IRC log of databinding on 2007-02-13
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- Zakim, this will be DBWG
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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- Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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- Date: 13 February 2007
- 08:26:53 [pauld]
- scribe: pauld
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- chair: pauld
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- Topic: Administrivia
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- gcowe: would like to change the Siebel comment in the minutes
- 09:22:02 [pauld]
- pauld: OK!
- 09:22:15 [pauld]
- Topic: Test Suite
- 09:22:26 [pauld]
- pauld: we need to publish our reports
- 09:22:36 [pauld]
- plan to publish detected patterns
- 09:22:52 [pauld]
- yves: been working with XMLUnit
- 09:23:01 [pauld]
- discussion of Yves report
- 09:23:38 [pauld]
- pauld: need a rollup, need to fix log namespace for nonamespace schemas, but looks good!
- 09:24:25 [pauld]
- pauld: Yves will work on the rollup, pauld will work on detecting patterns in the wild jon and george to battle with toolkits
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- pauld: OK today we answer comments, rest of the meeting we work on the reports
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- BREAK
- 10:11:12 [JonC]
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- Topic: c-erh-1 : typo "casue"
- 10:16:32 [pauld]
- Jonc: actually a type in "Advanced"
- 10:16:40 [pauld]
- pauld: i seem to have fixed it
- 10:16:59 [pauld]
- pauld: how do I work EXIT? Shoot me. Shoot me now!
- 10:17:07 [pauld]
- pauld: accepted!
- 10:17:33 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-i18n-1 : BOM link to Unicode FAQ
- 10:19:01 [pauld]
- pauld: do we have any tests for BOM?
- 10:19:20 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to write BOM examples for the testsuite
- 10:19:21 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-104 - Write BOM examples for the testsuite [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 10:19:53 [pauld]
- pauld: they want us to link to http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/utf_bom.html#BOM
- 10:20:08 [pauld]
- paul: informative reference?
- 10:20:24 [pauld]
- pauld: any objections?
- 10:20:58 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to add informative reference for BOM link to Unicode FAQ
- 10:20:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-105 - Add informative reference for BOM link to Unicode FAQ [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 10:21:19 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-i18n-2 : Working with Time Zones
- 10:21:59 [pauld]
- pauld: want to link to http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-timezone-20051013/
- 10:23:34 [pauld]
- pauld: looks like goodness
- 10:23:58 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to add reference to http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-timezone-20051013/
- 10:23:59 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-106 - Add reference to http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-timezone-20051013/ [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 10:24:23 [pauld]
- Topic: c-i18n-3: language type to reference BCP47
- 10:27:30 [pauld]
- reference comes from XML Schema, our spec is all boilerplate here
- 10:28:33 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to add reference to BCP47
- 10:28:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-107 - Add reference to BCP47 [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 10:29:14 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-drkm-1: XPath 2.0 and node-set
- 10:29:26 [pauld]
- pauld: used node-set but that's XPath 1.0
- 10:30:41 [pauld]
- pauld: Priscilla raised the same comment, and I trust both to be correct, however node-set is in common usage. Sequence implies order, but we don't care about order
- 10:31:16 [pauld]
- pauld: let's park this until Priscilla joins us
- 10:31:30 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-psd-1: WS-I Basic Profile compliant schema import
- 10:33:05 [pauld]
- pauld: this pattern should really be Basic, is this a significant change?
- 10:33:15 [pauld]
- gcowe: I use this pattern quite a bit
- 10:33:28 [pauld]
- pauld: only way you can import a schema and be BP compliant
- 10:33:49 [pauld]
- pauld: easy to write a constrained XPath for this commonly used pattern
- 10:34:00 [pauld]
- any objections to adding this to Basic?
- 10:34:30 [pauld]
- ACTION: pauld to add a Basic Pattern for BP compliant schema import
- 10:34:30 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - pauld
- 10:35:20 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: close lc-psd-1 as accepted
- 10:35:59 [pauld]
- Topic: c-jmarsh-1: XPath Expressions Too Complex?
- 10:36:13 [pauld]
- pauld: too many notes, your royal highness ;-)
- 10:36:55 [pauld]
- pauld: Jonathan thinks XPath is complex, wonder how he'll like moving to the terminology as well
- 10:37:19 [pauld]
- pauld: I agree, in cases such as this we can simplify the expressions
- 10:38:33 [pauld]
- pauld: @targetNamespace is not the same as .[@targetNamespace]/ (., @targetNamespace) since that returns two nodes
- 10:39:06 [pauld]
- jonc: is he asking us not to use this style where not needed?
