IRC log of dawg on 2007-02-20

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14:27:33 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #dawg
14:27:33 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-irc
14:27:38 [LeeF]: zakim, this will be DAWG
14:27:38 [Zakim]: ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:27:42 [AndyS]: The code behind the factory will tell you what it actually does.
14:27:46 [LeeF]: Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly
14:27:50 [LeeF]: Chair: LeeF
14:27:52 [AndyS]: (cos I can't remember!)
14:27:55 [LeeF]: :-)
14:28:16 [AndyS]: It's not changed for ARQ2
14:28:20 [LeeF]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/
14:29:02 [LeeF]: When I started writing my SPARQL stuff last year, I promised myself that I wasn't going to write any parsers (other than the SPARQL parser itself, of course), and I was going to write the bare minimum of graph code that I needed to handle CONSTRUCT and that's it :)
14:29:08 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:29:15 [Zakim]: +??P2
14:29:17 [LeeF]: Regrets: Souri, EliasT, Jeen
14:29:17 [AndyS]: zakim, ??P2 is me
14:29:17 [Zakim]: +AndyS; got it
14:29:35 [Zakim]: +[IBMCambridge]
14:29:39 [LeeF]: zakim, IBMCambridge is me
14:29:39 [Zakim]: +LeeF; got it
14:29:50 [LeeF]: agenda + convene
14:29:57 [LeeF]: agenda + Review ACTION Items
14:30:06 [LeeF]: agenda + test suite
14:30:11 [LeeF]: agenda + rq25 status and reviews
14:30:20 [LeeF]: agenda + protocol status
14:30:26 [LeeF]: agenda + Road to Last Call
14:30:35 [LeeF]: agenda + Minimal test suite?
14:30:43 [Zakim]: +Simon_Raboczi
14:31:15 [Zakim]: +Orri_Erling
14:32:26 [Zakim]: -Simon_Raboczi
14:32:43 [SimonR]: What the heck...?
14:32:57 [LeeF]: Not loved by the W3C phone system
14:33:27 [SimonR]: Drat. I was kind of hoping my recent trade-up to ADSL2+ was going to solve all my telephony problems....
14:34:07 [LeeF]: zakim, who's on the phone?
14:34:07 [Zakim]: On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, Orri_Erling
14:35:11 [Zakim]: +Simon_Raboczi
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14:51:31 [AndyS]: q+
14:52:55 [AndyS]: ack AndyS
14:55:21 [Zakim]: -Orri_Erling
14:55:27 [Zakim]: -LeeF
14:55:29 [Zakim]: -Simon_Raboczi
14:55:34 [LeeF]: Scribe: LeeF
14:55:41 [Zakim]: -AndyS
14:55:42 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
14:55:44 [Zakim]: Attendees were AndyS, LeeF, Simon_Raboczi, Orri_Erling
14:55:48 [LeeF]: Short meeting due to limited attendance, topics discussed:
14:55:53 [AndyS]: AndyS has left #dawg
14:55:55 [SimonR]: Adjourned at 14:55Z.
14:56:09 [LeeF]: AndyS: Many of the rq25 changes made; need to talk with ericP about some section 11 changes
14:56:33 [LeeF]: ... reviews always encouraged, perhaps people can choose specific section that interest them in reviewing to ease the review burden
14:56:54 [LeeF]: LeeF: I'll talk to Kendall, Steve, and others to see where their ability to review currently stands
14:57:19 [LeeF]: ... optimistically/speculatively might hope to have reviews of near-final rq25 next week, decision to publish last call in 2 weeks
14:57:45 [LeeF]: Orri offers to look over the protocol document
14:58:24 [LeeF]: zakim, agenda?
14:58:24 [Zakim]: I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
14:58:25 [Zakim]: 1. convene [from LeeF]
14:58:26 [Zakim]: 2. Review ACTION Items [from LeeF]
14:58:27 [Zakim]: 3. test suite [from LeeF]
14:58:29 [Zakim]: 4. rq25 status and reviews [from LeeF]
14:58:30 [Zakim]: 5. protocol status [from LeeF]
14:58:33 [Zakim]: 6. Road to Last Call [from LeeF]
14:58:34 [Zakim]: 7. Minimal test suite? [from LeeF]
14:58:36 [LeeF]: zakim, take up agendum 7
14:58:36 [Zakim]: agendum 7. "Minimal test suite?" taken up [from LeeF]
14:59:26 [LeeF]: SimonR: I think that a small set of carefully reviewed tests would encourage more people to look through the tests and be more likely to test the specific parts of SPARQL that need to be tested - bigger is not necessarily better
14:59:49 [LeeF]: ... maybe we could even annotate the end of each section of the QL document with the relevant tests for that section to aid readers/implementors
15:00:14 [LeeF]: LeeF: Concerned with schedule because we're looking to publish LC and CR specs before the test work is finished
15:00:43 [LeeF]: AndyS: Concerned with additional administrative work that will delay schedule -- in this case, time needed to agree on "core" tests
15:00:47 [ericP]: zakim, please dial ericP-617
15:00:47 [Zakim]: ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:00:47 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
15:00:50 [Zakim]: +EricP
15:01:01 [LeeF]: this is all a recording eric :)
15:01:06 [SimonR]: LeeF, your retention is admirable!
