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16:01:21 <HarryH> Wait a sec checking in new Agenda rdf for Zakim..
16:01:29 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:01:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:01:33 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #grddl-wg
16:01:40 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnClark, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck
16:01:49 <HarryH> Give me one sec...
16:01:54 <chimezie> I will scribe
16:02:22 <Zakim> +HarryH
16:02:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:58 <briansuda> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is briansuda
16:02:59 <Zakim> +??P30
16:03:14 <briansuda> Zakim, +??P30 is briansuda
16:03:16 <HarryH> Zakim, this is grddl
16:03:18 <benadida> benadida has joined #grddl-wg
16:03:19 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:03:29 <Zakim> +DanC
16:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+??P30'
16:03:37 <Zakim> HarryH, this was already SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
16:03:41 <HarryH> zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
16:03:43 <Zakim> ok, HarryH; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
16:03:49 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
16:03:51 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
16:03:53 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-02-07T11:00-0500
16:03:53 <bwm> bwm has joined #grddl-wg
16:03:55 <Zakim> agendum 9 added
16:03:57 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-http-header-links]
16:03:57 <briansuda> Zakim, +P30 is briansuda
16:03:59 <Zakim> agendum 10 added
16:04:01 <Zakim> agenda+ Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents
16:04:02 <benadida> zakim, mute me
16:04:03 <Zakim> agendum 11 added
16:04:05 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
16:04:06 <benadida> yes!
16:04:07 <Zakim> agendum 12 added
16:04:09 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-mt-ns]
16:04:16 <Zakim> agendum 13 added
16:04:20 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-base-param]
16:04:22 <Zakim> agendum 14 added
16:04:22 <benadida> I muted myself as there may be ambient noise here
16:04:24 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer Document
16:04:26 <Zakim> agendum 15 added
16:04:28 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: General issues
16:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 16 added
16:04:30 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:04:32 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
16:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+P30'
16:04:36 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should now be muted
16:04:36 <HarryH> Meeting: GRDDL Working Group
16:04:38 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
16:04:41 <HarryH> Chair: Harry Halpin
16:04:45 <HarryH> Scribe: Chime
16:04:50 <Zakim> +??P38
16:04:51 <HarryH> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
16:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnClark, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, HarryH, [IPcaller], ??P30, DanC, Ben_Adida (muted), ??P38
16:04:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-02-07T11:00-0500" taken up
16:04:59 <Zakim> +??P39
16:05:00 <bwm> Zakim, ??p38 is bwm
16:05:01 <Zakim> +bwm; got it
16:05:01 <Simone> Zakim, +??P38 i Simone
16:05:03 <Zakim> I don't understand '+??P38 i Simone', Simone
16:05:14 <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0023.html
16:05:17 <john-l> Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja
16:05:17 <Zakim> +danja; got it
16:05:27 <DanC> (better to cite the archived version of the agenda for the record)
16:05:41 <john-l> (That's correct, Danny, right?)
16:05:51 <danja> I think so - thanks
16:06:14 <briansuda> Zakim, +??P30 is briansuda
16:06:14 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+??P30'
16:06:19 <john-l> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:06:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnClark, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, HarryH, danja, ??P30, DanC, Ben_Adida (muted), bwm, ??P39
16:06:20 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 31 Jan 2007 as a true record: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/att-0017/31-grddl-wg-minutes-edited.html
16:06:31 <Simone> Zakim, ??P39 is Simone
16:06:31 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:06:35 <briansuda> Zakim, ??P30 is briansuda
16:06:35 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
16:06:54 <john-l> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:06:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnClark, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, HarryH, danja, briansuda, DanC, Ben_Adida (muted), bwm, Simone
16:07:03 <chimezie> RESOLUTION: GRDDL WG Weekly minutes from 31 Jan, 2007 approved
16:07:54 <HarryH> Zakim, next item 
16:07:54 <Zakim> agendum 2. "[#issue-http-header-links]" taken up
16:08:06 <DanC> Regrets+ IanD
16:08:25 <DanC> Ian's action is done to my satisfaction
16:09:08 <bwm> q+
16:09:08 <chimezie> I think it is close to out of scope
16:09:20 <chimezie> and I'm concerned about outstanding effort (rec tracks and such)
16:09:25 <Simone> Zakim, mute me
16:09:26 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
16:09:27 <chimezie> HarryH:  doesn't think it is out of scope
16:09:31 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0018.html
16:09:41 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0019.html
16:09:46 <chimezie> DanC: It's a good thing to do.  Not sufficiently important to implement
16:09:52 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0020.html
16:10:01 <chimezie> DanC: Asked a few people, some implementers think it is a good thing to do
16:10:29 <chimezie> DanC: Correction: Not sufficiently implemented
16:10:45 <DanC> DanC: I have not yet found inspiration to implement it
16:11:02 <chimezie> HarryH: We have to consider last call timeline
16:11:03 <DanC> ack bwm
16:11:11 <HarryH> Will people find inspiration to implement before Last Call is finished?
