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20:02:29 <ben_> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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20:02:44 <ben_> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:02:44 <Zakim> ok, ben_; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
20:02:52 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
20:02:52 <ben_> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:02:53 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:09 <ben_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JanMar/0054.html
20:03:13 <Zakim> +??P15
20:03:14 <Zakim> -??P15
20:03:15 <Zakim> +??P15
20:03:15 <ben_> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:25 <ben_> zakim, ??P15 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:03:25 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:03:28 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:03:34 <ben_> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
20:03:40 <ben_> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:03:46 <ben_> agenda+ Team B Survey for 25 January <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb012507/results>
20:03:52 <ben_> agenda+ Team C Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201-teamc/results>
20:03:58 <ben_> agenda+ Team B Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070201/results>
20:04:06 <ben_> agenda+ Conformance Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201conformance/results>
20:04:19 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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20:04:54 <Zakim> +John_Slatin
20:06:23 <ben_> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:06:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin
20:06:25 <Zakim> +??P3
20:06:35 <bengt> zakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
20:06:35 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:08:52 <Zakim> +Don
20:09:33 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:09:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_]
20:09:38 <ben_> scribe: jslatin
20:09:40 <jslatin> topic: team b survey january 25
20:09:45 <ben_> zakim, close this item
20:09:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:09:47 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:09:48 <Zakim> 2. Team B Survey for 25 January <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb012507/results> [from ben_]
20:09:48 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:09:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team B Survey for 25 January <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb012507/results>" taken up [from ben_]
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20:10:17 <jslatin> topic: LC 465 et al.
20:10:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:11:14 <rellero> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
20:11:14 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:11:27 <rellero> Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
20:11:27 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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20:15:37 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
20:19:03 <Gregg> ack j
20:20:23 <Loretta> q+
20:20:35 <Zakim> +??P25
20:20:44 <Gregg> ack b
20:20:47 <ben_> q+
20:22:18 <Gregg> ack l
20:23:23 <Gregg> ack b
20:26:46 <becka11y> q+
20:27:02 <Gregg> ack b
20:29:23 <Gregg> ack j
20:32:52 <Gregg> ack j
20:35:36 <Gregg> ack b
20:38:10 <jslatin> action: andi, alex, ben, gregg, john to work on "same page"/"same URI" issue for alternative versions
20:38:59 <jslatin> resolution: LC 465 et al. referred back to TeamB
20:39:12 <jslatin> topic: LC 985
20:40:04 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:40:04 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
20:42:30 <jslatin> resolution: accept LC 985 as amended
20:43:00 <jslatin> topic: 643
20:44:59 <ben_> zakim, who is on the phone>?
20:44:59 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ben_.
20:45:04 <ben_> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:45:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe (muted), John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Don, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Becky_Gibson, ??P25
20:46:07 <jslatin> resolution: accept LC 643 as amended
20:46:47 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
20:46:47 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:46:52 <jslatin> topic: LC 1192
20:48:40 <jslatin> resolution: accept LC 1192 as amended (add "knowing the" to 3.1.6)
20:48:56 <jslatin> topic: LC 913 and 1260
20:52:00 <Gregg> ack ??
20:52:03 <ben_> zakim, ??P25 is Cynthia_Shelly
20:52:03 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:52:04 <Gregg> ack j
20:59:56 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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21:01:56 <jslatin> resolution: Accept 913 and 1260 as amended
21:02:29 <jslatin> topic: 711, 916 983 1193
21:02:31 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
21:05:44 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
21:06:22 <Gregg> ack j
21:07:53 <ben_> scribe: ben
21:08:27 <ben_> accept LC-711, Issue LC-916, Issue LC-983, and Issue LC-1193 as ammended
21:08:33 <ben_> scribe: ben_
21:08:44 <ben_> zakim, close this item
21:08:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
21:08:45 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:08:46 <Zakim> 3. Team C Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201-teamc/results> [from ben_]
21:08:50 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 3
21:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Team C Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201-teamc/results>" taken up [from ben_]
21:09:59 <David> For all non-text content at least one of the following is true:
21:10:01 <David>  
21:10:02 <David> For non-text content that presents information:
21:10:04 <David>  
21:10:05 <David> -- if the information can be presented in text, then text alternatives
21:10:07 <David> present the same information as the non-text content.
