16:46:23 RRSAgent has joined #mmsem 16:46:24 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-irc 16:46:43 Zakim has joined #mmsem 16:47:09 rrsagent, bookmark 16:47:09 See http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-irc#T16-47-09 16:47:25 Zakim, what conference is this? 16:47:25 no conference has been selected, mhausenblas 16:47:45 zakim, list conferences 16:47:45 I see WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM active 16:47:47 also scheduled at this time are INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM 16:48:20 zakim, this is INC_MMSEM() 16:48:20 mhausenblas, I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_MMSEM()". 16:48:34 zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM() 16:48:34 ok, mhausenblas; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes 16:49:15 Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 15-02-2007, 17:00 UTC 16:49:23 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Feb/0024.html 16:50:28 Chair: Raphael 16:54:31 alessio has joined #mmsem 16:55:08 hallo michael, hallo all 16:57:14 INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started 16:57:17 raphael has joined #mmsem 16:57:22 +mhausenblas 16:57:33 hi raphael 16:58:01 TobiasBuerger has joined #mmsem 16:58:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:58:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas 16:58:59 + +49.861.209.aaaa 16:59:25 zakim, who is on the call? 16:59:25 On the phone I see mhausenblas, +49.861.209.aaaa 16:59:37 Zakim, aaaa is me 16:59:38 +TobiasBuerger; got it 17:00:29 +??P5 17:00:49 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:01:07 + +0329331aabb 17:01:13 cgi-irc has joined #mmsem 17:01:19 ocelma has joined #mmsem 17:01:20 +raphael 17:01:31 zakim, who is here? 17:01:31 On the phone I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, ??P5, +0329331aabb, raphael 17:01:33 On IRC I see ocelma, cgi-irc, TobiasBuerger, raphael, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas 17:02:14 Present: Raphael Troncy, Alessio Cartocci, Tobias Bürger, Stamatia Dasiopoulou, Oscar Celma, Michael Hausenblas 17:02:24 zeljko has joined #mmsem 17:02:31 zakim, aabb is Gaetan_Chris 17:02:31 +Gaetan_Chris; got it 17:02:43 +??P9 17:02:44 present+ Zeljko Obrenovic 17:02:57 +??P12 17:03:02 Regrets: Christian Halaschek-Wiener, Ioannis Pratikakis, Sofia Tsekeridou, Ovidio Salvetti, Erik Mannens, Pasquale Popolizio, Roberto Ellero, Jeff Pan, Vassilis Tzouvaras, Susanne Boll, George Anadiotis, Thomas Franz 17:03:07 zakim, P9 is Oscar 17:03:07 sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'P9' 17:03:07 Melli has joined #mmsem 17:03:11 zakim, ??P9 is Oscar 17:03:11 +Oscar; got it 17:03:22 present+ Melliyal Annamalai 17:03:28 +??P13 17:03:34 zakim, ??P12 is Melli 17:03:34 +Melli; got it 17:03:35 Chris_Gaetan has joined #mmsem 17:03:47 zakim, who is here? 17:03:47 On the phone I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, ??P5, Gaetan_Chris, raphael, Oscar, Melli, ??P13 17:03:50 On IRC I see Chris_Gaetan, Melli, zeljko, ocelma, cgi-irc, TobiasBuerger, raphael, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas 17:03:57 zakim, ??P13 is Zeljko 17:03:57 +Zeljko; got it 17:04:03 zakim, which noise 17:04:03 I don't understand 'which noise', raphael 17:04:06 zakim, which noise? 17:04:06 I don't understand your question, raphael. 17:04:12 zakim, whos is making noise? 17:04:12 I don't understand your question, raphael. 17:04:17 zakim, who is making noise? 17:04:30 zakim, who's talking? 17:04:31 raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (14%), mhausenblas (16%), raphael (19%), Gaetan_Chris (28%), Oscar (14%), Zeljko (9%) 17:04:45 mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (27%), mhausenblas (36%), raphael (14%), Gaetan_Chris (8%), Oscar (49%) 17:04:50 zakim, mute Gaetan_Chris 17:04:50 Gaetan_Chris should now be muted 17:05:12 zakim, who is here? 17:05:12 On the phone I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, ??P5, Gaetan_Chris (muted), raphael, Oscar, Melli, Zeljko 17:05:15 On IRC I see Chris_Gaetan, Melli, zeljko, ocelma, cgi-irc, TobiasBuerger, raphael, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas 17:05:57 zakim, ??P5 is Stamatia 17:05:57 +Stamatia; got it 17:06:21 zakim, who is cgi-irc? 17:06:21 I don't understand your question, mhausenblas. 