16:11:13 <bwm> Zakim, unmute simone
16:11:13 <Zakim> Simone should no longer be muted
16:11:29 <DanC> Zakim, Simone is bwm2
16:11:29 <Zakim> +bwm2; got it
16:11:35 <DanC> Zakim, bwm is Simone
16:11:35 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:11:41 <DanC> Zakim, bwm2 is bwm
16:11:41 <Zakim> +bwm; got it
16:12:03 <chimezie> bwm: Had a brief word with Jeremy.  No strong opinion on if it is a good thing.  Recommends a short time to implement. Will back off if runs into trouble 
16:12:12 <chimezie> bwm: How will we test this
16:12:37 <chimezie> bwm: Can we configure the test server to support test cases?
16:12:40 <HarryH> This test-case would require W3C Staff Contact (DanC) to change .htaccess
16:13:01 <chimezie> Test cases are needed if we go forward with this 
16:13:02 <DanC> harry, don't put words in my mouth. anybody with cvs access can edit .htaccess. bwm has cvs access.
16:13:08 <chimezie> bwm: Dependencies on IETF
16:13:12 <HarryH> That's me who said that :)
16:13:14 <HarryH> Not DanC
16:13:31 <chimezie> danja: How does this relate to mnot's proposal?
16:13:53 <chimezie> DanC: Link header is registered, the profile is not
16:13:56 <HarryH> s/DanC/somebody
16:14:16 <chimezie> danja: In favor of accepting subject to a test case and IETF acceptance
16:14:47 <chimezie> DanC: any volunteers for testing and such?
16:15:02 <chimezie> HarryH: Nervous about .htaccess configuration
16:15:25 <chimezie> bwm: Jeremy suggested creating a test case and configuring .htaccess
16:15:50 <chimezie> DanC: IanD has done everything we asked for this proposal
16:16:43 <chimezie> ACTION: bwm (Jeremy) attempt a usecase
16:16:56 <HarryH> s/usecase/test-case
16:17:02 <DanC> (harry, I think this is the chair's call... do you detect a critical mass of support? if so, do a straw poll and/or put the question.)
16:17:29 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone
16:17:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', HarryH
16:17:40 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:17:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnClark, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, HarryH, danja, briansuda, DanC, Ben_Adida (muted), Simone, bwm
16:18:28 <benadida> zakim, unmute me
16:18:28 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
16:18:44 <HarryH> 6 yeses, 1 no.
16:18:47 <benadida> zakim, mute me
16:18:47 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should now be muted
16:18:56 <HarryH> 7 yeses, 1 no.
16:19:04 <HarryH> 1 absention
16:19:06 <bwm> actually 6 yeses, 1 concur and 1 no
16:19:12 <bwm> and one abstain
16:19:13 <john-l> heh
16:19:53 <DanC> PROPOSED: to add the GRDDL header to the GRDDL spec and test suite, per IanD's proposal [@@link] contingent on IETF registration of Profile header
16:21:58 <HarryH> Chime objects.
16:22:35 <chimezie> DanC: thinks this is a now or never situation
16:22:54 <HarryH> Chime is concerned about testing and dependencies on protocol-level.