21:10:08 <David>  
21:10:10 <David> --if the content is multimedia, live audio-only or live video-only content, or if the content that is primarily intended to create a specific sensory
21:10:11 <David> experience, then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label. 
21:10:13 <David>  
21:10:15 <David> --if the information cannot be presented in text or if the non-text
21:10:16 <David> content accepts user input, then:
21:10:18 <David>  
21:10:19 <David> a) If the non-text content is a test or exercise that must be presented
21:10:21 <David> in non-text format, then text alternatives at least identify the
21:10:22 <David> non-text content with a descriptive text label. In addition, if the
21:10:24 <David> purpose of the test is to confirm that content is being operated by a
21:10:25 <David> person rather than a computer, then multiple versions are provided to
21:10:27 <David> accommodate multiple different disabilities.
21:10:29 <David>  
21:10:31 <David> b) otherwise text alternatives at least identify the purpose of the
21:10:33 <David> non-text content.
21:10:35 <David>  
21:10:37 <David> For non-text content that does not present information (decorative, formatting, invisible), text alternatives communicate to assistive technology that the content should not be rendered.
21:10:41 <David>  
21:10:51 <ben_> Topic: 958: Proposed reword of 1.1.1
21:14:03 <ben_> Resolution: back to Team C to consider survey comments and related issues (738, 956, 1281, 1524, 1506, 801, 1282, 800 and 1155)
21:14:33 <ben_> Topic: 1171: L3 SC to avoid errors
21:19:10 <ben_> Resolution: accept 1171 as ammended
21:21:55 <ben_> Topic: 1207: Applicability to future technologies
21:22:37 <Gregg> ack c
21:24:06 <ben_> ack Cyn
21:24:19 <ben_> ack John
21:24:38 <Gregg> ack a
21:26:07 <becka11y> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/complete.html#overview-design-principles
21:28:03 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:28:54 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:29:04 <ben_> Resolution: accept 1207 as ammended, revise sentence to read, "The goal of this approach makes it possible to apply WCAG 2.0 to a variety of situations and technologies, including those that do not yet exist."
21:29:34 <ben_> Topic: 1525: Web safe colors
21:29:58 <ben_> Resolution: accepted by unanimous consent
21:30:50 <ben_> Topic: Revised intent for 1.3
21:31:11 <David> q+
21:31:38 <ben_> Resolution: accept as ammended (remove adv tech "Providing resizable text")
21:32:26 <ben_> zakim, close this item
21:32:26 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ben_
21:32:40 <ben_> ack David
21:32:48 <ben_> zakim, close this item
21:32:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
21:32:49 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:32:50 <Zakim> 4. Team B Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070201/results> [from ben_]
21:32:54 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
21:32:56 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 5
21:32:56 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Conformance Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201conformance/results>" taken up [from ben_]
21:33:17 <ben_> Topic: SC 1.4.5: How to Meet Success Criterion 1.4.5
21:34:48 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:35:21 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
21:36:51 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:38:50 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:39:48 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:42:59 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:43:36 <Loretta> q+
21:44:02 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:46:26 <Gregg> ack l
21:47:57 <becka11y> q+
21:48:57 <Gregg> #2 using a technology that has common user agents that support ZOOM.
21:49:02 <Gregg> ack t
21:49:30 <Christophe> Christophe has left #wai-wcag
21:49:35 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
21:51:04 <Gregg> ack b
21:54:06 <Zakim> -Don
22:00:41 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:02:08 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
22:02:15 <Gregg> ack j
22:06:59 <Gregg> using a technology that has common user agents that support ZOOM.
22:09:33 <Gregg> using a technology that has commonly available user agents that support ZOOM.
22:14:38 <ben_> action: Michael, Cynthia, Ben, Tim to consider comments on 1.4.5 item 1 and all of its techniques and to straighten out the logic of the sufficient techniques section.
