agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0070.html
15:22:29 <ChrisW> agenda+ Admin
15:22:34 <ChrisW> agenda+ F2F
15:22:38 <ChrisW> agenda+ Liason
15:22:48 <ChrisW> agenda+ Technical Design
15:22:54 <ChrisW> agenda+ USR
15:23:06 <ChrisW> agenda- USR
15:23:19 <ChrisW> zakim, delete agendum 5
15:23:19 <Zakim> agendum 5, USR, dropped
15:23:28 <ChrisW> agenda+ UCR
15:23:41 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
15:23:41 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:23:43 <Zakim> 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
15:23:45 <Zakim> 2. F2F [from ChrisW]
15:23:46 <Zakim> 3. Liason [from ChrisW]
15:23:47 <Zakim> 4. Technical Design [from ChrisW]
15:23:48 <Zakim> 6. UCR [from ChrisW]
15:25:02 <ChrisW> agendum 5 = UCR
15:25:11 <ChrisW> agendum 6  =
15:25:23 <ChrisW> agendum 6  = RIFRAF
15:25:30 <ChrisW> agendum 7 = AOB
15:25:41 <ChrisW> agenda+ AOB
15:25:47 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
15:25:47 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
15:25:49 <Zakim> 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
15:25:50 <Zakim> 2. F2F [from ChrisW]
15:25:51 <Zakim> 3. Liason [from ChrisW]
15:25:52 <Zakim> 4. Technical Design [from ChrisW]
15:25:53 <Zakim> 5. UCR
15:25:54 <Zakim> 6. RIFRAF
15:25:56 <Zakim> 7. AOB [from ChrisW]
15:26:14 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:26:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
15:26:51 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:51:54 <csma> MoZ, will you be able to scribe, today?
15:53:45 <MoZ> sorry csma, i will only be present by IRC today too
15:53:56 <csma> ok
15:54:01 <MoZ> xsl is very active for the moment
15:54:06 <MoZ> :(
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15:58:28 <Zakim> +csma; got it
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15:59:03 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
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15:59:59 <ChrisW> need a comma, adrian
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16:00:21 <agiurca> zakim, [TU-Cottbus] is agiurca
16:00:22 <Zakim> +agiurca; got it
16:00:23 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds
16:00:25 <Zakim> +Leora_Morgenstern
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16:01:37 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:01:44 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
16:01:44 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
16:02:20 <Zakim> +josb
16:02:24 <Zakim> + +0208202aaaa
16:02:30 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, Harold, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, josb, +0208202aaaa
16:02:33 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, +0208202aaaa is me
16:02:33 <Zakim> +AlexKozlenkov; got it
16:02:36 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
16:02:40 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
16:02:40 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
16:03:00 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:03:06 <Zakim> +[LMU]
16:03:27 <Zakim> +Axel_Polleres
16:03:50 <AxelPolleres> I won't be there.
16:03:52 <AxelPolleres> I can
16:04:04 <AxelPolleres> scribenick AxelPolleres
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16:04:22 <AxelPolleres>  /me Zakim, mute me
16:04:32 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
16:04:36 <AxelPolleres> did we invite rrsagent?
16:04:53 <ChrisW> action-224 continued
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16:05:09 <AxelPolleres>  ACTION 224 [continued]
16:05:11 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:05:11 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-irc#T16-05-11
16:05:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:05:20 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:05:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:05:37 <AxelPolleres>  topic: admin
16:05:41 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approved minutes of Feb 13 telecon
16:05:41 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, mute me
16:05:41 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
16:05:59 <AxelPolleres> csma: minutes from last time approved.
16:06:02 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 2
16:06:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "F2F" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:06:06 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, unmute me
16:06:06 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
16:06:06 <AxelPolleres> ... no agenda amendments.
16:06:09 <ChrisW> zakim, close item 1
16:06:09 <Zakim> agendum 1, Admin, closed
16:06:10 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:06:11 <Zakim> 2. F2F [from ChrisW]
16:06:16 <AxelPolleres> topic: F2F
16:06:33 <AxelPolleres> csma: action review.
