IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-02-01
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, ben_; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007JanMar/0054.html
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- +??P15
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- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- zakim, ??P15 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Team B Survey for 25 January <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb012507/results>
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- agenda+ Team C Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201-teamc/results>
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- agenda+ Team B Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070201/results>
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- agenda+ Conformance Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201conformance/results>
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +John_Slatin
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- +Don
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_]
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- scribe: jslatin
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- topic: team b survey january 25
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Team B Survey for 25 January <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb012507/results> [from ben_]
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Team B Survey for 25 January <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb012507/results>" taken up [from ben_]
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- topic: LC 465 et al.
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- +[IPcaller]
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- Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- ack j
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- q+
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- +??P25
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- ack b
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack b
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- q+
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- ack b
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- ack j
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- ack j
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- ack b
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- action: andi, alex, ben, gregg, john to work on "same page"/"same URI" issue for alternative versions
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- resolution: LC 465 et al. referred back to TeamB
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- topic: LC 985
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- zakim, mute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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- resolution: accept LC 985 as amended
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- topic: 643
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- zakim, who is on the phone>?
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- I don't understand your question, ben_.
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe (muted), John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Don, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Becky_Gibson, ??P25
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- resolution: accept LC 643 as amended
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
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- topic: LC 1192
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- resolution: accept LC 1192 as amended (add "knowing the" to 3.1.6)
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- topic: LC 913 and 1260
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- ack ??
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- zakim, ??P25 is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- ack j
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- +David_MacDonald
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- resolution: Accept 913 and 1260 as amended
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- topic: 711, 916 983 1193
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- +Tim_Boland
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- +Alex_Li
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- ack j
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- scribe: ben
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- accept LC-711, Issue LC-916, Issue LC-983, and Issue LC-1193 as ammended
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- scribe: ben_
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Team C Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201-teamc/results> [from ben_]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Team C Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201-teamc/results>" taken up [from ben_]
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- For all non-text content at least one of the following is true:
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-
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- For non-text content that presents information:
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-
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- -- if the information can be presented in text, then text alternatives
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- present the same information as the non-text content.
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- --if the content is multimedia, live audio-only or live video-only content, or if the content that is primarily intended to create a specific sensory
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- experience, then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label.
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-
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- --if the information cannot be presented in text or if the non-text
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- content accepts user input, then:
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- a) If the non-text content is a test or exercise that must be presented
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- in non-text format, then text alternatives at least identify the
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- non-text content with a descriptive text label. In addition, if the
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- purpose of the test is to confirm that content is being operated by a
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- person rather than a computer, then multiple versions are provided to
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- accommodate multiple different disabilities.
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-
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- b) otherwise text alternatives at least identify the purpose of the
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- non-text content.
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-
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- For non-text content that does not present information (decorative, formatting, invisible), text alternatives communicate to assistive technology that the content should not be rendered.
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- Topic: 958: Proposed reword of 1.1.1
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- Resolution: back to Team C to consider survey comments and related issues (738, 956, 1281, 1524, 1506, 801, 1282, 800 and 1155)
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- Topic: 1171: L3 SC to avoid errors
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- Resolution: accept 1171 as ammended
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- Topic: 1207: Applicability to future technologies
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- ack c
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- ack Cyn
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- ack John
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- ack a
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/complete.html#overview-design-principles
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Resolution: accept 1207 as ammended, revise sentence to read, "The goal of this approach makes it possible to apply WCAG 2.0 to a variety of situations and technologies, including those that do not yet exist."
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- Topic: 1525: Web safe colors
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- Resolution: accepted by unanimous consent
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- Topic: Revised intent for 1.3
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- q+
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- Resolution: accept as ammended (remove adv tech "Providing resizable text")
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- zakim, close this item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ben_
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- ack David
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Team B Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070201/results> [from ben_]
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Conformance Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20070201conformance/results>" taken up [from ben_]
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- Topic: SC 1.4.5: How to Meet Success Criterion 1.4.5
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Roberto_Ellero
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- q+
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- ack l
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- q+
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- #2 using a technology that has common user agents that support ZOOM.
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- ack t
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- ack b
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- -Don
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- ack j
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- using a technology that has common user agents that support ZOOM.
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- using a technology that has commonly available user agents that support ZOOM.
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- action: Michael, Cynthia, Ben, Tim to consider comments on 1.4.5 item 1 and all of its techniques and to straighten out the logic of the sufficient techniques section.
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- Resolution: refer HTM 1.4.5 to task force
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- Topic: SC 1.4.6: How to Meet Success Criterion 1.4.6
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- action: same committee (Michael, Cynthia, Ben and Tim) to look at 1.4.6 for common issues with 1.4.5
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- -Alex_Li
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- Topic: Technique: Using percent for font sizes
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- ack j
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- Resolution: Accept technique as amended.
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- Topic: Technique: Using named font sizes
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- Resolution: accept technique, removing HTML from applicability and HTML example from Examples section (as edited)
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- Topic: Technique: Using em units for font sizes
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- Resolution: accept technique with three editorial suggestions from survey
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- Resolution: refer Script Technique: Calculating size and position in a way that scales with text size to task force
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- Topic: General Technique: Ensuring that all content can be scaled uniformly
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- -Tim_Boland
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- depeds on where the comma is ?
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- +Cooper
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- action: Loretta and Sofia to discuss "down to 50%"
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- action: Ben and Gregg to look at Ensuring that all content can be scaled uniformly
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- Topic: Failure: Failure when resizing visually rendered text up to 200 per cent causes the text to be clipped, truncated or obscured
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- scribe: David
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- resolution: accept 619
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- reolution: accept unanimous 832, 836, 859, 963
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- resolution: accept unanimous 832, 836, 859, 963
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- s/963/
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- resolution: accept 963, 1208 as amended with David's response
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- -Becky_Gibson
- 23:11:58 [bruce]
- zakim who is here
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Cooper
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- resolution: accept 1442, 1535, 1562 unanimous
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- that
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- Zakim, who is here
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- bruce, you need to end that query with '?'
- 23:13:31 [ben]
- zakim, close that item
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- I don't understand 'close that item', ben
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- ?Zakim, who is here
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 4. Team B Survey for 01 February <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb20070201/results> [from ben_]
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- Present: Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero, Becky_Gibson, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see David_MacDonald
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- On IRC I see ben, bruce, MichaelC, becka11y, Gregg, RRSAgent, Zakim, Loretta
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- becka11y has left #wai-wcag
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- Zakim, bye
- 23:15:08 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Don, Roberto_Ellero, Becky_Gibson,
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- ... Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Cooper
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: andi, alex, ben, gregg, john to work on "same page"/"same URI" issue for alternative versions [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-10
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- ACTION: Michael, Cynthia, Ben, Tim to consider comments on 1.4.5 item 1 and all of its techniques and to straighten out the logic of the sufficient techniques section. [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-14-38
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- ACTION: same committee (Michael, Cynthia, Ben and Tim) to look at 1.4.6 for common issues with 1.4.5 [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-29-55
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- ACTION: Loretta and Sofia to discuss "down to 50%" [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-52-17
- 23:15:13 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ben and Gregg to look at Ensuring that all content can be scaled uniformly [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-irc#T22-58-18