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15:20:59 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
15:20:59 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 40 minutes
15:21:21 <ChrisW> Meeting: RIF Telecon 06 Feb 07
15:21:37 <ChrisW> Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
15:22:18 <ChrisW> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0005.html
15:22:34 <ChrisW> ChrisW has changed the topic to: 6 Feb RIF agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0005.html
15:22:47 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:22:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
15:23:26 <ChrisW> zakim, clear agenda
15:23:26 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:23:34 <ChrisW> agenda+ Admin
15:23:41 <ChrisW> agenda+ F2F
15:23:45 <ChrisW> agenda+ Liason
15:23:50 <ChrisW> agenda+ UCR
15:23:58 <ChrisW> agenda+ Technical Design
15:24:04 <ChrisW> agenda+ RIFRAF
15:24:09 <ChrisW> agenda+ AOB
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15:56:38 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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15:56:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:56:57 <igor> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:56:57 <Zakim> +igor; got it
15:57:34 <igor> is there anything new with the phone and/or zakim?
15:57:41 <igor> I cannot hear anything
15:57:56 <ChrisW> you are the only one there 
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15:58:26 <Zakim> +??P6
15:58:35 <ChrisW> igor, can you scribe today?
15:58:41 <igor> yes
15:58:50 <ChrisW> thanks!
15:59:09 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:59:22 <csma> zakim, ??P6 is me
15:59:22 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:59:53 <ChrisW> scribenick: igor
16:00:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:00:11 <ChrisW> Scribe: Igor Mozetic
16:00:13 <Zakim> +??P8
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16:00:36 <csma> zakim, who is speaking?
16:00:45 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
16:00:45 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
16:00:56 <Zakim> csma, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 5 (41%), [IBM] (21%), igor (43%), csma (17%), ??P8 (60%)
16:01:01 <Zakim> +[LMU]
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16:01:25 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p8 is Hassan
16:01:25 <Zakim> +Hassan; got it
16:01:35 <csma> ack IP
16:01:39 <ChrisW> ack 
16:01:42 <igor> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0005.html
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16:01:46 <ChrisW> ack [
16:01:49 <ChrisW> ack ?
16:01:50 <csma> ack [IP
16:01:57 <csma> ack ??
16:02:04 <Zakim> +agiurca
16:02:06 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:08 <Zakim> +Sandro
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16:02:12 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, IPCaller is me
16:02:16 <Zakim> +Leora_Morgenstern
16:02:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see igor, csma, ChrisW, DavidHirtle, Hassan, PaulaP (muted), Sandro, agiurca, Leora_Morgenstern
16:02:19 <agiurca> zakim, mute me
16:02:24 <Zakim> sorry, AlexKozlenkov, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'
16:02:26 <Zakim> agiurca should now be muted
16:02:28 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
16:02:29 <igor> zakim, mute me
16:02:30 <Hassan> q
16:02:32 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
16:02:32 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, please mute me
16:02:34 <Zakim> igor should now be muted
16:02:36 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
16:02:39 <Harold> Zakim, [NRCC] is me.
16:02:39 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
16:02:44 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:02:58 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, mute me
16:02:58 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
16:02:59 <StellaMitchell> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
16:02:59 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
16:03:06 <Zakim> -csma
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16:03:28 <Zakim> +??P38
16:03:29 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds (was ??P42)
16:03:52 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see igor (muted), ChrisW, DavidHirtle, Hassan (muted), PaulaP (muted), Sandro (muted), agiurca (muted), Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Harold, Allen_Ginsberg (muted),
16:03:57 <Zakim> ... StellaMitchell (muted), Dave_Reynolds, ??P38
16:03:58 <Zakim> -??P38
16:04:05 <Zakim> +??P9
16:04:16 <csma> zakim, ??P9 is me
16:04:16 <Zakim> +csma; got it
16:04:39 <Zakim> +??P12
16:04:45 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, ??P12 is me
16:04:48 <Zakim> +AlexKozlenkov; got it
16:04:53 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
16:04:59 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
16:05:13 <MoZ> Zakim, what is the code ?
16:05:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
16:05:26 <igor> TOPIC: Admin
16:05:33 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
16:05:35 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:05:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:05:45 <AlexKozlenkov> 44 is UK
16:05:49 <JeffP> +44 is UK
16:06:01 <Zakim> +MoZ
16:06:23 <AlexKozlenkov> Thanks for the UK bridge
16:06:30 <igor> calls from nonUS: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Feb/0007.html
16:07:03 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept Jan 30 minutes
16:07:11 <igor> RESOLUTION: approve minutes from Jan. 30 telecom
16:07:24 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
16:07:46 <ChrisW> sandro, i did an "/invite rifbot #rif" is that right?