22:16:47 <ben_> Resolution: refer HTM 1.4.5 to task force
22:17:07 <ben_> Topic: SC 1.4.6: How to Meet Success Criterion 1.4.6
22:29:55 <ben_> action: same committee (Michael, Cynthia, Ben and Tim) to look at 1.4.6 for common issues with 1.4.5
22:30:35 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:30:43 <ben_> Topic: Technique: Using percent for font sizes
22:32:18 <Gregg> ack j
22:34:26 <ben_> Resolution: Accept technique as amended.
22:34:45 <ben_> Topic: Technique: Using named font sizes
22:39:37 <ben_> Resolution: accept technique, removing HTML from applicability and HTML example from Examples section (as edited)
22:40:30 <ben_> Topic: Technique: Using em units for font sizes
22:41:32 <ben_> Resolution: accept technique with three editorial suggestions from survey
22:42:10 <ben_> Resolution: refer Script Technique: Calculating size and position in a way that scales with text size to task force
22:42:24 <ben_> Topic: General Technique: Ensuring that all content can be scaled uniformly
22:42:45 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:46:16 <bengt> depeds on where the comma is ?
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22:47:41 <Zakim> +Cooper
22:47:47 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:52:17 <ben_> action: Loretta and Sofia to discuss "down to 50%"
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22:58:18 <ben_> action: Ben and Gregg to look at Ensuring that all content can be scaled uniformly
23:02:33 <ben_> Topic: Failure: Failure when resizing visually rendered text up to 200 per cent causes the text to be clipped, truncated or obscured
23:03:33 <David> scribe: David
23:05:25 <David> resolution: accept 619 
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23:06:15 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
23:07:54 <David> reolution: accept unanimous 832, 836, 859, 963
23:08:25 <David> resolution: accept unanimous 832, 836, 859, 963
23:10:06 <David> s/963/
23:11:03 <David> resolution: accept 963, 1208 as amended with David's response
23:11:48 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
23:11:49 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
23:11:58 <bruce> zakim who is here
23:11:59 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:12:00 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
23:12:00 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
23:12:06 <Zakim> -Cooper
23:12:10 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:12:12 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
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23:12:27 <David> resolution: accept 1442, 1535, 1562 unanimous
23:12:47 <David> that
23:13:23 <bruce> Zakim, who is here
23:13:23 <Zakim> bruce, you need to end that query with '?'
23:13:31 <ben> zakim, close that item
23:13:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close that item', ben
23:13:34 <bruce> ?Zakim, who is here
23:13:37 <ben> zakim, close this item
23:13:37 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
23:13:38 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
23:13:40 <Zakim> 4. Team B Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070201/results> [from ben_]
23:13:48 <ben> Present: Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero, Becky_Gibson, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper
23:14:43 <bruce> zakim, who is here?
23:14:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald
23:14:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see ben, bruce, MichaelC, becka11y, Gregg, RRSAgent, Zakim, Loretta
23:14:56 <becka11y> becka11y has left #wai-wcag
23:15:08 <ben> Zakim, bye
23:15:08 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Don, Roberto_Ellero, Becky_Gibson,
23:15:08 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-wcag
23:15:11 <Zakim> ... Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Cooper
23:15:13 <ben> RRSAgent, bye
23:15:13 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:15:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: andi, alex, ben, gregg, john to work on "same page"/"same URI" issue for alternative versions [1]
23:15:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-10
23:15:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael, Cynthia, Ben, Tim to consider comments on 1.4.5 item 1 and all of its techniques and to straighten out the logic of the sufficient techniques section. [2]
23:15:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-14-38
23:15:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: same committee (Michael, Cynthia, Ben and Tim) to look at 1.4.6 for common issues with 1.4.5 [3]
23:15:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-29-55
23:15:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta and Sofia to discuss "down to 50%" [4]
23:15:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-52-17
23:15:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben and Gregg to look at Ensuring that all content can be scaled uniformly [5]
23:15:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-58-18