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15:56:23 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SWEO
15:56:23 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_SWEO()11:00AM already started
15:56:35 <LeeF> Meeting: SWEO Weekly
15:56:37 <LeeF> Chair: Susie
15:56:45 <Susie> Regrets from Ivan and Ina
15:56:53 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
15:57:21 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:57:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Kingsley_Idehen
15:57:26 <kidehen> yes
15:57:38 <martind> zakim ??p1 is martind
15:57:53 <martind> 04 01zakim, ??p1 is martind
15:58:12 <kjetilk> zakim, code
15:58:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', kjetilk
15:58:20 <kjetilk> zakim, what is the conference code?
15:58:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetilk
15:58:22 <Zakim> +??P7
15:59:42 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
15:59:42 <Susie> zakim, ??P7 is Susie
15:59:43 <Zakim> +Susie; got it
15:59:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:54 <kjetilk> IPcaller is kjetilk
15:59:55 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge holds LeeF and wing
15:59:55 <Zakim> +LeeF, wing; got it
16:00:07 <kjetilk> zakim, IPcaller is kjetilk
16:00:07 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
16:00:18 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:00:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Kingsley_Idehen, Susie, [IBMCambridge], kjetilk
16:00:21 <Zakim> [IBMCambridge] has LeeF, wing
16:00:23 <LeeF> zakim, P1 is martind
16:00:23 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
16:00:28 <LeeF> zakim, ??P1 is martind
16:00:28 <Zakim> +martind; got it
16:00:32 <Zakim> +[LMU]
16:00:33 <Zakim> +Karen
16:00:36 <kidehen> martind is P1
16:00:41 <martind> zakim, agenda+ Review action items - Susie
16:00:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
16:00:57 <martind> zakim, agenda+ Enterprise Survey results - Wing
16:00:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
16:01:10 <martind> zakim, agenda+ Update on Web Developer outreach - Kjetil
16:01:10 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
16:01:15 <Zakim> +Alistair
16:01:22 <Karen> Karen has joined #sweo
16:01:22 <martind> zakim, agenda+ Progress on the telco use case - Alistair
16:01:22 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
16:01:37 <martind> zakim, agenda+ F2F mtg update - Susie
16:01:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
16:01:44 <Zakim> +??P26
16:01:53 <martind> zakim, open agendum 1
16:01:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review action items - Susie" taken up [from martind]
16:01:57 <LeeF> Scribe: martind
16:02:13 <martind> susie provides overview of where we are, 
16:02:24 <martind> we will hear from alistair on use case
16:02:30 <LeeF> zakim, ??P26 is uldis
16:02:30 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
16:02:31 <martind> susie will update on f2f mtg
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16:03:04 <martind> susie takes action item 1 -- Kjetil provided info
16:03:16 <martind> susie added info on blogging,...
16:03:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:34 <martind> susie reports that ivan resent email about e-challenges
16:03:47 <martind> there was also email about upcoming conf to the mail.list
16:03:59 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
16:04:04 <martind> about enterpr. outreach, wing prepared update on results
16:04:22 <drooks> drooks has joined #sweo
16:04:22 <martind> leoS is at vacation re responsibility for info gathering
16:04:26 <kidehen> Susie: Re. O'Reilly event, this is a no-go for me re. pitching a paper
16:04:43 <bengee> zakim, IPCaller is Benjamin
16:04:43 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it
16:04:51 <martind> susie says we're in good stading w.r.t. all previous action items; well done
16:04:56 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see martind, Kingsley_Idehen, Susie, [IBMCambridge], kjetilk, PaulaP (muted), Karen, Alistair, uldis, Benjamin, Orri_Erling
16:04:59 <Zakim> [IBMCambridge] has LeeF, wing
16:05:06 <martind> open next agendum
16:05:16 <wing> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/SurveyResults
16:05:23 <martind> wing refers to wiki pages (see above)
16:05:42 <LeeF> Note: this is a SWEO-secured wiki page
16:06:03 <martind> about 51 respondents, mostly US
16:06:06 <Karen> +1 51 responses!
16:06:08 <martind> a couple from europe
16:06:36 <martind> wing says most participants from services ind., but also aero, gov, etc
16:07:05 <martind> most respondents were in multi-roles... many SW architects, some standard comm. reps
16:07:19 <martind> ivan suggested earlier partitioning data based on roles
16:07:28 <martind> wing started doing this 
16:08:01 <martind> (see initial results on the wiki)
16:08:34 <martind> most participants were very familiar with SemWeb; maybe we should resubmit survey to people less familiar with SemWeb
16:08:44 <martind> wing now moves to perceptions
16:09:02 <martind> ...and describes the graphs, pictures 
16:10:07 <martind> first images shows ways how would diff.people introduce SemWeb -- data, meanings, reasoning, standards,...