16:08:12 <JeffP> earlier in Europe I guess
16:09:36 <igor> RESOLVED: March 13 and 20 telecom will be at 4pm CET time
16:09:59 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:09:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "F2F" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:10:09 <igor> TOPIC: F2F
16:10:18 <AllenGinsberg> done
16:10:27 <AllenGinsberg> yes
16:10:31 <AllenGinsberg> yes
16:10:51 <ChrisW> action-214 done
16:10:55 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, unmute me
16:10:55 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
16:12:25 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, mute me
16:12:25 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
16:12:32 <igor> TOPIC: Liaisons
16:12:39 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:12:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:13:20 <ChrisW> 13 people have responded that they are attending the f2f
16:13:40 <igor> csma: do we need a liaison with BRL?
16:14:11 <csma> s/BRL/XBRL/
16:15:49 <Harold> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBRL
16:16:06 <Zakim> +Gerd_Wagner
16:16:07 <igor> csma: PRR is different from XBRL
16:16:36 <agiurca> XBRL represents financial vocabularies
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16:17:26 <Harold> Christian, Said Tabet is interested in XBRL; could you ask him?
16:17:30 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:17:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "UCR" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:17:32 <igor> TOPIC: UCR
16:17:42 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, unmute me
16:17:42 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
16:18:19 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/5
16:19:26 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: Close Issue-5
16:19:28 <PaulaP> I've also modified use case 2 based on Dave's comments
16:19:43 <ChrisW> and thank you DaveR for the comments
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16:21:52 <ChrisW> Action: Allen to add conclusion/summary to UCR
16:21:52 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
16:23:16 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: Close Issue-7
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16:24:10 <igor> csma: we need 2-3 reviewers for UCR WD3 before F2F
16:24:17 <ChrisW> zakikm, who is here?
16:24:23 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
16:24:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see igor (muted), ChrisW, DavidHirtle, Hassan (muted), PaulaP (muted), Sandro (muted), agiurca (muted), Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Harold, Allen_Ginsberg,
16:24:26 <Zakim> ... StellaMitchell (muted), Dave_Reynolds, csma, AlexKozlenkov (muted), Jeff_Pan, MoZ, Gary_Hallmark, Gerd_Wagner (muted), Mike_Dean
16:24:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see MichaelKifer, mdean, GerdWagner, JeffP, DaveReynolds, AllenGinsberg, StellaMitchell, LeoraMorgenstern, agiurca, DavidHirtle, csma, Hassan, igor, PaulaP, AlexKozlenkov,
16:24:32 <Zakim> ... Harold, trackbot, RRSAgent, ChrisW, Zakim, MoZ
16:24:35 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:24:35 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose csma
16:24:39 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:24:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW
16:24:43 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:24:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Hassan (muted)
16:24:46 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:24:47 <agiurca> I can do it 
16:25:08 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:25:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MoZ
16:25:18 <igor> agiurca: reviewer no.1
16:25:28 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:25:28 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DavidHirtle
16:25:30 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
16:25:31 <ChrisW> zakim, pick a victim
16:25:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Leora_Morgenstern (muted)
16:25:37 <LeoraMorgenstern> yes
16:25:42 <igor> Moz: reviewer no.2
16:25:48 <LeoraMorgenstern> yes, I'll be there
16:25:55 <igor> LeoraMorgenstern: reviewer no.3
16:26:07 <LeoraMorgenstern> Okay.
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16:26:43 <Zakim> +Michael_Kifer
16:26:55 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:26:55 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
16:26:56 <igor> ChrisW: reviewers should send comments to the whole list before F2F
16:27:46 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/FrontPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=EditorsWD-rif-ucr-20070201.html
16:28:10 <igor> TOPIC: Technical Design
16:28:10 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, mute me
16:28:10 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
16:28:19 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:28:19 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Technical Design" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:29:22 <igor> csma: what to say about OWL and RDF compatibility?
16:30:32 <igor> ChrisW: we have to say something, even if it is a placeholder
16:30:38 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:30:38 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
16:31:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:31:17 <Harold> OWL placeholder: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/A.5_Extension%3A_Ontology_Conditions
16:31:18 <igor> MichaelKifer: proposes just sections/placeholder in WD1
16:31:30 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:31:38 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:31:38 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
16:32:05 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: 1st CORE WD will have sections titled "OWL Compatibility" and "RDF COmpatibility"
16:32:07 <igor> Sandro: doesn't object
16:32:37 <ChrisW> harold, can you take an action to do that
16:32:52 <igor> csma: what to say about ASN06 and abstract syntax?
