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15:43:51 <dom> RRSAgent, make log public
15:43:55 <dom> Zakim, this will be ts
15:43:55 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
15:44:10 <dom> Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
15:44:13 <dom> Chair: Dom
15:44:37 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0003.html
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15:47:13 <carmelo> hey Dom
15:47:30 <dom> hi carmelo
15:47:37 <carmelo> Just testing my cleint here
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16:00:34 <dom> Zakim, code?
16:00:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
16:00:39 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
16:00:46 <Zakim> +Carmelo
16:00:56 <carmelo> Hello All
16:01:12 <Zakim> +[ERCIM]
16:01:16 <Zakim> -Carmelo
16:01:17 <Zakim> +Carmelo
16:01:22 <dom> Zakim, [ERCIM] is dom
16:01:22 <Zakim> +dom; got it
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16:02:14 <Zakim> +??P33
16:02:25 <dom> Zakim, ??P33 is Dmitri
16:02:30 <Zakim> +Dmitri; got it
16:02:52 <dom> Scribe: carmelo
16:02:54 <Zakim> +Allen
16:03:13 <Zakim> +Till
16:03:41 <carmelo> Carmelo took minutes
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16:03:55 <Andrea> hello all
16:04:01 <carmelo> telecon started on or about 11:03 EST
16:04:05 <Andrea> Andrea Trasatti, M:Metrics
16:04:22 <dom> Topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0003.html
16:04:31 <dom> Zakim, code?
16:04:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
16:04:35 <carmelo> Dom suggested srarting with survey of test suites
16:04:59 <dom> Andrea, drooks, are you going to join the call?
16:05:15 <drooks> i am just dialling in
16:05:31 <Andrea> Skype just crashed.. :(
16:05:41 <Zakim> + +0783371aaaa
16:05:54 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is drooks
16:05:54 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
16:06:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:07:43 <carmelo> Adrea introduced himself and explained a bit about his work.
16:08:13 <carmelo> Andre and his company are interested on anything mobile.
16:08:55 <carmelo> Andrea and his company developed first test suite for mobile devices
16:09:10 <carmelo> David introduced himself as well.
16:10:32 <carmelo> Present on coll, dmitr, Carmelo, Alllen, Andrea, Till, Dom
16:11:27 <carmelo> Dom started the discussion on test suite evaluation
16:11:34 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/matrix 
16:12:20 <carmelo> Any comment anyone on the matrix?
16:12:56 <dom> ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
16:13:05 <carmelo> Till will send the report later today
16:13:29 <Till> ?
16:13:31 <carmelo> ooo[ that was Dmitri
16:13:42 <Till> np
16:14:16 <carmelo> DOM - DOM Test suite if final at this stage
16:14:38 <carmelo> can be a good candidate for packaging
16:15:22 <carmelo> Dom attempted to run DOM Suite on a mobile device (phone) and did not worked
16:16:01 <carmelo> Dom attempted to run the ECMA Script version of the suite
16:17:15 <carmelo> DOM with CSS there can be a limited set of fonts available on mibile devices
16:17:56 <carmelo> Dom mentioned that very little information is available onth HTML test suite.
16:19:01 <carmelo> OMA files may not be as available as W3'c and may present a problem
16:19:34 <carmelo> Dom asked if any interest on this suites?
16:20:02 <carmelo> Till Opera is very interested on this
16:21:29 <carmelo> DOm - will Opera be interested on using a package of the test suites?
16:22:02 <carmelo> Till - yes, on repacking and making the test suites better
16:22:50 <carmelo> Dom - What will be the next stept?
16:23:05 <carmelo> carmelo suggested to examine the tests themselves
16:23:14 <carmelo> DOM - Run the tests on a mobile device.
16:23:41 <carmelo> Till - OPera will have no problem with this
16:23:57 <dom> Zakim, unmute andrea
16:23:57 <Zakim> Andrea should no longer be muted
16:24:12 <dom> Zakim, mute andrea
16:24:12 <Zakim> Andrea should now be muted
16:24:37 <carmelo> Allen - Does not an available phone
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16:25:12 <carmelo> Carmelo Till and Dom will attempt to run the tests on a mobile device
16:25:28 <lynne> I'm only on IRC
16:25:33 <carmelo> Carmelo will attempt both, DOM and CSS
16:25:33 <dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
16:25:51 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone
16:25:54 <carmelo> Till will concentrate on CSS
16:26:01 <dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone
16:27:11 <dom> ACTION: Dmitri to try and see if he can run one of the test suites on his development board
16:28:23 <carmelo> Dom - maybe on two weeks get feeback from mobile
16:28:31 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list
16:28:42 <carmelo> Carmelo will send catalog framework later today
16:29:52 <carmelo> Dom - once the test suite system is packaged, we should try to get feedback from user agents
16:31:19 <carmelo> Coverage may not be ovious by just running it (??)
16:31:32 <carmelo> Dom - The DOM Suite is failry complete
16:32:28 <carmelo> Carmelo - to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
16:32:36 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
16:33:31 <dom> Topic: Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
16:34:13 <dom> "The group is aiming at developing in parallel a more general test suite for the mobile web that would focus on specific authoring difficulties or techniques. This test suite could allow both user agents developers to converge on specific behaviors for situations that are highlighted by the test suite, and also document for content authors what are the existing options to develop content that works across a broad range of devices and user agents.
