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15:39:48 <dom> Meeting: Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group teleconference
15:39:51 <dom> Chair: carmelo
15:40:05 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2007Jan/0013.html
15:45:09 <dom> Zakim, this will be TS
15:45:09 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
15:45:18 <dom> RRSAgent, make log public
15:48:29 <Carmelo> Carmelo has joined #mwts
15:53:14 <Allen> Allen has joined #mwts
15:53:29 <Allen> Hello
15:54:10 <dom> hi all
15:55:30 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
15:55:37 <Zakim> +Allen
15:56:25 <Allen> dom, i thought you are not going to attend this.
15:56:55 <dom> I am attending today; I won't be attending in two weeks from now; that said, I wasn't available to prepare the agenda since I was travelling yesterday
15:58:17 <Till> Till has joined #mwts
15:59:00 <Allen> Meeting: Mobile Web TS Teleconference 2006-01-30
15:59:41 <Allen> Chair: Carmelo
15:59:48 <Zakim> +Carmelo
15:59:52 <dom> ScribeNick: Allen
16:00:17 <Carmelo> Hi
16:00:38 <Zakim> + +33.9.52.51.aaaa
16:00:45 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is dom
16:00:45 <Zakim> +dom; got it
16:02:02 <dsilaev> dsilaev has joined #mwts
16:02:14 <dom> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Allen, Carmelo, dom
16:02:18 <Zakim> +??P13
16:02:29 <dom> Zakim, ??P13 is dmitri
16:02:33 <Zakim> +dmitri; got it
16:02:50 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aabb
16:03:02 <dom> Zakim, aabb is Janice
16:03:04 <Zakim> +Janice; got it
16:03:16 <dom> Till, are you planning to join the call?
16:03:44 <Till> i was rejected twice, one moment
16:03:50 <dom> ok, we'll wait for you
16:05:36 <Till> sorry - isn't passcode the same as conference key?
16:05:42 <dom> 8794
16:05:50 <Till> that's it
16:05:53 <dom> followed by the # key
16:06:06 <Till> i guess it's the phone
16:06:16 <Till> doesn't recognize what i type
16:06:20 <dom> if you can't get in, maybe try *0 to get added manually
16:06:21 <Till> i suggest you start
16:06:23 <dom> are you using VOIP?
16:06:34 <Till> no, normal phone
16:06:36 <dom> weird
16:07:25 <Zakim> +??P33
16:07:40 <dom> Zakim, ??P33 is Till
16:07:40 <Zakim> +Till; got it
16:07:45 <dom> Zakim, list attendees
16:07:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Allen, Carmelo, +33.9.52.51.aaaa, dom, dmitri, +1.301.975.aabb, Janice, Till
16:08:06 <Allen> Presents: Dom, Allen, Carmelo, Dmitri, Till
16:08:55 <Allen> i/Till/Till, Janice
16:09:21 <Allen> Topic: approval of the F2F meeting minutes
16:09:28 <Allen> dom: too ealy to do that
16:09:41 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html Draft minutes of our last week F2F
16:10:26 <dom> [ONGOING] ACTION: Carmelo to look if NIST has a test cases/results submission system [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
16:10:40 <Allen> Topic:  framework facilities at  their work place that may be suitable for maintenance of documents and tests.
16:12:17 <Allen> carmelo: will get more details, need to get permission from supervisor
16:12:44 <Allen> dom: two possible deliverable for the group discussed in the F2F meeting
16:12:58 <Allen> ... existing tests
16:13:19 <Allen> ... Test submission system, tests similar to ACID tests
16:13:46 <Allen> ... need to find existing software solution for submission of tests
16:14:55 <Allen> Allen: no submission system in Sun and JCP
16:14:58 <dom> [DONE] ACTION: Allen to check if there is any test case submission system/process as part of the JCP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
16:16:48 <Allen> carmelo: can use cvs as the interface
16:17:47 <Allen> carmelo: will get more info this afternoon
16:18:21 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/QA/TheMatrix QA Matrix
16:18:36 <Allen> dom: everybody reviews set of test suite
16:19:16 <dom> Technologies we need to look at: CSS Mobile Profile 1.0, DOM LEvel 1 (?), SVG Tiny, XHTML Basic, WICD Mobile
16:19:52 <Allen> carmelo: looks about right 
16:20:00 <dom> Zakim, list attendees?
