IRC log of i18ncore on 2007-02-06

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meeting: i18n core WG

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chair: Francois

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Feb/0000.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Michael_Monaghan

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+[IPcaller]

15:00:12 [fyergeau]

zakim, [ is fyergeau

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+fyergeau; got it

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-Michael_Monaghan

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+Michael_Monaghan

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+Felix

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regrets: Ienup

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topic: last minutes

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minutes approved

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topic: action items

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ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar (DONE)

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ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to GEO (DONE)

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ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)

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ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list (PENDING)

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ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)

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ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 (DONE)

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ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacritics in collations (DROPPED)

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Francois: there is no standard for that

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Felix: there will be a last call soon I think

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action: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to write a reply to him (PENDING

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ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (DONE)

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zakim, dial richard

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ok, r12a; the call is being made

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+Richard

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Francois: relevant for the note on C0 64/65, I used that information

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topic: "IDNs, do they work" document

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see mail from Richard at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0040.html

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Michael: got some feedback on IDN document

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.. Mark Davis sent some feedback on the document, I can forward it to Richard

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.. he saw some different behavior in IE 7

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Richard: What is the different behavior?

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Michael describes the mail from Mark at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0028.html

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latest draft from Michael at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0032.html

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Michael: I tested myself and saw that Mark is right

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Francois: what was the difference?

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Richard: if you have in language preference box "only English"

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.. they seemed to have worked out "English users use only ASCII, no umlaut"

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.. so if you go to "baecker.com" with AUMLAUT, you will get punycode

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.. I have en-GB as my setting, you can't have en (only as "user defined") in IE

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s/IE/IE 7/

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Francois: so they define ASCII as a new script for "English only"?

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Richard: there are many languages which use latin scripts, I wonder how they figured that out

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.. I get punycode for en and en-GB

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Michael: it associates ASCII with any English language preference

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.. and latin-1 for any western European languages

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Richard: what test did you do, Michael?

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Michael: I understand that it is technically correct what Mark says

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.. but it might be misleading since IE 7 will work if you have a European language in your preference, even if the character is not from that language

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action: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settigs

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s/settigs/settings/

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Michael: on the links: some render fine on the screen, but you get a percent escaped URL

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Richard: I can remove the links from the table header

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Michael: ok

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Richard: anther comment from Thomas Roessler

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.. he said that this is not about fishing

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.. I wanted to say that this is a gray area

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.. if we would say "homograph attack" people would not understand what we mean

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Francois: how about "fishing using a homograph attack"?

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Richard: I'll have a look and see what I can come up with

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Francois: all very good

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Richard: the subsection after the table "other fishing concerns" after the table

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.. I tried to summarize a lot of information

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s/fishing/pishing/

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topic: Charmod C064 considered unclear

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proposal from Francois at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html

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Francois: proposal is to have this note as an erratum

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Francois describes the note

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Felix: looks good to me

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Richard: different wording proposal using "tight"?

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Francois: sometimes Unicode is referenced not normatively, so "tight" would not fit

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s/tight/tied to/

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Richard: ok

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.. how do we manage errrata?

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Francois: you edit the errata page

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Richard: do we have to go through a process?

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Francois: for a normative change, you have to publish a new version of the spec

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.. for the non-normative note, we just publish the erratum, that is it

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http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215

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Francois: we can have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on the errata page

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RESOLUTION: WG agrees with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html as an erratum for charmod norm. We will have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on the errata page

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topic: xml:base

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Francois: too late to do s.t., let's drop this

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topic: XQuery review update

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Felix: there will be a last call of full text soon, so we can make a review at last call

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topic: Work on Japanese layout

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Felix gives a summary

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Felix: I'll write a mail later about the task force, just a heads up for the moment

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topic: LTLI update, see http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and normative statements at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0048.html .

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Michael: there is a dublicate in sec. 3.1

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.. there is a typo in sec. 4 first sentence

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.. in Example 1: the extendend langugae range , why do two hyphens de-*-DE match e.g. de-DE?

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Francois: this is not like pur ereg

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s/pur ereg/pure regex/

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.. the de-*-DE is "two sub tags with any sub tag inbetween"

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Michael: ok

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Felix: the examples are from the matching spec

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.. will be fine

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action: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback into account

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topic: i18n charter review

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Richard: review period finishes tomorrow, 25 respones so far

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(Richard describes some responses)

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(Richard describes the following process)

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Richard: if you have ideas on a recruitement plan, please contact me

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.. after rechartering we have to think how we will organize the work with the GEO folks

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Francois: what is the time line?

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Richard: a couple of weeks I think

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topic: AOB

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-fyergeau

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-Michael_Monaghan

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-Richard

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-Felix

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Michael_Monaghan, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Felix, Richard

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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