IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-02-15

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc

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meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines

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chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JanMar/0091.html

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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started

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+[IPcaller]

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+[IBM]

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regrets: Sorcha_Moore

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+John_Slatin

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+Don_Evans

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+Cooper

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zakim, IPCaller is David_MacDonald

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+David_MacDonald; got it

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zakim, IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver

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+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it

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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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+Sofia_Celic

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+[IPcaller]

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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zakim, [IPcaller is Bengt_Farre

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+Bengt_Farre; got it

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+ +7.971.aaaa

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zakim, +7.971 is Sean_Hayes

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+Sean_Hayes; got it

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lokal number

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+??P17

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+??P16

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zakim, ??P17 is Gregg_Vanderheiden

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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it

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10 01zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero

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zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell

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+Ben_Caldwell; got it

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zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero

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+Roberto_Ellero; got it

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zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero

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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted

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scribe: Christophe_Strobbe

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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates

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take up item 1

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agenda+ Team C Proposals for 8 February 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070208-teamc/results>

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agenda+ Team B Survey for 15 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070215/results>

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agenda+ 15 February 2007 Level Change Proposals <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2007feb15levels/results>

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Keyword report: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/keyword_report.php

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+??P18

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zakim, ??P18 is Cynthia_Shelly

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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it

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scribe: MichaelC

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gv: much progress on issues - see how much shorter the keyword report is http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/keyword_report.php

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... need to document rationales

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lgr: working on closing issues asap

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... have some difficult issues that we might not be able to resolve, and should defer to future version

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... while we have small number of issues remaining, they're the most difficult ones; they won't get easier for waiting so we've gotta push

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de: some too important to push off

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cs: thought we weren't doing WCAG 3

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gv: need to achieve consensus on these issues, delay when absolutely necessary

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lgr: some problems we don't know how to solve, e.g., cognitive, think better to deal with them later than hold WCAG 2 open

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gv: and technologies may evolve in ways we can't predict

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q+

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ack a

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scribe: Christophe_Strobbe

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 2. "Team C Proposals for 8 February 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070208-teamc/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]

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+Tim_Boland

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Topic: LC-764: whitespace alt

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scribe: Christophe

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Resolution: LC-764 closed with unanimous consent

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Topic: LC-1169: pausing vs stopping

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zakim, mute me

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David_MacDonald should now be muted

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zakim, unmute me

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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted

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q+

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ack d

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Resolution: leave LC-1169 open

20:33:27 [David_MacDonald]

zakim. mute me

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zakim, mute me

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David_MacDonald should now be muted

20:34:36 [Christophe]

ACTION: Andi to create wording that requires restart only for non-decorative content (issue LC-1169)

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Topic: LC-1238: Unable to reach mechanism to stop time limit in time

20:43:53 [David_MacDonald]

zakim, unmute me

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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted

20:44:41 [Christophe]

Resolution: close issue LC-1238 by not adding the failure and by adding the phrase "before encountering it" to the first two bullets of SC 2.2.1

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Topic: LC-1078

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ACTION: David to incorporate comments from survey.

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 3. "Team B Survey for 15 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070215/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]

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Topic: SC 1.4.5, SC 1.4.6: scale down as well as up

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Resolution: accept as proposed

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+Alex_Li

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Action: Gregg and Sean to discuss 1.4..6 regarding proposal to remove it

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Topic: LC-1040 and LC-1249: Conformance scoping

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki

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+Becky_Gibson

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+Makoto_Ueki; got it

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zakim, who's making noise?

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ben_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alex_Li (89%)

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+[IPcaller]

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Resolution: accept LC-1040 and LC-1249 as ammended

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Topic: LC-692: testing methodology

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Resolution: close LC-692 as ammended

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 4. "15 February 2007 Level Change Proposals <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2007feb15levels/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]

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+Bruce_Bailey

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Topic: SC 1.2.1, SC 1.2.2 (captions and audio descriptions)

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... LC-1283 and LC-1332

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ack d

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-Luca_Mascaro

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ack c

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+??P0

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Zakim, ?P0 is luca

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sorry, luca, I do not recognize a party named '?P0'

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Zakim, ??P0 is luca

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+luca; got it

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Zakim, mute me

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luca should now be muted

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scribe: Andi

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ack cyn

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q+

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ack l

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ack b

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q+

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ack g

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ack c

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action: Sean and Loretta to check on technical feasibility of doing captions internationally

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ack j

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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-luca

21:47:30 [Andi]

resolution: close Issue 886, Issue 892 as proposed which is no change

21:51:46 [Andi]

resolution: accept 1077 as amended - keep 1.2.7 at Level 3

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-Bruce_Bailey

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+Bruce_Bailey

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q

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resolution: accept 1234 as amended

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-Tim_Boland

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action: John, Loretta, and Makoto to revisit 680 and 1083 (1.3.5) to address Sean's comment

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topic: GL 1.4

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yes

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ack j

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q+

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ack a

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-Bruce_Bailey

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+Bruce_Bailey

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resolution: no level change on 1.4.1, 1.4.3, and 1.4.4

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action: Loretta, Sean, and John to work on 1.4.2 to address the Flash scenario John raised

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topic: SC 2.3.2

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resolution: accept 1049 as amended - no level change to 2.3.2

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topic: SC 2.4.3

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ack j

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q+

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-Roberto_Ellero

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ack d

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-Sofia_Celic

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q+

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ack a

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ack j

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-Don_Evans

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-Bruce_Bailey

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present: David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow-Weaver, John_Slatin, Don_Evans, Michael_Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Christophe_Strobbe, Sean_Hayes, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Luca_Mascaro, Bruce_Bailey

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-Becky_Gibson

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+Bruce_Bailey

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-Makoto_Ueki

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-Alex_Li

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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-John_Slatin

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-Sean_Hayes

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-Andi_Snow-Weaver

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-Bengt_Farre

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-Gregg_Vanderheiden

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-David_MacDonald

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-Bruce_Bailey

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-Cooper

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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended

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Attendees were John_Slatin, Don_Evans, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Christophe_Strobbe, Bengt_Farre, +7.971.aaaa, Sean_Hayes,

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... Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Becky_Gibson, Makoto_Ueki, Luca_Mascaro, Bruce_Bailey, luca

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quit

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rrsagent, make log world

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Andi to create wording that requires restart only for non-decorative content (issue LC-1169) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T20-34-36

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ACTION: David to incorporate comments from survey. [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T20-52-09

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ACTION: Gregg and Sean to discuss 1.4..6 regarding proposal to remove it [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T21-02-27

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ACTION: Sean and Loretta to check on technical feasibility of doing captions internationally [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T21-41-04

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ACTION: John, Loretta, and Makoto to revisit 680 and 1083 (1.3.5) to address Sean's comment [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T22-12-15

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ACTION: Loretta, Sean, and John to work on 1.4.2 to address the Flash scenario John raised [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-wai-wcag-irc#T22-33-15