16:10:27 <martind> people were mostly aware of data integration and search apps of SemWeb
16:10:57 <martind> ** pls. use the queue command if you want to ask questions :-) **
16:11:41 <martind> for the future it seems useful to get wider participation (not only researchers or similar)
16:12:36 <martind> wing now moves to advantages / disadvantages
16:13:26 <martind> wing points to bottom graph for advantages = reasoning seems quite big, but not among architects
16:13:36 <martind> maybe worth addressing in sweo
16:14:24 <martind> there are a concerns = complicated, few qualified people, hard to hire staff (e.g. for ontologies)
16:14:28 <LeeF> Interesting (but not surprising?) that the "too complicated" impression is help primarily by tech people
16:14:36 <martind> on customer attitudes, few responses
16:14:51 <martind> customers may not care what technology is inside, as long as it works
16:15:19 <martind> sources of SemWeb -- demos seem to lead by far; then papers, etc.
16:15:35 <martind> interesting category is "vendor support" = who else supports before adopting
16:15:51 <martind> wing now moves on recommendations for SWEO
16:16:09 <martind> prob. the most important is proposing practical, real use cases
16:16:21 <martind> ...followed by need/provision of some training
16:16:52 <Karen> +1 Wing!
16:16:55 <martind> wing wraps up his summary, it exists also in RDF if people want to analyze further
16:16:55 <kidehen> wing: RDF Data URL?
16:17:05 <martind> thanks to wing for nice analysis
16:17:31 <Karen> q+
16:17:43 <martind> did we face classic problem: people who are interested, will participate in the survey?
16:17:45 <wing> need to tidy it up a bit, but you can get it at http://wingerz.com/semweb/sweo/survey/all.rdf
16:17:51 <wing> need to tidy it up a bit, but you can get it at http://wingerz.com/semweb/sweo/survey/all.n3
16:17:56 <martind> good to see people are interested in reasoning
16:18:00 <wing> whoops never mind on the n3
16:18:14 <wing> ok, it's there now
16:18:16 <martind> maybe good to mention these messages in the use cases proposed to industry
16:18:21 <martind> karen thanks wing
16:18:22 <LeeF> ack Karen
16:18:45 <kidehen> +q
16:18:51 <martind> a couple observations: not many surprises from survey; but good to have baseline
16:19:08 <martind> also good to see strengths, opportunities, weaknesses
16:19:13 <wing> (data was generated by babel, so it doesn't have a lot of structure)
16:19:20 <martind> karen wants to share findings internally...
16:19:30 <kidehen> wing: any kind of ontology associated with it?
16:19:41 <wing> nope, not yet
16:19:49 <wing> it was pretty quick and dirty
16:19:53 <LeeF> ack kidehen
16:20:03 <martind> kingsley - is the survey closed or continues?
16:20:24 <martind> susie says: survey closed on 26 Jan
16:20:47 <martind> susie says: other people were also doing some surveys -- maybe compare our findings with theirs?
16:20:54 <kidehen> Susie: links please re. other surveys etc..
16:20:57 <martind> a summer school ? in austria
16:21:15 <martind> susie, some pointers are already on our info gathering wiki...
16:21:45 <captsolo_> martind: http://www.semantics2006.net/semweb-awareness-barometer-an-online-survey-on-roll-out-application-and-training-needs-in.workshop.143.15.htm
16:21:54 <martind> we should probably finish with the survey for now, but we may reuse the questions on other customers, etc.
16:21:55 <captsolo_> this might be the summer school 
16:21:56 <PaulaP> http://www.semantic-web.at/main.php
16:22:13 <PaulaP> for info on Semantic Web School
16:22:38 <martind> should we reopen the survey or use it for different/complementary audience (discussion susie - kingsley)
16:22:59 <captsolo_> q+
16:23:23 <PaulaP> Semantic Web School is not a summer school, they organize e.g. courses for industry
16:23:29 <martind> kingsley suggests addressing the point of most participants to such surveys are too close to SemWeb, maybe we need additional, more distant users?
16:23:43 <Karen> +1 sharing more datasets over time
16:23:57 <martind> susie suggests these follow-ups handled by individual members/companies, and then perhaps sharing results with SWEO
16:24:06 <LeeF> ack captsolo_
16:24:07 <bengee> the awareness barometer order form is linked from http://www.semantic-web.at/10.12.66.literature.semantic-web-awareness-barometer-2006.htm
16:24:23 <martind> uldis asks question: follow up kingsley...
16:24:42 <martind> uldis: wants to ask questions locally in Ireland -- reusing existing SWEO survey
16:24:53 <martind> susie says, we're happy to reuse the questions
16:25:14 <kidehen> Susie: We want to reuse SWEO question for surveys that are not SWEO tagged, but we will happily share the data with SWEO via RDF (the point I was making)
16:25:31 <kidehen> Susie: Same as Uldis
16:25:57 <kidehen> Susie: Goal being to have many RDF Data Source of polling / survey data 
16:26:03 <martind> what we don't notice with most other surveys is some form of publication
16:26:24 <martind> many people may be interested in seeing e.g. a paper summing up our survey?