16:34:13 <dom> Similar efforts have been made in other contexts; for instance, the Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group analyzed the support of XHTML Basic 1.1 and CSS media types in current user agents, as well as the various behaviors of user agents in face of several encoding declarations techniques.
16:34:13 <dom> The goal is to make this a very open process to allow to survey a wide range of authoring practices. To that end, the Working Group is looking at setting up a framework that would allow:
16:34:16 <dom>     * the Web community to submit interesting test cases for review and inclusion in the test suite
16:34:18 <dom>     * Mobile Web users that wish to do so to run through the various tests cases and report back easily which tests pass or failed on their browsers
16:34:21 <dom> "
16:37:26 <carmelo> Carmelo mentioned that a NIST Framework for submssion through NIST is not promising
16:38:05 <dom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0002.html
16:38:56 <carmelo> (above link on a possibe framework for susbmission system)
16:40:12 <carmelo> Dom suggested that a starting point can be by just simply creating a mailing list - it does presents a problem if a lot of submissions come in.
16:41:12 <carmelo> DOm - suggested a we (w3c) build a frameowrk using a web interface to manage the submissions.
16:41:26 <Zakim> -Allen
16:41:29 <carmelo> Dom - it can also be reusable by others
16:42:03 <carmelo> Carmelo asked how difficult will be to develop such a system
16:42:09 <Allen> Looks like I am dropped out of the call. Will try reconnect now.
16:42:28 <carmelo> Dom - Correct metadata needs to presented
16:42:50 <Zakim> +Allen
16:43:49 <carmelo> Till - not sure about whic action was assigned to him, usage of TS or framework availability at Opera.
16:44:19 <carmelo> Till - partly yes on usage of TS
16:44:41 <carmelo> Till - A bit more negative to it at this point
16:45:10 <carmelo> Till - At least to their daily work
16:45:38 <carmelo> Dom - Lets attempt to get feedback from other (Web content developers)
16:46:16 <carmelo> Carmelo - Why would such a system not be of interest?
16:47:13 <carmelo> Till - does not see much usage on Day to day operations
16:47:37 <carmelo> Dom - feedback from Web developers is a must
16:48:03 <dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers
16:48:42 <carmelo> Dom -->Based on feedback, the we will see if a complex system is required for test management
16:49:01 <carmelo> Dom - Any other comments/
16:49:15 <carmelo> nope (from all)
16:49:26 <dom> Topic: Progress on scheduling next F2F
16:50:09 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May [recorded in
16:50:09 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
16:50:12 <carmelo> Carmelo - Not check on it yet
16:50:31 <carmelo> Till - May will be hard, but can do it later this year
16:51:33 <carmelo> Till - Mid of July can work for them?
16:51:43 <carmelo> Dom - Maybe June?
16:52:07 <carmelo> Allen - May may be possible, but the Java conference is on 2nd weekd of may
16:52:21 <carmelo> Allen - 1st week of may works
16:52:27 <dom> ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
16:52:47 <carmelo> Dom - To check his own availability
16:53:31 <dom> ACTION: Dom to set up a questionnaire on setting up a meeting in May
16:53:54 <dom> Topic: Teleconf
16:54:03 <carmelo> Dom - Away next week
16:54:18 <carmelo> Carmeo to send agenda and chair the meeting
16:54:30 <carmelo> Dom - Any scribe for next week?
16:54:57 <carmelo> Carmelo to identify a scribe perhaps he can do it
16:56:37 <carmelo> Andre will not be around next week
16:57:18 <carmelo> Carmelol- Lets touch down on Friday
16:57:43 <carmelo> and make a decision then
16:59:06 <Zakim> -dom
16:59:09 <dom> [adjourned]
16:59:13 <dom> Zakim, list attendees
16:59:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Carmelo, dom, Dmitri, Allen, Till, +0783371aaaa, drooks, Andrea
16:59:52 <carmelo> Dom theer?
17:00:04 <carmelo> Thanks, we are done!
17:00:12 <Zakim> -drooks
17:00:14 <Zakim> -Carmelo
17:00:15 <Zakim> -Till
17:00:16 <Zakim> -Dmitri
17:00:17 <Zakim> -Andrea
17:00:19 <Zakim> -Allen
17:00:20 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
17:00:20 <carmelo> By all
17:00:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Carmelo, dom, Dmitri, Allen, Till, +0783371aaaa, drooks, Andrea
17:00:39 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html dom
17:00:53 <dom> [I will be sending the minutes of the call tomorrow]
17:01:06 <dom> RRSAgent, bye
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-actions.rdf :
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [1]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-12-56
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones [2]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-25-33-1
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his phone [3]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-25-51
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [4]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-26-01
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dmitri to try and see if he can run one of the test suites on his development board [5]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-27-11
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [6]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-28-31
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [7]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-32-36
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [8]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-48-03
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May [recorded in [9]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-50-09
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [10]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-52-27
17:01:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to set up a questionnaire on setting up a meeting in May [11]
17:01:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-irc#T16-53-31
17:01:07 <dom> Zakim, bye
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