16:06:46 <AxelPolleres> ACTION 229 [done]
16:07:19 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
16:07:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, Harold, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, josb (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), Mike_Dean, Sandro,
16:07:22 <Zakim> ... PaulaP (muted), Axel_Polleres, Allen_Ginsberg, PaulVincent
16:07:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see AllenGinsberg, PaulVincent, josb, AxelPolleres, mdean, Hassan, LeoraMorgenstern, DaveReynolds, agiurca, PaulaP, AlexKozlenkov, Harold, csma, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW,
16:07:26 <Zakim> ... MoZ, sandro
16:07:30 <AxelPolleres> allen: detailed venue information now available on the wiki.
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16:07:57 <rifbot> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/
16:08:13 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
16:08:56 <AxelPolleres> allen: please all register! if you haven't yet registered, mail allen!
16:09:04 <Zakim> + +1.203.539.aabb
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16:09:25 <AxelPolleres> s/registered,/reigstered for F2F,/
16:09:34 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:09:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, Harold, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, josb (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), Mike_Dean, Sandro,
16:09:38 <Zakim> ... PaulaP (muted), Axel_Polleres, Allen_Ginsberg, PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, +1.203.539.aabb
16:10:04 <AxelPolleres>  /me Zakim, mute me
16:10:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:10:15 <ChrisW> zakim, aabb is SaidTabet
16:10:15 <Zakim> +SaidTabet; got it
16:10:17 <johnhall> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:10:17 <Zakim> +johnhall; got it
16:10:32 <AxelPolleres> topic: Liasson
16:10:32 <PaulVincent> PRR: no news
16:10:39 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
16:10:39 <Zakim> johnhall should now be muted
16:10:48 <AxelPolleres> Paul: no news from PRR
16:11:03 <AxelPolleres> (who is speaking?)
16:11:17 <AxelPolleres> said: reports on XBRL.
16:11:42 <johnhall> no change for SBVR
16:11:54 <AxelPolleres> csma: a report from said on XBRL could be interesting in the demo part of f2f.
16:12:05 <PaulVincent> XBRL report: good idea 
16:12:23 <AxelPolleres> ... as an exmple of an industry vocabulary that could be bound to RIF.
16:12:41 <AxelPolleres> said/csma will resolve this offline.
16:12:49 <AxelPolleres> topic: technical design
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16:13:22 <ChrisW> action: Christian to organize XBRL discussion with Said
16:13:22 <rifbot> Created ACTION-230 - Organize XBRL discussion with Said [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2007-02-27].
16:13:31 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols
16:13:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION 225 [done] 
16:13:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION 226 [done]
16:14:27 <AxelPolleres> csma: review comments to technical design from various people.
16:15:00 <AxelPolleres> ... which ones can be easily resolved, which ones require discussion at f2f?
16:15:19 <AxelPolleres> ... When will we have a frozen version of Core for the f2f?
16:15:32 <AxelPolleres> csma: start wih jos' review.
16:15:39 <josb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0027.html
16:15:56 <Harold> Diff of Positive Conditions since last Tuesday: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Core/Positive_Conditions?action=diff&rev2=82&rev1=30
16:16:22 <Harold> Diff of Horn Rules since last Tuesday: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Core/Horn_Rules?action=diff&rev2=26&rev1=17
16:16:53 <AxelPolleres> csma: more separation between discussion part and spec.
16:17:11 <AxelPolleres> harold: separation now clearer by color codes.
16:17:59 <AxelPolleres> Is the color coding explained in the Document????
16:19:20 <AxelPolleres> csma: introduction to be refined.
16:19:30 <AxelPolleres> harold: done.
16:19:46 <AxelPolleres> csma: connection with the web is not really there yet.
16:19:59 <josb> I agreed with Michael that such a thing should probably be in some architecture document
16:20:07 <AxelPolleres> harold: apaert from sorts, webizing still to be done.
16:20:34 <josb> s/such a thing/the connection to the web/
16:20:37 <AxelPolleres> s/apaert/apart
16:21:05 <AxelPolleres> csma: webizing will be stalled for after WD1.
16:21:33 <AxelPolleres> csma: any objections?
16:21:47 <AxelPolleres> RESOLUTION:  webizing will be stalled for after WD1.
16:21:57 <Harold> The Overview already prominently mentions that more webizing will be done later.