16:32:57 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:32:57 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
16:33:02 <Harold> Chris, Yes.
16:33:05 <MichaelKifer> q+
16:33:42 <Harold> Chris, it's sections *titled* ...
16:34:17 <igor> MichaelKifer: if we use BNF we have to say something about abstract syntax
16:34:30 <Harold> Michael, we called the BNF syntax Human Readable syntax.
16:34:39 <Hassan> q+
16:34:46 <ChrisW> ack mich
16:34:49 <Harold> This is different from Sandro's Abstract syntax.
16:34:49 <csma> ack michael
16:35:03 <csma> ack hassan
16:35:44 <Harold> Sandro's Abstract syntax really is an OO Abstract model.
16:35:50 <igor> Hassan: why another formalism like ASN06?
16:37:55 <igor> ... we need flexible tools to move from surface syntax to abstract syntax
16:39:14 <sandro> sandro has joined #rif
16:39:28 <igor> csma: BNF syntaxt is specific to Hron logic and rules
16:39:44 <MoZ> S/Hron/Horn/
16:39:54 <MoZ> s/Hron/Horn/
16:39:55 <csma> q?
16:40:06 <Harold> Christian, for Phase 1 we want to use Horn.
16:40:33 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
16:40:43 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:40:54 <igor> csma: ASN06 will specify the abstract syntaxt, and XML the concrete one
16:40:59 <sandro> Zakim, Sandro.a is Sandro
16:40:59 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
16:41:11 <sandro> q?
16:41:18 <Harold> So, an extensible BNF syntax for Horn is what we want as the Human Readable syntax.
16:41:31 <GaryHallmark> I as an implementer want an XML schema for RIF.  Where does that come from?
16:41:49 <sandro> GaryHallmark, that's generated by software from the asn06 file.
16:41:54 <agiurca> schema can be generated from asn06
16:42:12 <igor> csma: distinguish between using ASN06 and BNF in WD1
16:42:17 <ChrisW> q+
16:42:20 <Hassan> q-
16:42:43 <igor> csma: we need at least one in WD1
16:42:45 <csma> ack chrisw
16:42:51 <DaveReynolds> q+
16:43:14 <igor> csma: what is normative syntaxt is another question
16:43:36 <Harold> OWL also has a Human Readable syntax.
16:43:58 <igor> MichaelKifer: proposes to use BNF in WD1
16:44:34 <Harold> We wanted to be compatible with OWL, so we developed a very similar one, which has been in the Core since its beginning.
16:44:53 <Harold> We need it for specifying the semantics.
16:44:56 <csma> ack dave
16:45:02 <MichaelKifer> q-
16:45:07 <igor> ChrisW: we add a clear statement that BNF is not normative
16:45:08 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:45:08 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
16:45:40 <MichaelKifer> q+
16:46:08 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:46:08 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
16:46:14 <csma> ack michael
16:46:28 <igor> DaveReynolds: 
16:47:21 <igor> MichaelKifer: in a few days there will be a stable version of WD1
16:47:24 <ChrisW> q+
16:47:31 <Hassan> q+
16:47:50 <AlexKozlenkov> Does anyone have a good reference for asn06 apart from the RIF WIKI?
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16:47:57 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:47:57 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
16:48:02 <csma> ack chrisw
16:48:06 <igor> MichaelKifer: ASN06 can be added during or after F2F
16:48:06 <MichaelKifer> q-
16:48:40 <AxelPolleres> will just stay on IRC for a while to check what's going on...
16:49:26 <igor> Harold: fully striped XML is equivalent to ASN06
16:49:56 <igor> Sandro: turing BNF into ASN06 is not hard
16:50:09 <igor> s/turing/turning
16:50:21 <igor> s/turing/turning/
16:51:07 <csma> ack hassan
16:53:06 <sandro> Sandro: To hide the fact that we don't have a metamodel we really like for the Core, by leaving out the asn06, isn't an approach I like.
16:53:40 <igor> csma: we need a description of ASN06 in WD1
16:53:43 <AlexKozlenkov> As I asked above, does Sandro have a good reference?
16:54:27 <sandro> ChrisW: what about using a UML diagram, instead of asn06 ?