16:23:49 <HarryH>  PROPOSED: to add the GRDDL header to the GRDDL spec and test suite, per IanD's proposal [@@link] contingent on IETF registration of Profile header and feeedback from bwm/jeremy's test-case creation.
16:23:53 <chimezie> HarryH: add to proposal other dependencies (IETF,e tc)
16:23:59 <DanC> PROPOSED: to add the GRDDL header to the GRDDL spec, per IanD's proposal [@@link] contingent on IETF registration of Profile header, and on succesful test experience
16:24:41 <chimezie> I'm comfortable with a criteria to back out (as it is in the proposal)
16:25:04 <HarryH> Ben Adida - testing for conesnsu?
16:25:08 <HarryH> on that proposal - yes or no?
16:25:09 <benadida> abstain, but sounds good overall
16:25:25 <HarryH> 1 absention, everyone else consensus.
16:25:45 <HarryH> Agreement to drop Ian's proposal if either IETF and test-case runs into difficulties. 
16:25:56 <DanC> so RESOLVED
16:26:08 <HarryH> RESOLVED: to add the GRDDL header to the GRDDL spec, per IanD's proposal [@@link] contingent on IETF registration of Profile header, and on succesful test experience
16:26:13 <DanC> (I search for "RESOLVED" when doing editing stuff.)
16:26:31 <HarryH> RESOLUTION: to add the GRDDL header to the GRDDL spec, per IanD's proposal [@@link] contingent on IETF registration of Profile header, and on succesful test experience
16:26:47 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:26:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up
16:26:58 <benadida> zakim, unmute me
16:26:58 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
16:27:09 <HarryH> CVS access?
16:27:25 <chimezie> benadida: No time to add / edit RDF/a test cases
16:27:40 <chimezie> bwm: Has CVS access
16:27:50 <benadida> continued
16:27:55 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-mt-ns
16:28:18 <HarryH> This issue is still unresolved.
16:28:28 <HarryH> Need to figure out what it would take to resolve it.
16:28:45 <benadida> zakim, mute me
16:28:45 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should now be muted
16:30:09 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
16:30:09 <Zakim> agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
16:30:17 <HarryH> What would require to close this?
16:31:53 <HarryH> DanC: faithful-infoset has split off, test case needs to be done.
16:32:08 <HarryH> DanC: has had some inspiration.
16:32:15 <HarryH> Chime: mentions John Clarks' suggestion.
16:32:26 <HarryH> DanC: Make two tests, large test and result test.
16:32:37 <HarryH> s/result test/small test
16:33:10 <HarryH> DanC: slot for implemenation in test-suite includes flags for options like XInclude
16:33:33 <HarryH> HarryH: flags are controlled by harness commandline
16:33:48 <HarryH> DanC: Suggets two tests.
16:34:14 <chimezie> There are tests which have XInclude directives
16:35:22 <DanC> xinclude test is in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3
16:36:35 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3.html#xinclude
16:36:38 <chimezie> ... ongoing conversation about setting up for testing faithful-infoset issues XInclude ..
16:36:46 <danja> Zakim, mute me
16:36:46 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
16:37:08 <DanC> ACTION: Chime to work on details of 2 allowed results of xinclude test [CONTINUES]
16:37:16 <DanC> danc suggests 2 tests that share an input
16:38:02 <HarryH> Back to issue-mt-ns:
16:38:11 <HarryH> how a GRDDL client interacts with a document whose root element is an XSLT literal result element
16:38:17 <HarryH> Jeremy suggests we duck. 
16:38:48 <HarryH> Chime: bwm raised concerns with various other contents.
16:39:22 <chimezie> DanC: is fine with issue-mt-ns issues with regards to bwm
16:39:24 <HarryH> ACTION: To review #issue-mt-ns to see if comments still needed.
16:39:29 <chimezie> bwm: it might be a moot issue
16:39:41 <chimezie> .. reading through items in issue-mt-ns ..