16:22:02 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: webizing the RIF CORE will not be part of first WD
16:22:04 <Harold> Currently: sorts.
16:22:14 <josb> it should be stated, though, that it will be addressed in the next version
16:22:30 <AxelPolleres> csma: discussion items in jos review.
16:22:37 <josb> q+
16:22:49 <csma> ACK JOSB
16:23:02 <AxelPolleres> csma: "1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions" propose to discuss this in f2f.
16:23:14 <AxelPolleres> jos: this had already been discussed in the WG.
16:23:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: csma to check whether "1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions" is already resolved.
16:23:54 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - csma
16:24:22 <AxelPolleres> csma: "2- the document seems to commit to four RIF dialects"
16:24:28 <ChrisW> ACTION: Christian to check whether "1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions" is already resolved
16:24:28 <rifbot> Created ACTION-231 - Check whether \"1- core syntax: allowing disjunction in the conditions\" is already resolved [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2007-02-27].
16:24:37 <AxelPolleres> ... seems this needs to be modified/weakened.
16:25:19 <ChrisW> action: harold to modify WD so that there are no committments to specific dialects
16:25:19 <rifbot> Created ACTION-232 - Modify WD so that there are no committments to specific dialects [on Harold Boley - due 2007-02-27].
16:25:47 <AxelPolleres> csma: "3- core syntax: I am not sure what the merit is of [...] anonymous variable"
16:26:10 <AxelPolleres> harold: marked this green in the document, it will be discussed during F2F.
16:26:33 <josb> q+
16:26:36 <AxelPolleres> csma: "4- syntax: [...] URIs more prominent"
16:26:42 <csma> ack josb
16:26:54 <AxelPolleres> ... this is another facet of the resolution we had before.
16:27:42 <AxelPolleres> jos: it seems it is already partly sorted out with the _uri sort.
16:28:06 <josb> +1
16:28:07 <DaveReynolds> q+
16:28:15 <AxelPolleres> csma: "5- syntax: [...] semantic web [...]"
16:28:18 <csma> ack dave
16:28:32 <AxelPolleres> ... this seems also be part of the webizing discussion.
16:29:05 <AxelPolleres> Dave: seems to be worthwhile discussing at F2F.
16:29:32 <AxelPolleres> csma: we will discuss OWL and RDF compatiblity at f2f.
16:30:01 <Harold> "hello world"^^xsd:string was in a draft before, but for LL(k) parsability was syntactically rewritten as _xsd:string"hello world".
16:30:27 <AxelPolleres> ... main objective of f2f will be finalizing WD1. Any discussions of further webizing will not be the focus.
16:30:48 <AxelPolleres> Dave: seems some webizing is in for wd1, other no. 
16:31:45 <AxelPolleres> csma: anything which we can tidy up for WD1 is ok to be discussed in F2F.
16:32:35 <AxelPolleres> (what is the conclusion here???)
16:32:51 <ChrisW> Clarification of Resolution on Webizing: We will include discussion on "cleaning up" the current WD wrt what it already says about "webizing"
16:33:00 <Harold> Mike, webizing was in a draft before (http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/A.1.1_Basis%3A_Positive_Conditions_over_Bipartitioned_Constants), but was then handled via sorts.
16:33:50 <Harold> E.g. <Ind iri="http://www.w3.org"/>
16:34:36 <AxelPolleres> csma: next comment "XML datatypes"
16:34:41 <AxelPolleres> harold: done.
16:34:42 <agiurca> Why xs:anyURI si not there too?
16:35:22 <AxelPolleres> csma: "6- section 1: it is not entirely clear to me what is meant with a "
16:35:25 <AxelPolleres> "fragment" of a dialect. "
16:35:40 <josb> q+
16:35:49 <csma> ack josb
16:36:18 <AxelPolleres> jos: not necessarily all comments need to be discussed here.
16:36:47 <AxelPolleres> csma: we want this all agreed before WD1.
16:37:15 <Harold> Maybe "fragment" is relative to a larger language, whereas "dialect" is neutral wrt specializing or generalizing another language, so I would prefer this more broad term.
16:38:07 <AxelPolleres> csma: " "6- section 1: " dialect vs. fragment will be resolved at f2f.