- 10:39:20 [pauld]
- pauld: there are other XPaths which can be simplified
- 10:40:30 [pauld]
- jonc: will review the XPaths to simplify
- 10:40:56 [pauld]
- pauld: I quite like them all being the same style, would some introduction text help?
- 10:43:41 [pauld]
- pauld: but for this pattern, it is necessary to match xs:schema and targetNamesapce because we don't allow xs:schema without a targetNamespace!
- 10:44:29 [pauld]
- ACTION: jcalladi to review XPaths for unnecessary nodes being matched
- 10:44:29 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-108 - Review XPaths for unnecessary nodes being matched [on Jonathan Calladine - due 2007-02-20].
- 10:45:20 [pauld]
- pauld: will reject this comment for @targetNamespace, but accept the thrust which is to simplify the patterns where possible
- 10:45:45 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: close c-jmarsh-1 as rejected
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- Topic: lc-jmarsh-2: Schema Version Attribute
- 10:46:19 [Zakim]
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- pauld: how does it help with databinding?
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- 10:47:18 [pauld]
- jonc: assumption is we're encouraging it, we're just saying it's allowed
- 10:47:37 [pauld]
- pauld: we allowed it because it's mostly harmless, tools can ignore it
- 10:47:59 [pauld]
- pauld: can we flag patterns as being noise
- 10:48:23 [pauld]
- gcowe: would we leave it out or move it to Advanced?
- 10:48:45 [pauld]
- jonc: but it's not Advanced under our criteria of doesn't fail with tools
- 10:49:12 [JonC]
- first do no harm....
- 10:49:18 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: close lc-jmarsh-2 as rejected, subject to tools working with the pattern
- 10:49:46 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-jmarsh-3: Duplicate Listing
- 10:51:22 [pauld]
- pauld: thinks the example is demonstrating two uses of annotation, should be split
- 10:52:19 [pauld]
- pauld: do we want an ElementDocumentationElement and a SchemaDocumentationElement, etc, etc?
- 10:53:00 [pauld]
- pauld: is there value in such fine-grained patterns?
- 10:53:18 [pauld]
- gcowe: it's mostly ignored by tools anyway
- 10:54:26 [pauld]
- pauld: we could go the other way and make the example have ComplexType/xs:annotation SimpleType/xs:annotation, etc to be clear, but then that would be difficult if we moved SimpleType to Advanced at some point
- 10:54:44 [pauld]
- jonc: one pattern seems good enough
- 10:55:11 [pauld]
- pauld: it's confusing, maybe we need another test case, but simplify the example in the spec
- 10:56:14 [pauld]
- pauld: we need to test it before splitting the pattern
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- ACTION: gcowe: to split DocumentationElement example into more than one example / testcase
- 10:56:16 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - gcowe:
- 10:57:03 [Yves]
- !rehash
- 10:58:33 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-jmarsh-3
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- Topic: lc-jmarsh-4: Value of @mixed="false" etc
- 11:05:12 [JonC]
- I think we recognise the feeling here that it is the lack of problematic patterns that is of interest
- 11:05:44 [JonC]
- but it is not what the basic patterns document is really about
- 11:05:52 [pauld]
- pauld: the pattern is Basic if tools swallow it without barfing
- 11:07:21 [pauld]
- pauld: is the @mixed!='true' really saying //@mixed!='true'
- 11:08:19 [pauld]
- Jonc: it's a slippery slope
- 11:08:49 [pauld]
- pauld: seen schemas which generate this and other defaults explicitly and interoperate
- 11:09:19 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-jmarsh-4 rejected
- 11:09:43 [pauld]
- pauld: it's like ROOM 101
- 11:10:13 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-jmarsh-5: Grouping of R2800 and R2112
- 11:12:43 [pauld]
- pauld: puzzled - R2112 is something we allow, but BP doesn't whereas R2800 is vice-versa
- 11:12:50 [pauld]
- pauld: let
- 11:13:23 [pauld]
- s/let/let's reject it and get Jonathan to explain why, he is a BP expert after all!/
- 11:13:54 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-jmarsh-5 rejected
- 11:14:57 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-Microsoft-1: Support for Attributes
- 11:18:19 [pauld]
- jonc: we're about what works with toolkits now, not what might be removed in the future
- 11:19:09 [pauld]
- gcowe: we find attributes useful, certainly we don't want to move away from them
- 11:19:23 [JonC]
- also think that we have never been in the business of setting the bar so very low
- 11:19:48 [pauld]
- pauld: I'd be sympathetic if there was a "state of the art" toolkit which didn't handle them.