16:40:12 <HarryH> whether RDF/XML statements labelled as application/xml constitute a "document whose meaning includes the RDF statement ... we decided "yes" you can sniff root-node.
16:40:21 <HarryH> what happens if data-view:transformation is given on an rdf:RDF root element
16:40:38 <HarryH> DanC: My feeling is spec says that there is another GRDDL result.
16:40:52 <HarryH> DanC: thinks we ignore result from that.
16:41:03 <HarryH> Chime: I think we'd treat it as XML GRDDL Source.
16:41:06 <HarryH> This sounds like a test-case.
16:41:42 <chimezie> DanC: green boxes in spec addresses issue
16:42:06 <DanC> PROPSED: that the current rules address issue-mt-ns
16:42:26 <chimezie> DanC: don't need a test case to decide
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16:43:05 <chimezie> bwm: Rules don't call out rdf:RDF so we are fine
16:43:12 <DanC> "If an information resource IR is represented by a conforming RDF/XML document[RDFX], then the RDF graph represented by that document is a GRDDL result of IR"
16:46:04 <chimezie> DanC: implementors may have their own policy
16:46:11 <chimezie> HarryH: we may need more test cases
16:47:00 <HarryH> Chime: Should we mess two test-cases
16:47:23 <HarryH> Chime: is this dependent on mime-types?
16:47:34 <HarryH> Any takers?
16:47:52 <chimezie> DanC: leave testing in 'someday pile'
16:48:09 <chimezie> HarryH: don't want last call dependent on this case
16:48:38 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH I'll take on this test-case.
16:48:59 <HarryH> ACTION: Harry to make 2 test-cases for "what happens if data-view:transformation is given on an rdf:RDF root elemen" serving two different media-types
16:50:28 <benadida> (I have to run in 5 minutes, seminar.)
16:50:37 <chimezie> HarryH:  3 options..
16:50:51 <chimezie> HarryH: just RDF graph, just the extracted RDF, the merge of both
16:51:38 <chimezie> bwm: test 1: RDF graph itself, test2: just the extracted RDF
16:52:33 <HarryH> all 3 should be written.
16:53:17 <chimezie> DanC: don't multiplex multiple outputs from a *single* test case
16:53:33 <HarryH> PROPOSAL: The current text of the editor's draft adequately addresses #issue-mt-ns
16:53:36 <DanC> PROPSED: that the current rules (1.206) address issue-mt-ns
16:53:50 <HarryH> PROPOSED: The current text and rules of the editor's draft adequately addresses #issue-mt-ns
16:54:28 <benadida> abstain
16:54:31 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
16:54:31 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
16:54:49 <HarryH> RESOLVED:  The current text and rules of the editor's draft adequately addresses #issue-mt-ns
16:54:54 <HarryH> 2 abstains
16:55:16 <rreck> rreck abstains
16:55:20 <HarryH> BenA and Ron abstrains.
16:55:55 <benadida> gotta run, I'll read minutes for further discussions.
16:56:07 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
16:56:34 <HarryH> 'open world assumption' in testing...
16:56:49 <rreck> victory
16:56:52 <DanC> whee! we closed the last issue!
16:56:55 <john-l> Hooah
16:57:01 <chimezie> We have vanquished the spec demons!
16:57:10 <bwm> Harumph!
16:57:21 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:57:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up
16:57:27 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 4
16:57:27 <Zakim> agendum 4. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
16:58:10 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#txforms
17:00:08 <benadida> benadida has left #grddl-wg
17:01:16 <DanC> ACTION:DanC to write rules about XSLT 1.0 processing context [DONE]
17:01:37 <DanC> ACTION:BenA to write a sample hGRDDL transformation [WITHDRAWN]
17:01:53 <chimezie> DanC: GRDDL agent protocol trace give enough guidance to implementors for issue-output-formats
17:02:12 <DanC> (enough... I hope)
17:02:26 <chimezie> bwm: does test server does con-neg?