16:39:24 <josb> I agree with Harold's proposal for the terminology
16:39:30 <Harold> Will do as time permits.
16:39:34 <AxelPolleres> csma: fragment will be replaced globally by dialect, not further to be discussed.
16:39:57 <AxelPolleres> csma: "7- section 1.1: from the introduction it is not really clear which data types"
16:40:11 <AxelPolleres> harold: resolved. 5 datatypes supported.
16:40:52 <AxelPolleres> csma: "8- section 1.1: introduction: reference here to features  in future dialects"
16:40:59 <AxelPolleres> harold: resolved.
16:41:22 <AxelPolleres> csma: "9- section 1.1, syntax"
16:41:27 <AxelPolleres> harold: resolved.
16:41:44 <AxelPolleres> csma: "10- section 1.1: the scoping rules"
16:41:48 <AxelPolleres> harold: resolved.
16:42:08 <AxelPolleres> csma: "11- section 1.1: XML syntax"
16:42:32 <AxelPolleres> csma: done. XML lableled illustrative only 
16:42:59 <josb> if it is for illustrative purposes only, then it can be kept there
16:43:17 <AxelPolleres> csma: "12- section 1.1, semantic structures"
16:43:25 <AxelPolleres> ...postponed to WD2.
16:44:24 <AxelPolleres> harold: comments 12-15 have been agreed/handled already.
16:45:33 <AxelPolleres> harold: also all comments until 22 have been resolved.
16:45:56 <AxelPolleres> csma: can you comment on 22 "intended models of rules"? 
16:46:19 <AxelPolleres> harold: michael will maybe handle it by friday.
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16:46:53 <AllenGinsberg> q+
16:47:16 <csma> ack allen
16:47:59 <Harold> Michael?
16:48:16 <AxelPolleres> csma: michael, can  "22 intended models of rules" be handled before f2f?
16:48:52 <AxelPolleres> csma: further (editorial) comments should have been taken into account.
16:49:39 <ChrisW> Michael, are you reading the irc?
16:49:54 <Zakim> + +1.775.242.aacc
16:50:07 <MichaelKifer> zakim, aac is me
16:50:07 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'aac'
16:50:21 <ChrisW> zakim, aacc is MichaelKifer
16:50:21 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer; got it
16:50:29 <AxelPolleres> harold: some font issues, there may be still inconsistencies, which cannot be resolved in the wiki version, but comments 23-31 are takei into account. 
16:50:32 <AxelPolleres> s/takei/taken/
16:50:38 <AxelPolleres> (michael k. joining)
16:50:47 <AxelPolleres> csma: michael, can  "22 intended models of rules" be handled before f2f?
16:51:14 <AxelPolleres> ... jos said this section should be removed for WD1.
16:51:21 <AllenGinsberg> +1 different color 
16:51:49 <AxelPolleres> michael: decision was to put it in different color. will be done for frozen version until friday.
16:52:26 <ChrisW> zakim, mute michaelkifer
16:52:26 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:52:56 <AxelPolleres> csma: move to comments from allen.
16:53:12 <AxelPolleres> harold: all comments of allen resolved.
16:53:46 <AxelPolleres> chrisw: back to anon vars comment frrom jos?
16:54:09 <AxelPolleres> csma: anon vars will be discussed at f2f.
16:54:11 <sandro> (a little research suggests global-search-replace is very rare in wikis, and absent in moinmoin.     Only one wiki on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software has it.)
16:54:39 <sandro> (conceicably wiki-tr could help with that.   Hrm.)
16:55:12 <AxelPolleres> csma: back to allen's comments. Suggestion to all to pick up allen's practice for reviews to suggest replacement text when reviewing.
16:55:36 <AxelPolleres> csma: let's move to mike dean's review.
16:56:11 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0038.html
16:57:02 <Hassan> NB: "to explicate" means "to make explicit" - not "to explain"
16:57:10 <AxelPolleres> csma: most of mike's comments are typographic/english.
16:57:16 <AxelPolleres> harold: have been resolved.
16:57:39 <AxelPolleres> csma: "It seems premature to give examples and a DTD for RIF Horn Rules"
16:57:50 <AxelPolleres> harold: moved to appendix.