15:01:13 [Zakim]: -EricP
15:01:14 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:01:17 [Zakim]: Attendees were EricP
15:01:40 [LeeF]: LeeF: We can use the URIs in Eric's classification work to automatically post-annotate the QL document with relevant tests
15:01:48 [ericP]: zakim, please dial ericP-617
15:01:48 [Zakim]: ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:01:49 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
15:01:51 [Zakim]: +EricP
15:02:02 [LeeF]: SimonR: ...and Eric's work will help us determine equivalence classes of tests to aid in selecting core tests down the line
15:02:11 [Zakim]: -EricP
15:02:12 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:02:13 [Zakim]: Attendees were EricP
15:02:33 [LeeF]: <General agreement that in an ideal world ending up with a core set of tests is probably a good idea, but time and energy prevent us from doing it at the moment.>
15:02:54 [LeeF]: LeeF: Anyone with time / energy can annotate the test manifests with :featuredTest markers down the line and produce a minimal test suite from that
15:03:08 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
15:03:16 [Zakim]: +EricP
15:03:38 [LeeF]: zakim, meeting ended 5 minutes ago, I'm post-scribing
15:03:38 [Zakim]: I don't understand you, LeeF
15:03:40 [LeeF]: err
15:03:42 [LeeF]: ericp that is
15:03:42 [LeeF]: :)
15:03:44 [Zakim]: -EricP
15:03:50 [Zakim]: SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:03:52 [Zakim]: Attendees were EricP
15:03:53 [ericP]: ahh, got it
15:03:56 [ericP]: oops,. very sorry
15:04:17 [LeeF]: that's ok - I think Andy has some Sec. 11 stuff (and related to Souri's comments) to discuss with you
15:04:29 [LeeF]: (Andy is probably switching rooms/machines right now though)
15:04:42 [AndyS]: Ping!
15:04:53 [ericP]: pong
15:05:14 [LeeF]: LeeF: Let's adjourn early, meet next week, and continue discussions on the mailing list
15:05:15 [LeeF]: ADJOURNED
15:05:35 [LeeF]: ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES]
15:05:51 [LeeF]: ACTION: Elias to add wording for PROPOSED: ed(The SPARLQ Protocol does not derefrence query URIs so 5.1.3 does not apply. Per 5.1.4, services must define their own base URI, which may be the service invocation URI.) [CONTINUES]
15:05:59 [LeeF]: ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES]
15:06:08 [LeeF]: ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES]
15:06:18 [LeeF]: ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query [CONTINUES]
15:06:34 [LeeF]: (some of those are done, but we'll take them up next week officially)
15:06:57 [LeeF]: Present: LeeF, AndyS, Orri, SimonR
15:07:03 [LeeF]: rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:07:03 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-minutes.html LeeF
15:07:08 [LeeF]: rrsagent, make logs world-access
15:07:39 [AndyS]: EricP - you can edit sec11 when you're ready. My edits now should be v localised and handlign Souri's grammar point (i'll try to remove the recursion without changing anything else0
15:14:59 [ericP]: AndyS, roger that
15:15:25 [ericP]: what was souri's grammar point?
15:21:12 [LeeF]: It's in the document attached to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0088.html - it's about the palcement of periods in SPARQL queries
15:25:58 [patH]: patH has joined #dawg
15:26:01 [ericP]: yeah, i never picked my way into the doc file
15:26:12 [patH]: Sorry Im so lat, is there any reason to call in?
15:26:13 [ericP]: hey pat, you joining late too?
15:26:21 [patH]: Yup. OK, here I come.
15:26:26 [ericP]: i missed today so i guess you did too
15:26:38 [LeeF]: Call was short today
15:26:39 [patH]: so is the telcon over?
15:26:42 [LeeF]: yup
15:26:47 [AndyS]: The GraphPattern rule is recursive (conditional tail recursive)
15:26:53 [patH]: Ah,I see. Nothing on agenda I guess.
15:27:00 [LeeF]: Limited attendance :)
15:27:19 [LeeF]: RRSAgent, please leave
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES] [1]
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-irc#T15-05-35
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Elias to add wording for PROPOSED: ed(The SPARLQ Protocol does not derefrence query URIs so 5.1.3 does not apply. Per 5.1.4, services must define their own base URI, which may be the service invocation URI.) [CONTINUES] [2]
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-irc#T15-05-51
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES] [3]
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-irc#T15-05-59
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES] [4]
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-irc#T15-06-08
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query [CONTINUES] [5]
15:27:19 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/20-dawg-irc#T15-06-18
15:27:21 [LeeF]: zakim, please leave
15:27:21 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #dawg
15:27:26 [AndyS]: Can be removed with a ()* - I've been promising that for a while. Already done objectList and PropertyList (not mentioned by Souri).
15:27:33 [ericP]: AndyS, did he have a proposal for a non0recursive grammar for '.'? ?
15:27:41 [AndyS]: Mostly, he talks about <DOT>