16:54:34 <igor> ChrisW: proposes to add a UML diagram into WD1 as a metamodel for RIF
16:55:16 <sandro> +1 get formalizing asn06 out of the critical path for WD1
16:55:53 <igor> csma: provide UML diagram, use BNF, no ASN06, and 
16:56:03 <igor> ... make it clear that it is not normative
16:56:12 <DaveReynolds> q+
16:56:33 <csma> ack dave
16:56:37 <igor> Sandro: keep "no ASN06" out of the resolution
16:56:53 <Harold> DaveR, BNF is needed for the semantics spec.
16:57:04 <igor> DaveReynolds: what BNF, it might be misleading
16:57:10 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:57:10 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
16:57:13 <igor> s/what/why/
16:57:17 <Hassan> q+
16:58:15 <igor> MichaelKifer: BNF has a long tradition in mathematics
16:58:39 <igor> ChrisW: agrees with Michael
16:58:44 <AlexKozlenkov> I don't think UML is enough, it's just a graphical notation unless MOF is brought into it.
16:58:46 <csma> ack hassan
16:59:11 <GerdWagner> Alex, they mean MOF/UML when saying "UML"
16:59:23 <Harold> Example for the use of BNF syntax in semantics:  I |= head :- body 
16:59:37 <AlexKozlenkov> GW: they were suggesting using diagrams
16:59:54 <Harold> Another one: We define I |= Q head :- body iff I* |= head :- body for every I* that agrees with I everywhere except possibly on some variables mentioned in Q.
17:00:32 <igor> MichaelKifer: BNF cannot be avoided if we want to provide semantics
17:00:44 <igor> ... if we want readability
17:00:49 <csma> q?
17:01:08 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
17:01:08 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
17:01:27 <igor> csma: don't remove the BNF from WD1
17:01:40 <ChrisW> proposed: 1st WD will include a UML diagram, and a clearly labelled non-normative BNF, for the syntax
17:01:43 <PaulaP> +1 to stay with the BNF syntax for the 1st WD
17:01:59 <igor> DaveReynolds: objects to using BNF
17:02:18 <agiurca> +1 to include an UML diagram
17:02:26 <DaveReynolds> igor: I said I "would not object"
17:02:46 <GerdWagner> zakim, unmute me
17:02:46 <Zakim> Gerd_Wagner should no longer be muted
17:02:50 <AlexKozlenkov> Gerd, could you please clarify?
17:03:00 <igor> DaveReynolds: said he would _not_ object to BNF
17:03:23 <ChrisW> proposed: 1st WD will include a MOF-UML diagram, and a clearly labelled non-normative BNF, for the syntax
17:03:28 <sandro> BNF should be labelled not just non-normative but "not reviewed by WG"
17:03:45 <Harold> Christian, I can translate the asn06 model to MOF/UML.
17:04:05 <GerdWagner> zakim, mute me
17:04:05 <Zakim> Gerd_Wagner should now be muted
17:04:14 <igor> Sandro: BNF was not reviewed by the RIF group and is not endorsed
17:04:22 <Harold> (But Sandro could soon do automatically?)
17:04:53 <AlexKozlenkov> But all the examples using BNF would then become "not reviewed by WG"?
17:04:59 <igor> ... and this should be clearly stated in WD1
17:05:11 <sandro> "The Working Group has not considered the design of the language exprssed in this BNF.  It is just a pedagogical tool.   The serialization itself has not in any way been endorsed by the working group as a language for expressing rules"
17:05:49 <sandro> "for illustration purposes only"
17:06:35 <Harold> Christian, there are no commas!
17:06:45 <Harold> We use OWL's language.
17:07:11 <Harold> OWL uses a Lisp-like space-separated language.
17:07:21 <Zakim> -MoZ
17:07:39 <Hassan> +1 to proposed resolution above
17:07:43 <ChrisW> proposed: 1st WD will include a MOF-UML diagram, and a BNF (clearly labelled as non-normative and illustrative only) , for the syntax
17:07:52 <sandro> Proposed: WD1 will include a MOF UML diagram and a BNF clearly labeles as non-normative and for illustration purposes only.