17:06:38 ScribeNick: mhausenblas 17:06:54 Topic: 1. ADMIN 17:07:09 PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 1st February 2007 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html 17:07:11 +1 17:07:22 ACCEPTED 17:07:38 Poll to have a telecon next week: 22th February 2007 17:08:09 Raphael: Who can make it - we have to push the work 17:08:43 Oscar can make 17:08:52 Tobias can make it 17:09:10 Chris_Gaetan can make it 17:09:27 I can, also 17:09:32 RESOLUTION: next telecon Mar 1# 17:09:43 s/1#/1 17:09:49 Topic: 2. Semantic Web Coordination Group Telecon (09/02/2007) 17:09:55 See our slides: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/SWCG2007/ 17:09:59 Telecon minutes (members only): http://www.w3.org/2007/02/09-swcg-minutes.html 17:11:27 Raphael reports on the SWCG meeting 17:11:39 q+ to ask for further plans 17:12:09 http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=xgr#sample-template 17:13:07 Raphael: Future of group by the two chairs 17:13:28 ... Jeff proposed to go for WG directly 17:13:53 ... Raphael thinks some further research is needed 17:13:59 ... wait one more year 17:14:15 ... SWCG ack the two versions 17:14:29 ... third scenario: split XG efforts 17:14:38 ... or IG 17:15:10 ... will discuss further when Jeff is back 17:15:24 ... still we have to find concensus 17:15:39 POLL for future of group 17:15:47 zakim, ack michael 17:15:47 I see mhausenblas on the speaker queue 17:15:53 zakim, ack mhausenblas 17:15:53 mhausenblas, you wanted to ask for further plans 17:15:54 I see no one on the speaker queue 17:16:23 -> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#good-standing 17:16:31 michael: concern about the lot of regrets we have 17:17:19 ... uncontrolled growing 17:17:35 ... perhaps split into 2 XGs 17:18:30 Michael adds we need to keep the momentum 17:19:29 Oscar: wait for one year doing research or go for an XG ? 17:19:44 michael: fear to lose people during this blank year 17:20:04 Oscar: I think it is too early 17:20:34 I'm up to "Raphael option": wait one year more 17:20:46 Tobias: Support both Oscar and Michael 17:21:11 ... go for another XG 17:21:31 ... taking EU research projects experienes into account 17:21:45 Stamatia: to early to go for WG 17:21:46 Stamatia: i fully agree that it is too early 17:24:20 Melli: Need more feedback from other W3C WG 17:24:38 yes, unfortunetly 17:24:44 i have a proxy 17:25:11 Raphael: WG membership req about 20% time resources for this 17:25:15 as usual on the afternoon :( 17:26:31 Zakim, unmute Chris_Gaetan 17:26:32 sorry, raphael, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Chris_Gaetan 17:26:40 Zakim, unmute Gaetan_Chris 17:26:40 Gaetan_Chris should no longer be muted 17:26:53 present+ Gaetan_Chris 17:27:38 Gaetan_Chris: spliting up into XG is no good option 17:27:51 ... don't wait for another year 17:28:34 ... does this XG close? 17:29:01 Raphael: Yes, this on will close on XXX 17:29:36 s/XXX/1 May 2007 17:29:42 Topic: 3. LINKS Pages 17:29:55 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/deliverables/vocabularies.html 17:30:07 not ready for review yet ... 17:30:50 ... available hopefully by next Monday 17:31:06 ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page see: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies 17:31:16 -- continues 17:31:23 ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action02] 17:31:27 -- continues 17:31:51 http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=xgr#sample-template 17:32:22 ACTION: Zeljko to maintain the Resources/Tools page see: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Tools_and_Resources 17:32:34 -- continues 17:34:16 Zeljko: Restructured a lot and added stuff - all are invited to review 17:34:36 Raphael: Maybe change to tables 17:36:01 zakim, who is talking? 17:36:16 mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (0%), Oscar (10%) 17:36:43 Oscar: Should contact authors of tools to get status 17:37:05 s/Oscar/Zeljko 17:37:39 Well, I can contact the Audio ones. No problem, I know them! 17:38:10 RRSAgent, draft minutes 17:38:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas 17:39:11 Topic: 4. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable 17:39:20 ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action08] 17:39:23 -- continues 17:39:28 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/XGR-image-annotation/ 17:40:15 Raphael: Pub request upcoming 17:40:22 Topic: 5. Interoperability Deliverable 17:40:28 Topic: 5.