IRC log of mmsem on 2007-02-01

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raphael has changed the topic to: Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-02-2007, 17:00 UTC
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Title: Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-02-2007, 17:00 UTC
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zakim, list conferences
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I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()10:00AM, XML_SchemaW(f2f)10:00AM, W3C_(USAB)11:30AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM active
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zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM
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ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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Title: Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-02-2007, 17:00 UTC
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Chairs: raphael, jeff
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Scribenick: mhausenblas
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Scribe: Michael
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Regrets: Roberto Ellero, Oscar Celma, Thierry Declerk, Erik Mannens, Pasquale Popolizio, Ioannis Pratikakis, Sofia Tsekeridou
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate raphael
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hello there
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate raphael
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Meeting: Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 01-02-2007, 17:00 UTC
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Presents: Raphael, Chris, George Anadiotis, Zeljko Obrenovic, Michael Hausenblas
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16:56:32 [mhausenblas]
+regrets Melliyal Annamalai
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Hi guys
16:57:30 [mhausenblas]
hi there
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+present Jeff Pan
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+present Thomas Franz
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Michael, meli has sent regrets ?
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16:58:30 [mhausenblas]
yes, see:
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+present Tobias Buerger
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16:59:05 [raphael]
zakim, CWI is raphael
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+raphael; got it
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+ +03120598aaaa
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+ +0329331aabb
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16:59:53 [raphael]
zakim, +031120598 is ganadiot
16:59:53 [Zakim]
sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+031120598'
16:59:57 [raphael]
zakim, 031120598 is ganadiot
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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '031120598'
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17:00:04 [raphael]
zakim, + +031120598 is ganadiot
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I don't understand '+ +031120598 is ganadiot', raphael
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+present Christian Halaschek-Wiener
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zakim, +03120598 is ganadiot
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+ganadiot; got it
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+present Eric_Chris_Gaetan
17:00:30 [raphael]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, raphael, ganadiot, +0329331aabb, Thomas_Franz, Zeljko, Chris_Halaschek-Wiener, TobiasBuerger
17:00:34 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Eric_Chris_Gaetan, TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, JeffP, zeljko, ganadiot, chalaschek, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael, mhausenblas
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zakim, +0329331 is Eric_Chris_Gaetan
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+Eric_Chris_Gaetan; got it
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+present Vassilis Tzouvaras
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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zakim, who is here?
17:02:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas, raphael, ganadiot, Eric_Chris_Gaetan, Thomas_Franz, Zeljko, Chris_Halaschek-Wiener, TobiasBuerger, Jeff_Pan
17:02:06 [Zakim]
On IRC I see vassilis-Stamatia, Eric_Chris_Gaetan, TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, JeffP, zeljko, ganadiot, chalaschek, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael, mhausenblas
17:02:21 [mhausenblas]
Topic: 1. ADMIN
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+ +39.050.315.aacc
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zakim, +39.050.315 is SusanneLittle
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+SusanneLittle; got it
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+present Suzanne Little
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+ +030210772aadd
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zakim, +030210772 is Vassilis_Stamatia
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+Vassilis_Stamatia; got it
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Roll call
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17:04:28 [mhausenblas]
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 18 January 2007 telecon:
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Next telecon: 15th February 2007
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17:05:08 [mhausenblas]
Raphael: Next Friday, 9 Feb the chairs report to the SW coordination group
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+present Stamatia
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Topic: 2. LINKS Pages
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zakim, P16 is Stamatia
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sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named 'P16'
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zakim, ?P16 is Stamatia
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sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '?P16'
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ACTION: Erik to update the vocabularies page by the next telecon [recorded in]
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-- done
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zakim, +??PP16 is Stamatia
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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+??PP16'
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zakim, +??P16 is Stamatia
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sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'
17:06:28 [raphael]
zakim, ??P16 is Stamatia
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+Stamatia; got it
17:08:08 [isti]
wiki site appears to be down?
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ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon
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ACTION: Raphael to merge the Resources and Tools page See:
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-- done
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Zeljko: Did some initial page on the merged pages
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... added tools and projects
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... will be further restructured
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... add DOAP
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... explain functionality (manual, automatic, etc.)
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ACTION: Zeljko to maintain the Resources/Tools page
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-- continues
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ack Jeff
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Jeff: relation to interop deliverable
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... Vassilis to sort out related projects
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Vassilis: Will take care
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hi all
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Raphael: link to the DOAP files, not embed it
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+present alessio
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Topic: 3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
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ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz) [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Raphael: Will be ready by next week
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... then we vote
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Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable
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Topic: 4.1 Structure
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ACTION: Vassilis and Jeff to start the Common Framework [recorded in]
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-- done
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ACTION: Vassilis responsible that each author of each use case to fill the summary of their interoperability problems [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Vassilis: Please, everybody, within the next two days, send updates
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... interop levels differentiation
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... going to include the figures from Athens F2F
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... first draft _without_ solutions by next week
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ack Raphael
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q+ on the XG report template
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Vassilis: K-Space work could be integrated
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ack Michael
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ACTION: Vassilis update the structure of the deliverable and fill it in a XG report template, HTML document in our W3C space [recorded in]
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-- drop
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ack Thomas
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Thomas: input of interop deliverable
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... Vassilis do you need more?