16:26:48 <martind> should we write a doc as a W3C note or go for a journal? wing asked for opinion
16:26:57 <PaulaP> I think it would be good to publish the results
16:26:58 <kidehen> Susie: Key points, we just want to officially seek permission to use the same questions in the surveys
16:27:10 <kidehen> Susie: rather than writing from scratch
16:27:19 <martind> ACTION: karen taps into W3C what they prefer
16:27:31 <martind> Karen check with Ivan,...
16:27:48 <martind> open next agendum
16:27:48 <PaulaP> you can e.g, try to talk about the results at events such as the Semantics 2007
16:28:04 <martind> kjetil finishing descrition of community projects
16:28:13 <martind> there were a few submissions made already
16:28:26 <martind> kjetil says, the project was taken very well
16:28:59 <martind> kjetil, can you provide url here into irc minutes?
16:29:18 <kjetilk> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects
16:29:30 <martind> susie says this is a good outcome, as it was only discussed at the last few telcos
16:29:33 <LeeF> +1 impressed with response to this also!
16:29:45 <martind> we already have 6 projects submitted, which is a good start
16:30:14 <LeeF> FAQ about community project: http://esw.w3.org/topic/CommunityProjectFaq 
16:30:36 <martind> we have quite tough deadline for proposing new projects, people encouraged to respond quickly
16:30:43 <martind> open next agendum
16:30:56 <martind> alistair sent some initial input about BT use case
16:31:17 <martind> use case looks good, esp. to target more technical people interested in web services,...
16:31:40 <martind> alistair is interested in preparing less-techie description (e.g. for non-technical managers)
16:31:59 <martind> alistair is not available next week, but suggests doing this 'translation' for the week after
16:32:21 <martind> ACTION: alistair prepares non-techie summary of BT case for Feb 14th
16:32:50 <martind> susie suggests looking at survey again and see which orgs started some pilot projects
16:33:04 <martind> ...and then ask specific people to contribute a use case to SWEO?
16:33:25 <martind> open next agendum
16:33:35 <wing> ACTION: wing to send list of companies with pilot projects
16:33:37 <martind> f2f meeting -- feedback from 6 people
16:33:51 <martind> stavanger seems to be a suitable place
16:34:09 <martind> ivan communicates with local organizers, who may help out with aroom free of charge
16:34:38 <martind> we though about thursday/friday mtg, but they're offering other days -- 
16:34:44 <martind> needs just clarification
16:35:03 <martind> ACTION: Susie to clarify room allocations/dates of f2f
16:36:29 <martind> Norway seems to be the right place
16:36:35 <martind> close this agendum
16:36:52 <martind> agenda+ conference and SWEO presence
16:37:01 <martind> open agendum 6
16:37:41 <martind> susie talks about the grid conf., organizers of grid web-inars series would like to get some presence from SemWeb people
16:38:02 <martind> people would go to London, get recorded as they deliver seminar and that's broadcast
16:38:39 <martind> people based near London may participate -- e.g. alistair (BT), martind (OU), others
16:39:06 <martind> e.g. paul walsh? tales?
16:39:22 <martind> may be good to have a couple presenters rather than one
16:39:31 <LeeF> s/tales/talis
16:39:40 <martind> susies sends further info to alistair about the event
16:40:15 <captsolo_> Galway is a flight away from London, too
16:40:15 <martind> also, tim BL was in touch re organizing next cambridge SemWeb day
16:40:46 <martind> kingsley offers some assistance re the meetings
16:41:26 <martind> maybe we should take lead on organizing Feb mtg?
16:41:33 <martind> two more things
16:41:53 <martind> no more things to cover....
16:42:02 <martind> susie thanks to wing, kjetil and alistair
16:42:05 <Zakim> -Alistair
16:42:06 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
16:42:06 <Zakim> -Susie
16:42:08 <Zakim> -Karen
16:42:08 <Zakim> -Benjamin
16:42:09 <Zakim> -uldis
16:42:11 <PaulaP> bye
16:42:13 <Zakim> -PaulaP
16:42:18 <Zakim> -kjetilk
16:42:30 <Zakim> -[IBMCambridge]
16:42:32 <Zakim> -Kingsley_Idehen
16:42:42 <captsolo_> what is the web page for Norwegian Semantic Web days?
16:42:46 <LeeF> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:42:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-SWEO-minutes.html LeeF
16:42:56 <LeeF> rrsagent, make logs world-access
16:43:00 <LeeF> thanks, RRSAgent
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16:44:07 <Zakim> -martind
16:44:07 <wing> wing has left #sweo
16:44:08 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()11:00AM has ended
16:44:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Kingsley_Idehen, Susie, LeeF, wing, kjetilk, martind, Karen, PaulaP, Alistair, uldis, Orri_Erling, Benjamin
16:44:16 <LeeF> zakim, please leave
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