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff) 17:40:36 ACTION: Vassilis update the structure of the deliverable and fill it in a XG report template, HTML document in our W3C space [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action04] 17:40:41 -- done 17:41:11 Raphael: Jeff and Vasilis will continue on the Wiki 17:41:26 Topic: 5.2 Music Use case: (Oscar) 17:42:14 Oscar: UC focuses on navigation through music space via /facet 17:43:23 q+ on formats used 17:43:29 ... query for song and get playlist 17:43:36 q+ to ask on formats used 17:44:08 ... work on RDF2ID3 converter 17:44:09 Music Ontology: 17:44:13 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies#head-c63c0a04d77106d69e58c69bf890898a5d858ebf 17:44:17 http://pingthesemanticweb.com/ontology/mo/ 17:44:44 Oscar: Important ontology 17:44:48 ack raphael 17:44:48 raphael, you wanted to ask on formats used 17:45:07 Raphael: Know the work of YYYY 17:45:16 facet meets foafing the music: 17:45:19 s/YYYY/Yves_Raimond 17:45:20 http://slashfacet.semanticweb.org/music/facet 17:45:48 Raphael: What formats are supported? 17:46:37 Oscar: Extend basic ID3 with low-level feature concepts 17:46:51 Raphael: How about MPEG-7? 17:47:22 Oscar: Could be done with MPEG-72OWL schema converter 17:47:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:47:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas 17:48:17 ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable till 7 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action11] 17:48:27 -- continues 17:48:33 ACTION: Paola to provide a possible B2B scenario [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02] 17:48:37 -- continues 17:48:41 Topic: 5.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael) 17:48:49 ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable till 7 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action12] 17:48:53 -- continues 17:49:28 Raphael: We have a clear idea what will be in there + additional AC 17:49:37 ... will be ready be next telecon 17:49:46 Topic: 5.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik ?) 17:50:10 Raphael: They send status + I will see her next week 17:50:17 ACTION: Raphael to bug Susanne about status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action13] 17:50:19 -- done 17:50:25 ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06] 17:50:27 -- done 17:50:36 ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06] 17:50:41 -- continues 17:50:48 Topic: 5.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael) 17:50:57 Topic: 5.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio) 17:51:25 ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps 17:51:31 ACTION: Sophia to find and send a documentation about an application toolbox where the user can select some algorithm to do feature extraction on music [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action02] 17:51:36 -- continues 17:51:41 ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC till next AC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action19] 17:51:44 -- continues 17:51:49 Topic: 5.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis) 17:51:53 update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Feb/0036.html 17:52:08 Topic: 6. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10') 17:52:21 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/XGR-mpeg7/ 17:53:20 q+ to ask why he does not contribute to this deliverable any more :( 17:54:27 ACTION Raphael to enable CVS account for Oscar 17:54:30 One comment: I also might have lost my edit-rights in the WIKI... 17:54:53 ACTION: To invite Chrisa as invited expert 17:55:06 ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Oscar 17:55:57 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/WorkingGroup 17:56:45 that the content of the wiki: [wiki:TobiasBurger Tobias Bürger] 17:57:45 ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Suzanne Little 17:57:54 ACTION: Raphael Stamatia to start work on MPEG-7 deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/18-mmsem-minutes.html#action16] 17:57:56 -- done 17:58:04 ACTION: Vassilis to contact Chrisa to find out how she can contribute w.r.t. MPEG-7 deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action22] 17:58:07 -- done 17:59:11 ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon 17:59:33 Topic: 7. AOB 17:59:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:59:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas 18:00:02 Raphael: We have to get UC and deliverables in good shape 18:00:17 -Melli 18:00:19 -Gaetan_Chris 18:00:20 -Zeljko 18:00:20 -Oscar 18:00:22 -mhausenblas 18:00:23 -Stamatia 18:00:24 -TobiasBuerger 18:00:29 -raphael 18:00:30 INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended 18:00:31 Attendees were mhausenblas, +49.861.209.aaaa, TobiasBuerger, +0329331aabb, raphael, Gaetan_Chris, Oscar, Melli, Zeljko, Stamatia 18:00:36 RRSAgent, make logs public 18:02:13 :-) 18:02:15 bye 18:03:07 bye 19:53:52 Zakim has left #mmsem