IRC log of dawg on 2007-02-06

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14:22:34 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:22:34 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

14:22:40 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly

14:22:51 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0064.html

14:23:18 [LeeF]

Regrets: EliasT

14:23:26 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:23:29 [LeeF]

Scribe: SimonR

14:24:42 [ericP]

ericP has changed the topic to: Data Access Working Group weekly telecon -- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0064

14:25:04 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:25:07 [LeeF]

agenda + review action items

14:25:11 [LeeF]

agenda + test suite

14:25:14 [LeeF]

agenda + minimal test suite

14:25:18 [LeeF]

agenda + rq25 status

14:25:23 [LeeF]

agenda + protocol status

14:27:21 [LeeF]

zakim, code?

14:27:21 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF

14:27:35 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started

14:27:42 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:27:43 [LeeF]

zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:27:44 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:28:11 [Zakim]

+??P1

14:28:13 [AndyS]

zakim ??P1 is me

14:28:17 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P1 is me

14:28:17 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:30:09 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-617

14:30:09 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:30:11 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:31:23 [ericP]

ack me

14:33:07 [Zakim]

+Simon_Raboczi

14:34:23 [Zakim]

-Simon_Raboczi

14:34:57 [SimonR]

I'm having an even more troublesome time than usual dialing in; I'm think I'm at risk for scribing tonight. :/

14:35:32 [LeeF]

ok, no problem, Simon. Don't drive yourself batty over the phone system. We'll put the important bits here.

14:35:43 [Zakim]

+Simon_Raboczi

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14:37:16 [Zakim]

+??P11

14:38:28 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P11 is sdas2

14:38:28 [Zakim]

+sdas2; got it

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14:39:09 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:39:20 [jeen]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:39:20 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

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14:40:40 [SimonR]

Next meeting in one week (13-Feb-2007)

14:41:04 [SimonR]

EricP volunteering to scribe next meeting.

14:41:07 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS to reply to Bob M noting changes in examples in curent algebra [DONE]

14:41:40 [Zakim]

+PatH

14:41:49 [patH]

sorry Im late

14:41:49 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS to clarify the extent of BGPs is not broken up by FILTER clauses and to change production rule name in the grammar [DONE]

14:42:00 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES]

14:42:06 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES]

14:42:12 [LeeF]

ACTION: Jeen to mark approved tests as dawg:approved [CONTINUES]

14:42:19 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES]

14:42:20 [SimonR]

AndyS: Hasn't completed his first ACTION, has done the second one (clarify the extent of BGPs is not broken up by FILTER)

14:42:25 [LeeF]

action -5

14:42:33 [LeeF]

ACTION: Jeen to mark approved tests as dawg:approved [DONE]

14:42:53 [SimonR]

Jeen: Has completed (mark approved tests as dawg:approved), hasn't shown up on mirror yet

14:43:01 [ericP]

LeeF, minutes committed

14:43:50 [LeeF]

Andy's tests regarding blank node label scope and also extent of BGP:

14:43:51 [LeeF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0056.html

14:43:55 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-dawg-minutes updated 2007-01-30 minutes

14:44:13 [SimonR]

LeeF: Would we like to add Andy's tests for bnode label scope in the preceding URIs?

14:45:05 [AndyS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0062.html changes the bad-39 test to a good one.

14:45:26 [SimonR]

EricP: Has glanced at the new tests, but not run them.

14:45:48 [SimonR]

LeeF: Proposed adding the tests as unapproved; approve next week.

14:46:16 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to add Andy's bnode label scope tests to CVS as unapproved syntax tests

14:47:17 [SimonR]

SimonR: "I'm fine with that!"

14:47:27 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:47:27 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "rq25 status" taken up [from LeeF]

14:48:04 [SimonR]

LeeF: Skip discussing minimality of test suite until SimonR is available with a better phone connection.

14:48:51 [SimonR]

AndyS: 4.1.4 changed "existential variable" to "non-distinguished variable, discussed with Bijan who agreed it was clearer.

14:49:41 [AndyS]

Eric - there are some @@'s in sec 11 - could you (also!) deal with then and 11.x.yBIS.

14:50:35 [SimonR]

LeeF: Reviews of rq25 -- SteveH said he'd been busy and hadn't been able to review yet.

14:50:50 [SimonR]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0065.html

14:52:08 [ericP]

AndyS, yep, intend to work on @@s

14:52:15 [SimonR]

Jeen: Will be on vacation betwen 9-Feb and early March, will have some time off from development to do stuff like rq25 review.

14:52:20 [LeeF]

s/Jeen/Souri

14:52:38 [SimonR]

(Gah, thanks for the correction.)

14:53:03 [AndyS]

EricP - The BIS is really odd now.

14:53:47 [ericP]

BIS?

14:54:00 [AndyS]

Souri - this is more than http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq25.html#sparqlSyntax ?? Suggestions for additions (with text :-) very welcome.

14:54:01 [iv_an_ru]

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14:54:05 [AndyS]

EricP - 11.4.10bis sameTerm

14:54:21 [ericP]

Oh oh oh!!! forgot about that

14:54:37 [SimonR]

Souri: The use of the . separator seems inconsistent in the current draft.

14:56:12 [SimonR]

LeeF: Invites Souri to suggest better text for #sparqlSyntax; AndyS requests guidance on where it would fit in the document.