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Vassilis: news, photo, music is missing
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ack Jeff
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Jeff: Current structure of deliverable
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Raphael: New title?
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Jeff: link provided, the main contribution is the common framework
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... hence title should be : "Media Annotation Interop Framework"
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rather: Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework
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ack vassilis-Stamatia
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Vassilis: lets focus now on the motivation, solution later
17:27:02 [mhausenblas]
zakim, mute me
17:27:02 [Zakim]
sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:27:14 [raphael]
zakim, mute michael
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Michael_Hausenblas should now be muted
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Topic: 4.2 Music Use case
17:29:02 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, unmute michael, please
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Michael_Hausenblas should no longer be muted
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Raphael: Try to combine low-level feature with domain semantics
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... first prototype is available
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... overall in good shape
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ACTION: Oscar to provide a first implementation of the Music use case [recorded in]
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-- done
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ACTION: Paola to provide a possible B2B scenario [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Raphael: Currently ID3 to RDF converter
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ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable till 7 Feb
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Topic: 4.3 News Use case
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Chris: We try to get some real news feeds, archives
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... currently in XML format, only
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... freely available content
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... found an earlier version that is online
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... have to spot diffs
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... NDA with XXX content
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... will be able to look at the abstract level
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... will be able to look at the abstract level
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Raphael: A bit behind schedule, but Chris pushes this work
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... will have a internal call to further push this work
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ACTION: Chris and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable till 7 Feb
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Topic: 4.4 Photo Use case
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Raphael: Susanne is not here
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ACTION: Raphael to bug Susanne about status
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Eric: Wanted to started discussion
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... but found out that it is related to authoring rather
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Raphael: Do you utilise semantics?
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Eric: No; just MPEG-21 based features
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ACTION: Erik to start a discussion on Photo UC on public list [recorded in]
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-- drop
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ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Eric: better fit with:
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Raphael: Could you look at the other, "real" UC to see where it fits in?
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Eric: Yes
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Topic: 4.5 Tagging Use case
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Thomas: I restructured the motivation in UC
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... additionally setting up prototype
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... 12 Feb will be decided if a students project will elaborate on this deeper
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George: Affiliation has changed (Free Uni A'dam)
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... will stick with XG, ask for help in tech realisation
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Raphael: CWI will continue on this UC
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ACTION: Thomas to report analysis of tagging platform in Wiki [recorded in]
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-- done
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Raphael: Ontology issues to sort out ...
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... to wait for SWD to sort out SKOS-related semantics
17:46:36 [vassilis-Stamatia]
17:47:08 [Eric_Chris_Gaetan]
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ack Jeff
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ack vassilis-Stamatia
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Michael: on SKOS -SWD issue
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Jeff: Should we focus on SKOS?
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ack me
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Michael: Could do liasion with SWD, if you want me to
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Raphael: Send mail to SWD - no answer, yet
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... current version is quite stable
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... just some small problems with semantics
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... not the question of replacing
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Jeff: I agree
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Topic: 4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
17:57:40 [mhausenblas]
Suzanne: In a stable state
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... motivation is done
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... extended solution
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ACTION: Suzanne, Massimo to further exemplify and sketch the solution: what will be needed to model in the ontology, and how it would be used [recorded in]
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-- done
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Raphael: Regarding solution
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... K-space ontology any use for you?
17:59:46 [mhausenblas]
Suzanne: Let you know, seems reasonable
17:59:53 [raphael]
...particularly the algorithm pattern !
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... do you want us to reference paper?
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Raphael: Paper is technical report now
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... can provide you UML of model
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... could be integrated in UC
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ACTION: Sophia to find and send a documentation about an application toolbox where the user can select some algorithm to do feature extraction on music [recorded in]
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-- continues
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Raphael: Next steps?
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Suzanne: Comments are welcome!
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Raphael: Call for review
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ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC til next AC
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Suzanne: Where to put parts?
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Vassilis: Into common framework
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Raphael: News, Tagging UC and common framework
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Topic: 4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case
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no participant present - next AC
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Topic: 5. MPEG-7 Deliverable
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ACTION: Michael to make testing how to transfer the wiki page into an XG report template [recorded in]
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-- done
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ACTION: Raphael Stamatia to start work on MPEG-7 deliverable [recorded in]
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-- continues
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ACTION: Raphael to contact Chrisa to find out how she can contribute w.r.t. MPEG-7 deliverable
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Topic: AOB
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate mhausenblas
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Raphael: Thanks everybody.
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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bye everyone
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bye, Suzanne and Massimo
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INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, raphael, +03120598aaaa, +0329331aabb, Thomas_Franz, Zeljko, Chris_Halaschek-Wiener, TobiasBuerger, ganadiot, Jeff_Pan, Eric_Chris_Gaetan,
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... +39.050.315.aacc, SusanneLittle, +030210772aadd, Vassilis_Stamatia, Stamatia
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bye all
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