17:03:00 <chimezie> bwm: change test manifest to allow a test to do content negotiation for a particular mime-type
17:03:39 <chimezie> bwm: replace URI with bnode (place holder for URI and mime-type)
17:03:49 <chimezie> DanC: why not add a field for accept header
17:03:55 <Zakim> -Simone
17:05:14 <HarryH> Just keep me public-grddl-wg updated with progress,.
17:05:21 <HarryH> Zakim, open issue 6
17:05:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open issue 6', HarryH
17:05:25 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
17:05:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
17:05:31 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
17:05:31 <Zakim> agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
17:05:41 <Simone> Zakim, passcode?
17:05:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 47335 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone
17:05:59 <chimezie> bwm: manifest (for tests) any mechanical linkage between the hosted HTML and ...
17:06:05 <chimezie> DanC: there is a makefile
17:06:07 <HarryH> makefile gets RDF out of HTML test file html
17:06:18 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
17:06:18 <Zakim> agendum 6. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
17:06:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:06:51 <HarryH> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is Simone
17:06:52 <Zakim> sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
17:06:55 <john-l> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Simone
17:06:55 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
17:06:58 <Simone> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is Simone
17:06:58 <Zakim> sorry, Simone, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
17:07:03 <chimezie> I thought base-param issue was closed
17:07:13 <DanC> baseURI.rdf revision 1.2 date: 2007/02/07 15:12:09
17:07:45 <DanC> revision 1.3 date: 2007/02/07 14:20:14 baseURI.html bwm: Fixed grddl:transformation attribute to point to correct transform
17:08:34 <HarryH> Anyone want to check this?
17:08:51 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to double-check bwm's test-case
17:09:03 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 7
17:09:03 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Primer Document" taken up
17:09:37 <chimezie> the text has been sent to the listserv
17:09:47 <HarryH> Jan 31st.
17:09:51 <DanC> GRDDL XML use case http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0086.html
17:10:00 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to check that into primer
17:10:11 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
17:10:11 <Zakim> agendum 8. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
17:10:14 <DanC> ACTION: Chime to propose some primer text for the hl7 case [DONE]
17:10:16 <bwm> bwm has joined #grddl-wg
17:10:27 <HarryH> Chime: Concern about terms in rules.
17:10:35 <HarryH> Chime: In particular, rules that generating functions.
17:10:42 <chimezie> log:uri
17:10:50 <chimezie> log:includes
17:11:29 <HarryH> Chime: Thinks logi:uri/log:includes need more explanation as they are generating, i.e. logical functions
17:11:41 <HarryH> DanC: Not sure what Chime means, thinks they "refer to two terms in a graph"
17:12:04 <HarryH> Chime: Produces example where one part of relation is a string
17:12:08 <HarryH> DanC: String is in graph
17:12:32 <HarryH> DanC: Explanation in separate file?
17:12:58 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec_rules
17:13:12 <HarryH> Chime: Documentation is a proof.
17:13:15 <DanC> "# log http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#. @@explain log:uri in terms of [WEBARCH]"
17:13:21 <HarryH> Chime: wants human-readable text as well.
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17:14:22 <HarryH> SPARQL Query patterns describe rule parts
17:15:09 <Zakim> -bwm
17:15:18 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
17:15:19 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 7
17:15:20 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Primer Document" taken up
17:15:30 <DanC> ACTION: IanD to sort out SPARQL Query [DONE]
17:15:41 <chimezie> I will pick up scribe cleanup duties when I return 
17:15:53 <DanC> cool, chimezie 
17:15:53 <HarryH> Fabien?
17:16:01 <DanC> HH: I made some progress on ACTION: Harry to add Jane schedule to RDFa
17:16:06 <FabienG> Yes
17:16:23 <HarryH> Slight issue with your XSLT.
17:16:32 <HarryH> See my e-mail and example, see if you can help me sort this:
17:17:11 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0043.html
17:17:29 <HarryH> Fabien, can you take my action over here?
17:17:37 <FabienG> I saw your email, I haven't check the details but I think my XSLT is missing that case.
17:17:49 <HarryH> Just fix that and we're in business for RDFa in Primer.
17:18:31 <HarryH> Primer a note or should we go through W3C Rec?