14:56:26 [AndyS]

2* 11.4.10 currently :-)

14:56:45 [ericP]

.query AndyS

14:58:00 [SimonR]

Souri: Won't be on calls until back from vacation, but hopes to continue participating by email.

14:59:07 [SimonR]

Souri: Will miss 13th, 20th, 27th, back on the 5th.

14:59:44 [SimonR]

Yes, I'll be able to do that review.

15:00:21 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 6

15:00:24 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "protocol status" taken up [from LeeF]

15:01:22 [LeeF]

protocol status:

15:01:23 [LeeF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0082

15:01:38 [SimonR]

LeeF: Haven't done protocol work for a while, in Elias's absence. Last message on protocol is (quoted URL ^^^)

15:02:16 [LeeF]

Bjoern on posting SPARQL queries directly:

15:02:16 [LeeF]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Sep/0007

15:03:56 [LeeF]

question: should we allow SPARQL queries to be POSTed directly as application/sparql-query

15:05:32 [LeeF]

AndyS: In general likes the idea - wonders if we need to state explicitly that the query needs to be UTF-8. Also wonders if we had a reason for not doing this previously.

15:05:45 [LeeF]

ericP: is there precedent for servers switching on MIME type?

15:06:53 [SimonR]

Ivan suggested it was useful for debugging in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0066.html

15:07:43 [LeeF]

ericP: You wouldn't be able to set the other parameters [default-graph-uri or named-graph-uri]

15:07:51 [SimonR]

EricP: Seems like a good idea, but slight benefit for the work involved.

15:09:32 [LeeF]

MIME type registration: http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-types/2005-November/000894.html

15:10:12 [SimonR]

LeeF: MIME registration does state use of UTF-8, so AndyS's character encoding misgivings are addressed.

15:11:05 [AndyS]

POST does not preclude ?parameters as well as the body.

15:12:50 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

15:12:50 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

15:12:56 [jeen]

(brb)

15:13:14 [jeen]

zakim, unmute me

15:13:14 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

15:13:29 [SimonR]

LeeF: We're not ready to decide this today, particularly would like to run it past Elias as well.

15:14:48 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query

15:15:09 [ericP]

RFC3986 5.1.2 Base URI from the Encapsulating Entity

15:15:45 [SimonR]

LeeF: Any additional agenda issues?

15:15:51 [AndyS]

Base URI alg does not necessary always get a result. In which case rel IRIs are wrong.

15:16:13 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:16:14 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:16:15 [AndyS]

ADJOURN

15:16:16 [Zakim]

-sdas2

15:16:17 [SimonR]

ADJOURN at 15:16 Z

15:16:54 [sdas2]

Thx LeeF See you guys in March, Enjoy the weather :-)

15:18:02 [SimonR]

Zakim, mute me

15:18:02 [Zakim]

Simon_Raboczi should now be muted

15:21:59 [Zakim]

-AndyS

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15:22:11 [SimonR]

Can someone do the IRC log publishing magic?

15:22:15 [ericP]

#relIRIs

15:22:18 [LeeF]

I will, Simon.

15:22:23 [LeeF]

thanks for scribing

15:22:47 [SimonR]

Glad to be useful.

15:23:22 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to adapt text from 4.1.1 to specify how the protocol can contribute to the base IRI for query evaluation as per #relIRIs in the QL spec

15:24:10 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:24:10 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, EricP, Simon_Raboczi (muted)

15:24:33 [ericP]

5.1.1, "Base URI Embedded in Content": BASE

15:24:33 [ericP]

5.1.2, "Base URI from the Encapsulating Entity": xml:base in SOAP:Env

15:24:33 [ericP]

5.1.3, "Retrieval URI": service endpoint?

15:24:34 [ericP]

5.1.4, "Default Base URI": API or other protocol convention?

15:27:23 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:27:26 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:27:33 [LeeF]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:27:33 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-minutes.html LeeF

15:27:35 [Zakim]

-Simon_Raboczi

15:27:36 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

15:27:37 [Zakim]

Attendees were LeeF, AndyS, EricP, Simon_Raboczi, sdas2, jeen, PatH

15:27:41 [LeeF]

rrsagent, make logs world-access

15:27:59 [LeeF]

ericp, please see if rrsagent is doing that correctly

15:29:15 [ericP]

LeeF, roger

15:29:45 [LeeF]

yay! it's there

15:30:04 [ericP]

done

15:30:10 [LeeF]

thanks

15:32:20 [SimonR]

Much obliged as well!

17:06:29 [AndyS]

zakim, please leave

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17:06:39 [AndyS]

rrsagent, please leave

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-actions.rdf :

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS to reply to Bob M noting changes in examples in curent algebra [DONE] [1]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-41-07

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS to clarify the extent of BGPs is not broken up by FILTER clauses and to change production rule name in the grammar [DONE] [2]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-41-49-1

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS to add text clarifying the prohibition on blank node labels in multiple BGPs to rq25 [CONTINUES] [3]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-00

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [CONTINUES] [4]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-06

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES] [6]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-19

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jeen to mark approved tests as dawg:approved [DONE] [7]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-42-33

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to add Andy's bnode label scope tests to CVS as unapproved syntax tests [8]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T14-46-16

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Lee to talk to protocol editors re: POSTing application/sparql-query [9]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T15-14-48

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Lee to adapt text from 4.1.1 to specify how the protocol can contribute to the base IRI for query evaluation as per #relIRIs in the QL spec [10]

17:06:39 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-dawg-irc#T15-23-22