17:08:00 <AlexKozlenkov> MOF then becomes normative
17:09:41 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
17:09:41 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
17:09:47 <MichaelKifer> q+
17:09:57 <csma> ack michael
17:10:05 <igor> Harold: objects to have BNF labeled as non-normative
17:10:39 <MichaelKifer> q-
17:10:44 <igor> MichaelKifer: agrees with Harold since we are too far from the final document
17:10:57 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
17:10:57 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
17:11:15 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
17:11:15 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should no longer be muted
17:11:32 <ChrisW> proposed: 1st WD will include a MOF-UML diagram, and a BNF, for the syntax (clearly labelled as illustrative only)
17:11:39 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
17:11:39 <Zakim> Michael_Kifer should now be muted
17:12:32 <Harold> proposed: 1st WD will include a MOF-UML diagram, and a BNF, for the syntax (clearly labelled for illustration/explanation purposes only)
17:12:45 <igor> csma: both MOF/UMP and BNF (or any) amy disapear in the future
17:12:55 <igor> s/UMP/UML/
17:13:04 <igor> s/amy/may/
17:13:19 <AlexKozlenkov> no comma before "and a BNF"
17:13:22 <PaulaP> +1
17:13:31 <Hassan> +1
17:14:13 <Harold>  proposed: 1st WD will include a MOF-UML diagram and a BNF, for the syntax (clearly labelled for illustration/explanation purposes only).
17:14:26 <AllenGinsberg> should say "clearly labelled as being for..."
17:15:13 <sandro> trackbot, help
17:15:13 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)
17:16:21 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
17:16:21 <Zakim> agendum 6. "RIFRAF" taken up [from ChrisW]
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17:16:41 <rifbot> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/
17:17:02 <igor> csma: we need 2-3 reviewers of WD1 within one week
17:17:06 <ChrisW> Resolved: 1st WD will include a MOF-UML diagram, and a BNF, for the syntax (clearly labelled as for illustration/explanation purposes only)
17:17:15 <sandro> trackbot, bye
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17:17:25 <AllenGinsberg> lef out "being" in the resolution
17:17:38 <AllenGinsberg> I will
17:17:42 <ChrisW> action: Harold to add placeholder sections each for OWL and RDF compatibilty
17:17:43 <rifbot> Created ACTION-216 - Add placeholder sections each for OWL and RDF compatibilty [on Harold Boley - due 2007-02-13].
17:17:46 <igor> csma: reviewer no.1 is JosB
17:18:24 <igor> mdean: reviewer no.2 by next Tue
17:18:43 <sandro> Reviews of http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Core due by next week
17:18:53 <AllenGinsberg> yes
17:18:57 <sandro> reviewers: JosDB, MikeDean, AllenGinsberg 
17:19:05 <ChrisW> action: Harold to draft caveat emptor section for syntax in core
17:19:05 <rifbot> Created ACTION-217 - Draft caveat emptor section for syntax in core [on Harold Boley - due 2007-02-13].
17:19:06 <igor>  AllenGinsberg: reviewer no.3
17:19:34 <ChrisW> action: jos de bruijn to review CORE WD by next week
17:19:34 <rifbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - jos
17:19:34 <rifbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jdebruij, jderoo)
17:19:44 <Harold> q+
17:19:45 <ChrisW> action: jos_de_bruijn to review CORE WD by next week
17:19:45 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jos_de_bruijn
17:19:48 <igor> csma: stripe-skipping in WD1
17:19:53 <csma> ack harold
17:19:58 <ChrisW> rifbot, help
17:19:58 <rifbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)
17:20:19 <igor> Harold: current WD is stripe-skipped with one exception
17:20:51 <ChrisW> action: jdebruij to review CORE WD by next week
17:20:51 <rifbot> Created ACTION-218 - Review CORE WD by next week [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2007-02-13].
17:21:13 <ChrisW> action: Allen to review CORE WD by next week
17:21:14 <rifbot> Created ACTION-219 - Review CORE WD by next week [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2007-02-13].
17:21:29 <ChrisW> action: Mike to review CORE WD by next week
17:21:29 <rifbot> Created ACTION-220 - Review CORE WD by next week [on Mike Dean - due 2007-02-13].
17:21:30 <igor> Harold: there will be XML examples in WD1 (for illustration)
17:22:01 <ChrisW> action: Leora to review UCR WD by Feb 26
17:22:01 <rifbot> Created ACTION-221 - Review UCR WD by Feb 26 [on Leora Morgenstern - due 2007-02-13].
17:22:22 <ChrisW> action: Adrian to review UCR WD due Feb 23
17:22:22 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Adrian
17:22:49 <igor> csma: the WD1 will contain XML examples (stripe-skipped) and labeled for illustration only
17:22:55 <ChrisW> sandro, adrian is not in the action tracker
17:23:19 <igor> proposed: the WD1 will contain XML examples (stripe-skipped) and labeled for illustration only
17:23:22 <ChrisW> action: Mohamed to review UCR WD due Feb 23
17:23:22 <rifbot> Created ACTION-222 - Review UCR WD due Feb 23 [on Mohamed ZERGAOUI - due 2007-02-13].