- 11:20:29 [pauld]
- pauld: under our way of working, attributes are fine, but I think it's an interesting comment, and a warning things may be more constrained
- 11:21:08 [pauld]
- pauld: I'd like to be able to round-trip to JSON without an infoset, and such a constraint would help greatly
- 11:21:35 [JonC]
- we have identified issues with attributes and marked as advanced this is the way forward not removing support for them entirely
- 11:21:52 [pauld]
- pauld: our testing will help here
- 11:22:43 [pauld]
- pauld: nothing to stop Microsoft publishing their own "Very Basic" document using our patterns, or a few of them, anyway
- 11:23:20 [pauld]
- pauld: actually that's something we'd encourage, vendors being more explicit about which patterns are or are not supported
- 11:23:40 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-Microsoft-1 rejected
- 11:24:07 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-Microsoft-2: Element References
- 11:24:43 [pauld]
- pauld: worries me because I use it to wrap example elements into the test suite WSDL
- 11:24:53 [pauld]
- jonc: all our schemas contain them
- 11:25:35 [pauld]
- pauld: I think it's a valid constraint though, and there are no natural equivalent in most modern programming languages (C pointers anyone?)
- 11:25:55 [pauld]
- pauld: well, not to a type, that is
- 11:26:01 [JonC]
- but what toolkit fails with them?
- 11:26:42 [pauld]
- pauld: exactly, that's our criteria
- 11:28:14 [pauld]
- discussion of mapping global elements to programming languages
- 11:29:09 [pauld]
- if a sequence contains elements from a different namespace, what's the mapping to a C£/Java class?
- 11:29:23 [pauld]
- pauld: .NET annotations cope with this, no?
- 11:30:00 [pauld]
- pauld: do we need a test case for crossing namespaces, or tighten the pattern to just within the same namespace?
- 11:30:38 [pauld]
- pauld: nervous of defining such patterns as they need a component model to span schemas
- 11:31:43 [pauld]
- gcowe: do we need an example of spanning multiple namespaces?
- 11:33:26 [pauld]
- pauld: propose we split this pattern to "within the same schema document" and "across schemas" not namespaces, and then have an example to test this
- 11:33:50 [pauld]
- pauld: OK, we'll keep this open, subject to testing
- 11:34:14 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to split ElementReference into two patterns
- 11:34:14 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-110 - Split ElementReference into two patterns [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 11:34:26 [pauld]
- s/£/#/
- 11:35:26 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-Microsoft-3: Nested Sequences and sequences other than minOccurs=maxOccurs=1
- 11:38:23 [pauld]
- pauld: I think they're being helpful, are we being too fine-grained here?
- 11:38:40 [pauld]
- s/being too/too/
- 11:39:21 [pauld]
- gcowe: it's complexity that's needed
- 11:41:30 [pauld]
- jonc: is maxOccurs=1 a typeo
- 11:41:52 [pauld]
- gcowe: think this is pushing wrapped for repeated elements
- 11:42:22 [pauld]
- .. modelling tools don't always generate wrapped arrays
- 11:42:39 [pauld]
- jonc: we may end up making bare arrays advanced subject to testing
- 11:42:56 [pauld]
- pauld: let's hold off on this subject to testing
- 11:43:52 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-Microsoft-4: schemaLocation
- 11:44:15 [pauld]
- pauld: big +1 to that
- 11:44:48 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-Microsoft-4 accepted
- 11:45:12 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to add advice that schemaLocation is a hint
- 11:45:12 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-111 - Add advice that schemaLocation is a hint [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 11:45:53 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-Microsoft-5: maxOccurs=finite
- 11:46:21 [pauld]
- pauld: I agree with the comment!
