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14:52:20 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core WG
14:52:24 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
14:52:31 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:52:35 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:53:17 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Feb/0000.html
14:53:24 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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14:59:46 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:59:53 <Zakim> +Michael_Monaghan
15:00:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:12 <fyergeau> zakim, [ is fyergeau
15:00:12 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
15:00:14 <Zakim> -Michael_Monaghan
15:00:18 <Zakim> +Michael_Monaghan
15:00:30 <Zakim> +Felix
15:01:25 <fsasaki> regrets: Ienup
15:02:36 <fsasaki> topic: last minutes
15:02:40 <fsasaki> minutes approved
15:02:43 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:02:50 <fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar (DONE)
15:02:57 <fsasaki> ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to GEO (DONE)
15:03:06 <fsasaki> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)
15:03:22 <fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list (PENDING)
15:03:31 <fsasaki> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
15:03:38 <fsasaki> ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 (DONE)
15:05:09 <fsasaki> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacritics in collations (DROPPED)
15:05:21 <fsasaki> Francois: there is no standard for that
15:05:29 <fsasaki> Felix: there will be a last call soon I think
15:05:44 <fsasaki> action: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to write a reply to him (PENDING
15:05:59 <fsasaki> ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (DONE)
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15:06:16 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:06:16 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:06:18 <Zakim> +Richard
15:06:20 <fsasaki> Francois: relevant for the note on C0 64/65, I used that information
15:06:27 <fsasaki> topic: "IDNs, do they work" document
15:06:45 <fsasaki> see mail from Richard at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0040.html
15:07:21 <fsasaki> Michael: got some feedback on IDN document
15:07:37 <fsasaki> .. Mark Davis sent some feedback on the document, I can forward it to Richard
15:07:45 <fsasaki> .. he saw some different behavior in IE 7
15:07:57 <fsasaki> Richard:  What is the different behavior?
15:08:33 <fsasaki> Michael describes the mail from Mark at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0028.html
15:09:05 <fsasaki> latest draft from Michael at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0032.html
15:09:51 <fsasaki> Michael: I tested myself and saw that Mark is right
15:09:57 <fsasaki> Francois: what was the difference?
15:10:09 <fsasaki> Richard: if you have in language preference box "only English"
15:10:33 <fsasaki> .. they seemed to have worked out "English users use only ASCII, no umlaut"
15:11:03 <fsasaki> .. so if you go to "baecker.com" with AUMLAUT, you will get punycode
15:11:25 <fsasaki> .. I have en-GB as my setting, you can't have en (only as "user defined") in IE
15:11:32 <fsasaki> s/IE/IE 7/
15:11:48 <fsasaki> Francois: so they define ASCII as a new script for "English only"?
15:12:15 <fsasaki> Richard: there are many languages which use latin scripts, I wonder how they figured that out
15:12:28 <fsasaki> .. I get punycode for en and en-GB
15:12:47 <fsasaki> Michael: it associates ASCII with any English language preference
15:12:58 <fsasaki> .. and latin-1 for any western European languages
15:14:51 <fsasaki> Richard: what test did you do, Michael?
15:15:20 <fsasaki> Michael: I understand that it is technically correct what Mark says
15:16:05 <fsasaki> .. but it might be misleading since IE 7 will work if you have a European language in your preference, even if the character is not from that language
15:17:22 <fsasaki> action: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settigs
15:17:26 <fsasaki> s/settigs/settings/
15:18:55 <fsasaki> Michael: on the links: some render fine on the screen, but you get  a percent escaped URL
15:19:11 <fsasaki> Richard: I can remove the links from the table header
15:19:16 <fsasaki> Michael: ok
15:19:59 <fsasaki> Richard: anther comment from Thomas Roessler
15:20:12 <fsasaki> .. he said that this is not about fishing
15:20:39 <fsasaki> .. I wanted to say that this is a gray area
15:21:52 <fsasaki> .. if we would say "homograph attack" people would not understand what we mean
15:22:17 <fsasaki> Francois: how about "fishing using a homograph attack"?