17:23:24 <PaulaP> +1
17:23:38 <igor> resolved: the WD1 will contain XML examples (stripe-skipped) and labeled for illustration only
17:24:13 <ChrisW> action: harold to clearly label XML stripe-skipped examples as for illustration purposes only
17:24:13 <rifbot> Created ACTION-223 - Clearly label XML stripe-skipped examples as for illustration purposes only [on Harold Boley - due 2007-02-13].
17:24:22 <agiurca>  ChrisW: Adrian is agiurca
17:24:40 <igor> TOPIC: RIFRAF
17:24:43 <ChrisW> action: agiurca to review UCR WD due Feb 23
17:24:43 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - agiurca
17:24:47 <ChrisW> Sandro?
17:25:08 <LeoraMorgenstern> nothing to report
17:25:17 <ChrisW> adrian is not in the tracker
17:25:24 <igor> csma: no updates
17:25:43 <igor> TOPIC: AOB
17:25:49 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, unmute me
17:25:49 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
17:25:59 <igor> Harold: F2F with afternoon for demos
17:26:04 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
17:26:04 <Zakim> agendum 7. "AOB" taken up [from ChrisW]
17:26:05 <sandro> (two different databases)
17:26:47 <igor> Harold: when does the next F2F finish?
17:26:54 <GaryHallmark> what the demo?
17:27:56 <igor> ChrisW: next F2F will finish at 3pm
17:29:48 <igor> csma: agenda for F2F should be defined by Feb 10
17:30:47 <sandro> ChrisW, sorry, I'm not going to be able to get Adrian in Tracker right now.
17:31:07 <ChrisW> can i give you an action?
17:31:31 <sandro> Sure, give me an action to give Adrian the action.
17:31:46 <ChrisW> action: sandro to add adrian to the tracker and give him the UCR review action due: Feb 23
17:31:46 <rifbot> Created ACTION-224 - Add adrian to the tracker and give him the UCR review action due: Feb 23 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-02-13].
17:31:55 <igor> csma: one (maybe two) demos at next F2F
17:32:02 <Harold> What about demos by Sandro and Hassan?
17:32:10 <ChrisW> +1
17:32:12 <JeffP> +1
17:32:13 <Zakim> -AlexKozlenkov
17:32:14 <PaulaP> +1
17:32:19 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell
17:32:20 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
17:32:20 <igor> adjourned
17:32:21 <Zakim> -PaulaP
17:32:21 <AllenGinsberg> zakim, mute me
17:32:22 <Zakim> -Michael_Kifer
17:32:23 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
17:32:25 <Zakim> -DavidHirtle
17:32:26 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
17:32:27 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
17:32:28 <sandro> Good idea, Harold. Hrml.
17:32:28 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
17:32:29 <Zakim> -Hassan
17:32:30 <Zakim> -Allen_Ginsberg
17:32:31 <igor> zakim, unmute me
17:32:31 <Zakim> -Harold
17:32:32 <Zakim> igor should no longer be muted
17:32:36 <Zakim> -Leora_Morgenstern
17:32:56 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:33:05 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
17:33:07 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:33:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
17:34:54 <Zakim> -igor
17:35:26 <ChrisW> Regrets: FrançoisBry JosDeBruijn AxelPolleres PaulVincent MichaelSintek
17:36:15 <Zakim> -Gerd_Wagner
17:36:17 <Zakim> -ChrisW
17:36:19 <Zakim> -csma
17:36:23 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:36:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
17:36:26 <agiurca> -agiurca
17:36:34 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:36:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see agiurca
17:36:38 <Zakim> -agiurca
17:36:39 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
17:36:40 <Zakim> Attendees were igor, csma, DavidHirtle, ChrisW, PaulaP, Hassan, agiurca, Sandro, Leora_Morgenstern, Allen_Ginsberg, Harold, StellaMitchell, Dave_Reynolds, AlexKozlenkov, Jeff_Pan,
17:36:42 <Zakim> ... MoZ, Gary_Hallmark, Gerd_Wagner, Mike_Dean, Michael_Kifer
17:36:56 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
17:36:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
17:37:53 <ChrisW> OK, igor, the minutes are ready
17:38:19 <igor> ok, thanks
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