- 11:46:36 [pauld]
- gcowe: we need this for our schemas
- 11:47:04 [pauld]
- jonc: our criteria is if tools don't reject it it's basic
- 11:47:12 [pauld]
- pauld: zero, one, many
- 11:47:46 [pauld]
- pauld: few tools do validation, or build an array[3] anymore, well 'C' might
- 11:48:26 [pauld]
- pauld: hold this open subject to testing
- 11:49:28 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-Microsoft-6: Null enumerations
- 11:50:38 [pauld]
- this came from an X.694 inspired contribution
- 11:51:02 [pauld]
- pauld: it's valid schema, comment asks if it's useful
- 11:51:49 [pauld]
- do we have to justify use of patterns in the spec?
- 11:52:34 [pauld]
- .. it is listed as a "
- 11:52:47 [pauld]
- .. way of saying a value is Null
- 11:52:57 [pauld]
- .. always Null in X.694
- 11:53:19 [pauld]
- pauld: it is fairly Zen though, sound of no data passing
- 11:53:55 [pauld]
- pauld: what does it mean to accept this comment
- 11:54:05 [pauld]
- s/ent/ent?/
- 11:55:34 [pauld]
- pauld: will write back and explain the origin, will remain in the spec subject to testing, but i suspect one tool at least doesn't support it, so it's toast
- 11:55:53 [JonC]
- advanced toast anyway
- 11:56:11 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-Microsoft-6 accpeted
- 11:56:22 [pauld]
- s/accpeted/accepted/
- 11:56:26 [pauld]
- LUNCH!
- 11:56:37 [pauld]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Topic: lc-Microsoft-7: Mixing elements maxOccurs=1 and maxOccurs>1 ...
- 13:38:51 [pauld]
- Jonc: bare arrays
- 13:38:52 [pauld]
- pauld:
- 13:39:21 [pauld]
- s/pauld:/pauld: "Bare arrays do not support the distinction between null arrays and empty arrays"
- 13:39:35 [pauld]
- .. seems like a valid comment from a code-first POV
- 13:39:52 [pauld]
- .. you can't send a null array with a bare array
- 13:40:33 [pauld]
- pauld: we've decided not to offer advice on chosing a pattern, is this a special case?
- 13:41:16 [JonC]
- also valid comment from a efficiency/productivity POV e.g. XSLT
- 13:41:37 [pauld]
- pauld: i don't understand the efficiency comment
- 13:41:54 [pauld]
- jonc: tools don't bail on this
- 13:42:07 [pauld]
- pauld: sounds like a "Design Consideration"
- 13:43:31 [pauld]
- pauld: maybe the XSLT comment referds to A* B* C* A*
- 13:44:34 [pauld]
- pauld: seems like I might elect not to use this pattern, but does that mean that schemas which exhibit this pattern are rejected by tools?
- 13:45:16 [pauld]
- pauld: how strongly do people feel about this? Do we need more information, how widely used is the pattern?
- 13:45:40 [pauld]
- gcowe: we use it
- 13:45:47 [JonC]
- sounds more like best practice recommendation ???
- 13:45:51 [pauld]
- pauld: and you're a member of the WG!
- 13:48:45 [pauld]
- pauld: it's in our spec, to lose it we have to demonstrate lack of support. To accept the comment we have to change the way we work. I might not like this pattern but if it works with tools and is used in Schemas in the wild, then it's basic.
- 13:49:46 [pauld]
- jonc: we're going to continue using wrapped as our default, but don't see any reason to remove as yet
- 13:50:15 [pauld]
- pauld: let's keep it open, subject to testing
- 13:50:52 [pauld]
- Topic: c-Microsoft-8: Mixing elements maxOccurs=1 and maxOccurs>1 in the same inheritance chain
- 13:51:02 [pauld]
- s/c-Mi/lc-Mi/
- 13:51:57 [pauld]
- pauld: a challenge to write an XPath for this across multiple schema documents, but is the comment valid?
- 13:52:38 [pauld]
- pauld: in some ways depends upon lc-Microsoft-7
- 13:52:53 [pauld]
- pauld: do we have a test case?
- 13:53:26 [pauld]
- ACTION: gcowe to write a test case for lc-Microsoft-7
- 13:53:27 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-112 - Write a test case for lc-Microsoft-7 [on George Cowe - due 2007-02-20].
- 13:54:51 [pauld]
- gcowe: action is for lc-Microsoft-8, no?
- 13:54:57 [pauld]
- pauld: d'oh!