17:19:16 <HarryH> DanC - want document to teach you GRDDL easy to find.
17:19:40 <FabienG> I should have a day off Sunday, I will try to find the time to adress that if I have electricity.
17:20:28 <HarryH> FabienG if you don't have electriciy or I see no actions I can check in changes.
17:21:26 <HarryH> I'll just wait till after Sunday - comments from Ronald and new use-case from Ian.
17:21:51 <HarryH> ACTION: Danja to read primer and give us thumbs up or thumbs down.
17:22:03 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html Revision 1.37  2007/02/07 15:09:22
17:22:30 <FabienG> Yes, if I ever happen to be in the critical path, just short-cut me.
17:23:31 <HarryH> Fabien, can you make it to next meeting?
17:23:36 <HarryH> live over telecon?
17:23:41 <DanC> Fabien, any strong feelings on whether to take the use cases document to REC or to WG Note?
17:23:57 <DanC> I lean, mildly, toward WG Note for workload reasons.
17:24:29 <DanC> we can wait for you to think about it a bit
17:24:32 <HarryH> I'd like to see it Rec due to GRDDL Charter including use-cases. 
17:24:36 <john-l> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0038.html for some review of that document (new today).
17:24:57 <FabienG> I have no strong feeling: I don't realize what difference it makes for a use case document.
17:25:23 <DanC> John's use case review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0038.html
17:25:38 <briansuda> i can
17:25:52 <FabienG> I won't be able to make it to the next telecon, I will be in the plane on my way back to France.
17:25:52 <HarryH> ACTION: Danja and BrianSuda to read Use-Case Document
17:26:05 <DanC> ok, noted, Fabien
17:26:27 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
17:26:28 <Zakim> agendum 8. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
17:26:51 <HarryH> # ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL [CLOSED]
17:26:51 <DanC> ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL [DONE]
17:27:13 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec [DONE]
17:28:09 <HarryH> ACTION: John and Danja to read and give thumbs up and down for Spec  
17:29:45 <danja> ok, need to put log on fire
17:29:55 <DanC> ADJOURN
17:30:02 <HarryH> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:30:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html HarryH
17:30:09 <rreck> bubye
17:30:13 <HarryH> Bye!
17:30:16 <Zakim> -JohnClark
17:30:18 <Zakim> -rreck
17:30:19 <Zakim> -HarryH
17:30:22 <Zakim> -briansuda
17:30:26 <Zakim> -Simone
17:30:37 <john-l> Where's the Atom feed on spec versions?  :)
17:30:45 <DanC> ;-)
17:31:08 <DanC> actually, some WGs to set up email-on-cvs-commit, and since all our lists have RSS feeds, that makes an RSS feed
17:31:14 <DanC> s/WGs to/WGs do/
17:31:25 <DanC> GRDDL wiki is the esw wiki
17:31:42 <john-l> Wow, CVS->email->mailing list->RSS-(XSLT or something)->Atom
17:31:45 <john-l> That would be a chain.
17:34:05 <FabienG> Bye.
17:42:56 <DanC> From: 	Brian Suda <brian.suda@gmail.com>
17:42:56 <DanC> To: 	general@openid.net
17:42:56 <DanC> Subject: 	Re: [OpenID] GRDDL and OpenID
17:42:56 <DanC> Date: 	Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:27:57 +0000  (16:27 CST)
17:44:40 <Zakim> -DanC
17:44:47 <Zakim> -danja
17:44:48 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
17:44:50 <Zakim> Attendees were JohnClark, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, HarryH, DanC, Ben_Adida, danja, briansuda, Simone, bwm
17:50:23 <Simone> Dan: in which way OpenID can be useful to GRDDL?
17:51:16 <DanC> sorta the other way around... OpenID introduces new terms, but doesn't ground them in URI space. GRDDL can be used to ground them in URI space
17:51:53 <DanC> RRSAgent, stop
18:10:01 <DanC> scribenick: chimezie 
18:10:05 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:10:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
18:10:45 <DanC> RRSAgent, stop