16:57:53 <Harold> CamelCase
16:58:11 <AxelPolleres> csma: "RDF would be a more appropriate camelcase analogue than Java"
16:58:44 <AxelPolleres> mike: think that rdf is a more direct analogue than java here.
16:58:57 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:58:59 <AxelPolleres> harold: will be resolved to WD1 forzen version.
16:59:14 <AxelPolleres> s/forzen/frozen/
16:59:50 <Hassan> q+
17:00:07 <csma> ack hassan
17:00:18 <AxelPolleres> csma: "Why not use sort rather than type as the attribute name"
17:00:37 <AxelPolleres> harold: the term "sort" is overloaded.
17:00:57 <AxelPolleres> hassan: so is "type", type is misleading here.
17:01:14 <AxelPolleres> (resolution?)
17:01:16 <AllenGinsberg> You could use "SORTAL"
17:01:47 <AxelPolleres> harold: will be implemented in frozen wd1.
17:01:56 <Zakim> -SaidTabet
17:02:08 <AxelPolleres> csma: "It seems a bit odd to modify the semantic structures introduced only a few"
17:02:20 <AxelPolleres> ... "screens back, as if multisorted RIF was an afterthought."
17:02:41 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
17:02:49 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
17:03:11 <AxelPolleres> Michael K: Should we introduce multisorted RIF right away?
17:03:30 <AxelPolleres> csma: I think so.
17:04:24 <AxelPolleres> ChrisW: suggest to keep this for WD2.
17:04:34 <ChrisW> zakim, mute michaelkifer
17:04:36 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
17:04:36 <AxelPolleres> ... will keep track of this.
17:05:02 <AxelPolleres> csma: "I'm concerned that this section tries to cover too much material, ..."
17:05:12 <AxelPolleres> harold: resolved (?)
17:05:57 <AxelPolleres> (where are you now?)
17:06:23 <AxelPolleres> csma: other comments are on XML syntax and will go to WD2.
17:07:00 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
17:07:08 <AxelPolleres> csma: there will be a session on asn06/XML in f2f, but not relevant for WD1.
17:07:24 <AxelPolleres> csma: my comment on the structure of the document
17:07:36 <AxelPolleres> harold: overview now clarified.
17:07:41 <Harold> Axel, the Condition Language is a common foundation, so is a bit large.
17:08:15 <AxelPolleres> harold: the Condition Language part is a common foundation, so is a bit large, but will be kept like that for WD1.
17:09:23 <Harold> No (more) major structural changes are possible.
17:09:27 <AxelPolleres> csma: next comments from Adrian.
17:10:09 <DaveReynolds> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/att-0063/00-part
17:10:23 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0063.html
17:10:48 <AxelPolleres> csma: the comments are in the attachment of that email
17:11:40 <AxelPolleres> csma: # A Datatypes section is desirable. This section will explain which datatypes are allowed and describe them.
17:11:42 <AxelPolleres> # A specific Validation section which includes all kind of validation issues i.e. DTD validation, XML Schema validation, MOF validation.
17:11:56 <AxelPolleres> ... should be discussed for WD2/
17:12:00 <AxelPolleres> .
17:13:08 <agiurca> q+
17:14:16 <csma> ack agiurca
17:14:26 <AxelPolleres> csma: whether or not to include DTD to be discussed at f2f.
17:15:22 <AxelPolleres> adrian: rename section "model" to "abstract syntax""
17:15:46 <AxelPolleres> harold: this is confusing.
17:16:28 <Zakim> -PaulaP
17:17:27 <AxelPolleres> csma: again: metamodel vs. abstract syntax to be discussed in f2f2.
17:18:34 <AxelPolleres> adrian/harold: now discuss about striped- syntax, etc.
17:18:44 <agiurca> zakim, mute me
17:18:44 <Zakim> agiurca should now be muted
17:19:11 <AxelPolleres> csma: harold, please make clear the reference for striped-syntax in frozen document. we will then discuss it at f2f.
17:20:00 <AxelPolleres> harold: will color-code the "striped" passage in green.
17:20:44 <AxelPolleres> csma: multiplicity should maybe also discussed. MOF diagram should be discussed as well.