- 13:56:08 [pauld]
- Topic: Report Bashing
- 13:56:25 [pauld]
- gcowe: patterns detection stylesheet,
- 13:58:14 [pauld]
- gcowe: can we reference a stylesheet for the output?
- 13:58:27 [pauld]
- pauld: prefer to do that server side
- 13:59:00 [pauld]
- ACTION: ylafon to make patteerns detection service run stylesheet
- 13:59:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-113 - Make patteerns detection service run stylesheet [on Yves Lafon - due 2007-02-20].
- 13:59:18 [pauld]
- s/Report Bashing/Pattern Detection Service/
- 13:59:42 [pauld]
- gcowe: I have a version which works with file upload and URI
- 14:00:25 [pauld]
- yves: can we provide the source / war file for people wanting to run this for themselves
- 14:00:30 [pauld]
- gcoew: that's fine
- 14:00:41 [pauld]
- s/gcoew/gcowe/
- 14:01:13 [pauld]
- pauld: what about the "freshness" of the patterns.xml file used, where does it come from?
- 14:01:54 [pauld]
- ylafon: service runs from a copy of the stylesheet
- 14:02:08 [pauld]
- pauld: how do we get changes propogated?
- 14:03:35 [pauld]
- pauld: can we put the source code war file rollup into the WG CVS?
- 14:04:29 [pauld]
- gcowe: we could make the service pickup the live version, and make that configurable
- 14:05:11 [pauld]
- ACTION: gcowe to make the detection service pick up the live stylesheet, configurably
- 14:05:11 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-114 - Make the detection service pick up the live stylesheet, configurably [on George Cowe - due 2007-02-20].
- 14:06:01 [pauld]
- ACTION: gcowe to put patterns detection source code into WG CVS
- 14:06:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-115 - Put patterns detection source code into WG CVS [on George Cowe - due 2007-02-20].
- 14:06:28 [pauld]
- pauld: when do we go live / announce the service?
- 14:07:41 [pauld]
- yves: not tied to publication of our documents
- 14:08:14 [pauld]
- pauld: plan to announce it with publication of our reports
- 14:09:57 [pauld]
- pauld: do we conisder bundling WS-I BP in our service?
- 14:10:25 [pauld]
- s/conisder/consider/
- 14:10:40 [pauld]
- TBD
- 14:11:17 [pauld]
- Topic: Testing Workshop
- 14:11:37 [pauld]
- WG looks at Axis and the testsuite
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- zakim, this will be schema
- 15:00:29 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, pauld
- 15:01:13 [pauld]
- zakim, teleconferences?
- 15:01:15 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, pauld.
- 15:01:33 [pauld]
- trackbot, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be DBWG
- 15:01:38 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
- 15:01:38 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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- Date: 13 February 2007
- 15:02:18 [pauld]
- zakim, code?
- 15:02:21 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
- 15:03:02 [Zakim]
- WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +[Sophia]
- 15:03:23 [pauld]
- Meeting: Databinding F2F (Tuesday)
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- + +1.231.218.aaaa
- 15:03:59 [pauld]
- zakim, aaaa is pwalmsley
- 15:03:59 [Zakim]
- +pwalmsley; got it
- 15:04:15 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-1: Document or Element Node
- 15:04:57 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-pwalmsley-1 accpeted
- 15:05:14 [pauld]
- s/accpe/accep/
- 15:05:38 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: ok with me!
- 15:05:52 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to edit lc-pwalmsley-1
- 15:05:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-117 - Edit lc-pwalmsley-1 [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 15:06:23 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-2: "node-set" should be "sequence"
- 15:07:23 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: term node-set isn't used in XPath, is order significant
- 15:07:28 [pauld]
- pauld: no
- 15:07:57 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-pwalmsley-2 accepted
- 15:08:12 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to edit lc-pwalmsley-2
- 15:08:12 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-118 - Edit lc-pwalmsley-2 [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 15:08:39 [pauld]
- pauld: also closes lc-drkm-1: XPath 2.0 and node-set ?
- 15:09:08 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-3: QualifiedLocalElements
- 15:09:22 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: example doesn't have any elements
- 15:11:10 [pauld]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-patterns/#pattern-QualifiedLocalElements
- 15:11:19 [pauld]
- name of the pattern is misleading?