15:22:59 <fsasaki> Richard: I'll have a look and see what I can come up with
15:23:14 <fsasaki> Francois: all very good
15:23:29 <fsasaki> Richard: the subsection after the table "other fishing concerns" after the table
15:23:40 <fsasaki> .. I tried to summarize a lot of information
15:24:43 <fsasaki> s/fishing/pishing/
15:25:06 <fsasaki> topic: Charmod C064 considered unclear
15:25:44 <fsasaki> proposal from Francois at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html
15:26:12 <fsasaki> Francois: proposal is to have this note as an erratum
15:26:45 <fsasaki> Francois describes the note
15:27:24 <fsasaki> Felix: looks good to me
15:27:54 <fsasaki> Richard: different wording proposal using "tight"?
15:28:13 <fsasaki> Francois: sometimes Unicode is referenced not normatively, so "tight" would not fit
15:28:15 <r12a> s/tight/tied to/
15:28:19 <fsasaki> Richard: ok
15:28:53 <fsasaki> .. how do we manage errrata?
15:29:01 <fsasaki> Francois: you edit the errata page
15:29:37 <fsasaki> Richard: do we have to go through a process?
15:30:10 <fsasaki> Francois: for a normative change, you have to publish a new version of the spec
15:30:24 <fsasaki> .. for the non-normative note, we just publish the erratum, that is it
15:31:07 <fyergeau> http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html
15:31:49 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215
15:33:23 <fsasaki> Francois: we can have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on the errata page
15:34:02 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html as an erratum for charmod norm. We will have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on the errata page
15:34:18 <fsasaki> topic: xml:base
15:34:51 <fsasaki> Francois: too late to do s.t., let's drop this
15:35:05 <fsasaki> topic: XQuery review update
15:35:40 <fsasaki> Felix: there will be a last call of full text soon, so we can make a review at last call
15:35:47 <fsasaki> topic: Work on Japanese layout
15:43:07 <fsasaki> Felix gives a summary 
15:43:24 <fsasaki> Felix: I'll write a mail later about the task force, just a heads up for the moment
15:43:55 <fsasaki> topic: LTLI update, see http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and normative statements at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0048.html .
15:44:07 <fsasaki> Michael: there is a dublicate in sec. 3.1
15:44:24 <fsasaki> .. there is a typo in sec. 4 first sentence
15:45:53 <fsasaki> .. in Example 1: the extendend langugae range , why do two hyphens de-*-DE match e.g. de-DE?
15:46:16 <fsasaki> Francois: this is not like pur ereg
15:46:26 <fsasaki> s/pur ereg/pure regex/
15:47:01 <fsasaki> .. the de-*-DE is "two sub tags with any sub tag inbetween"
15:47:05 <fsasaki> Michael: ok
15:47:44 <fsasaki> Felix: the examples are from the matching spec
15:47:52 <fsasaki> .. will be fine
15:48:23 <fsasaki> action: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback into account
15:48:30 <fsasaki> topic: i18n charter review
15:48:55 <fsasaki> Richard: review period finishes tomorrow, 25 respones so far
15:49:05 <fsasaki> (Richard describes some responses)
15:49:43 <fsasaki> (Richard describes the following process)
15:50:29 <fsasaki> Richard: if you have ideas on a recruitement plan, please contact me
15:51:00 <fsasaki> .. after rechartering we have to think how we will organize the work with the GEO folks
15:51:20 <fsasaki> Francois: what is the time line?
15:51:28 <fsasaki> Richard: a couple of weeks I think
15:51:39 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
15:51:52 <Zakim> -fyergeau
15:51:54 <Zakim> -Michael_Monaghan
15:51:54 <Zakim> -Richard
15:51:55 <Zakim> -Felix
15:51:55 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:51:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Monaghan, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Felix, Richard
15:52:03 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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