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17:21:49 <AxelPolleres> csma: another comment which came several times: complete names instead of abbreviations for XML tags.
17:22:37 <AxelPolleres> csma: for reasons of being illustrative.
17:22:38 <Harold> Technical RIF tags should not be identified with natural language meanings.
17:23:05 <AxelPolleres> harold: tags technically shouldn't be the same as natural lang meaning.
17:23:13 <AxelPolleres> csma: discuss that at f2f.
17:23:14 <Harold> Short names remind people of that.
17:23:26 <AxelPolleres> csma: move to phillipe bonnard's comments.
17:24:21 <AxelPolleres> (can someone post the link to phillipe's mail?)
17:24:42 <AxelPolleres> harold: will address his comments by friday.
17:25:50 <Deborah_Nichols> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0025.html
17:25:59 <agiurca> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0025.html
17:26:49 <ChrisW> q?
17:27:03 <AxelPolleres> csma: syntax/vocabulary for parts of rules, e.g. ECA rules to be sorted out in f2f. 
17:27:34 <AxelPolleres> csma: comment on slotted syntax is obsolete.
17:28:27 <AxelPolleres> csma: we have reached the regulatr time and also the end of the reviews.
17:28:37 <AllenGinsberg> +1
17:28:47 <ChrisW> proposed extend meeting by 5 minutse
17:28:47 <AxelPolleres> csma: 5min more for discussing actions for UCR.
17:28:53 <ChrisW> resolved
17:28:57 <AllenGinsberg> done
17:29:06 <AxelPolleres> ACION 215 [done]
17:29:08 <josb> Sorry, I have to go. Bye!
17:29:16 <AxelPolleres> s/ACION/ACTION
17:29:17 <Zakim> -josb
17:29:30 <Zakim> -AlexKozlenkov
17:29:42 <agiurca> Review on Ferbruary 23
17:30:17 <AxelPolleres> (can you tell the action numbers and whether they are done/continued?)
17:30:40 <Harold> Sandro, if you do a wiki-tr update, could you also fix __underlines__ ?
17:30:45 <ChrisW> action: sandro to check duplication problem in UCR draft
17:30:45 <rifbot> Created ACTION-233 - Check duplication problem in UCR draft [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-02-27].
17:31:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION 228 [done]
17:31:44 <AxelPolleres> csma: encourage all to check the wiki pager from action 228.
17:31:49 <sandro> I'll try, Harold.   (I'm out sick, but will try to find some concentration time.)
17:31:58 <AxelPolleres> continued. working ont it!
17:32:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION 227 [continued]
17:32:35 <AxelPolleres> csma: AOB... no. Good bye!
17:32:38 <Zakim> -PaulVincent
17:32:41 <Zakim> -Harold
17:32:42 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
17:32:43 <Zakim> -Deborah_Nichols
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17:32:44 <Zakim> -Allen_Ginsberg
17:32:44 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
17:32:44 <agiurca> -agiurca
17:32:46 <Zakim> -Leora_Morgenstern
17:32:46 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
17:32:49 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:32:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
17:32:49 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
17:32:50 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
17:32:54 <Zakim> -agiurca
17:32:57 <Zakim> -johnhall
17:34:05 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:34:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, ChrisW, Sandro, Axel_Polleres
17:36:17 <Zakim> -Axel_Polleres
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17:37:28 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:37:29 <Zakim> -ChrisW
17:37:31 <Zakim> -csma
17:37:32 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
17:37:34 <Zakim> Attendees were csma, Harold, Dave_Reynolds, agiurca, Leora_Morgenstern, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, ChrisW, josb, AlexKozlenkov, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres, PaulaP, Allen_Ginsberg,
17:37:36 <Zakim> ... PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, +1.203.539.aabb, SaidTabet, johnhall, Deborah_Nichols, +1.775.242.aacc, MichaelKifer
17:38:06 <ChrisW> Regrets: IgorMozetic, DavidHirtle, JeffPan, MichaelSintek, MarkusKrötzsch
17:38:24 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:38:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
17:38:38 <ChrisW> ok, axel, give it a minute or two and it shoudl be ready
17:38:54 <ChrisW> you know you have the final version if it has the attendee and regrets list
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