- 15:11:40 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: don't feel strongly, we can just leave it
- 15:12:37 [pauld]
- pauld: we have an assertion: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-patterns/#assert-QualifiedLocalElements-summary
- 15:13:29 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-pwalmsley-3 rejected
- 15:13:38 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: OK with this
- 15:14:30 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-5: ElementFinal
- 15:15:22 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-5
- 15:15:32 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: OK with this
- 15:16:01 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-6: ImportTypesNamespace
- 15:17:50 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: might be invalid use of schema
- 15:19:19 [pauld]
- pauld: trying to capture a common pattern used within WSDL
- 15:20:43 [pauld]
- pauld: maybe we could add another clause to capture self reference in (@namespace = ../xs:schema/@targetNamespace)]
- 15:20:56 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: that would be an invalid schema
- 15:21:20 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: rejected lc-pwalmsley-6
- 15:21:28 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: I'm OK with that
- 15:22:32 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-7: GlobalElement and GlobalAttribute
- 15:22:42 [pauld]
- pauld: exists not to fire the catchall
- 15:22:52 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: might not be necessary
- 15:23:42 [pwalmsley]
- ./xs:element[@name and @type and contains(@type, ':')]/ (., @name, @type)
- 15:24:03 [pauld]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xmlschema-patterns-20061122/#group-GlobalElement
- 15:25:22 [pauld]
- pauld: simplifying is goodness
- 15:26:07 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to remove @name and @type from GlobalAttribute and GlobalElement
- 15:26:08 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-119 - Remove @name and @type from GlobalAttribute and GlobalElement [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-20].
- 15:26:27 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-7
- 15:26:39 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: OK with that!
- 15:26:59 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-8: @type colon
- 15:27:36 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: a client also encountered this issue, so happy to withdraw the comment
- 15:27:45 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-pwalmsley-8 rejected
- 15:28:16 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-9: GlobalElementSequence
- 15:28:38 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accepted lc-pwalmsley-9
- 15:28:58 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: I'm OK with that!
- 15:29:15 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-10: ElementMaxOccursFinite
- 15:29:32 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: rejected lc-pwalmsley-10
- 15:29:42 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: I'm OK, it's incorrect
- 15:29:59 [pwalmsley]
- .//xs:element[@maxOccurs != ('0','1','unbounded')]
- 15:31:20 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: other comment in the mail on global element sequence - please ignore
- 15:31:47 [pauld]
- s/rejected lc-pwalmsley-10/accepted lc-pwalmsley-10/
- 15:32:09 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-11: ElementEmptySequence @name
- 15:32:17 [pauld]
- pauld: similar issue
- 15:32:32 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-11
- 15:33:04 [pauld]
- Tooic: lc-pwalmsley-12: ElementEmptySequence not(node())
- 15:33:12 [pauld]
- s/Tooic/Topic/
- 15:34:29 [pauld]
- pauld: not (* except xs:annotation) seems good
- 15:34:56 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-12
- 15:35:37 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-13, lc-pwalmsley-14:
- 15:35:46 [pauld]
- pauld: we've been here before!
- 15:35:57 [pwalmsley]
- analogous to 11 and 12
- 15:36:09 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-13, lc-pwalmsley-14
- 15:36:31 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-15: Global SimpleType Declarations
- 15:36:53 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: it's editorial, wording
- 15:37:08 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-15
- 15:37:25 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-16: GlobalSimpleType and GlobalComplexType
- 15:37:31 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: same again!
- 15:37:43 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: accept lc-pwalmsley-16
- 15:38:07 [pauld]
- Topic: lc-pwalmsley-17: StringEnumerationType
- 15:38:16 [pwalmsley]
- withdrawn
- 15:38:23 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: withdraw that one, cathcall picks it up
- 15:38:32 [pauld]
- RESOLUTION: lc-pwalmsley-17 rejected
- 15:40:28 [pauld]
- pwalmsley: I'm OK with all the resolutions!
- 15:41:17 [pauld]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 15:41:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-databinding-minutes.html pauld
- 15:42:46 [Zakim]
- -pwalmsley
- 15:42:51 [Zakim]
- -[Sophia]
- 15:42:52 [Zakim]
- WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
- 15:42:54 [Zakim]
- Attendees were [Sophia], +1.231.218.aaaa, pwalmsley
- 15:43:06 [pauld]
- pauld: thanks Priscilla, much valued comments!
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