16:20:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dom.
16:20:02 <dom> Zakim, list attendees
16:20:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Allen, Carmelo, +33.9.52.51.aaaa, dom, dmitri, +1.301.975.aabb, Janice, Till
16:20:37 <Allen> dom: review and gather as many data as possible 
16:20:48 <Allen> ... each person takes one
16:21:22 <dom> ACTION: dom to survey data on XHTML Basic Test suites
16:21:46 <Allen> dom: will take XHTML
16:21:54 <Allen> carmelo: will take DOM
16:22:22 <Allen> ACTION: Carmelo to take DOM
16:22:54 <Allen> ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG
16:23:12 <Allen> ACTION: Allen to take WICD
16:23:33 <dom> ACTION: Till to take CSS Mobile
16:23:45 <dom> data to collect: test suites licenses, public availability, conformance / interoperability, coverage / test assertions avaibility, mobile web relevance, test harness, automated or not
16:24:00 <dom> and stability / status, maintenance process
16:24:20 <Allen> dom: should try to finish in one week
16:24:39 <Allen> ... if not, let people know
16:25:19 <Allen> ... at this moment, plain text in email is fine
16:26:49 <Allen> [OPEN] ACTION:  All members to identify possible additional  members either as invited experts or from member organizations. 
16:27:02 <dom> [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look into test cases submissions systems [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
16:27:12 <dom> [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with a schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
16:28:24 <Allen> dom: Till has any idea of the open test submission system?
16:28:34 <Allen> Till: interesting idea.
16:29:23 <dom> ACTION: Till to report on Opera's point of view on the open test suite framework
16:30:10 <Allen> dom: will have a schedule by the end of next week
16:31:13 <Allen> dom: next face to face meeeting?
16:31:21 <Allen> Topic: next face to face meeting
16:31:33 <Allen> carmelo: May is a good time
16:32:10 <Allen> dom: two things - who is available, who can host
16:32:29 <Allen> ... typically one member host the meeting in his company
16:32:37 <Allen> ... with food and coffee
16:32:58 <Allen> dom: try to figure out availability
16:33:24 <Allen> carmelo: any of the first three weeks in May
16:34:10 <dom> ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May
16:34:32 <Allen> dom: probably takes two days
16:35:08 <Allen> dom: Sun, Opera or NIST?
16:35:37 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May 
16:35:55 <dom> ACTION: Till to check if Opera can host a meeting
16:36:00 <Allen> ACTION: Allen to check with Sun to host a meeting in May
16:38:43 <Allen> dom: may use May 7 for the meeting if no body attend WWW meeting in Canada
16:40:00 <Allen> dom: everybody takes turns to scribe
16:40:08 <Allen> ... next week will be carmelo
16:40:24 <Allen> ... need somebody to scribe after two weeks
16:41:12 <Allen> Allen: reference to IRC: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm?content-type=text/html#Quick_Start_Guide
16:41:22 <Allen> ... http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent
16:41:35 <Zakim> -Carmelo
16:41:37 <Zakim> -dom
16:41:38 <Zakim> -Janice
16:41:41 <Zakim> -Till
16:41:45 <Zakim> -dmitri
16:41:46 <Allen> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:41:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-minutes.html Allen
16:42:02 <Allen> rrsagent, bye
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-actions.rdf :
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: dom to survey data on XHTML Basic Test suites [1]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-21-22
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to take DOM [2]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-22-22
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dmitri to take SVG [3]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-22-54
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Allen to take WICD [4]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-23-12
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Till to take CSS Mobile [5]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-23-33
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Till to report on Opera's point of view on the open test suite framework [6]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-29-23
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to figure out his availabilities in May [7]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-34-10
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to check if NIST can host a meeting in May  [8]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-35-37
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Till to check if Opera can host a meeting [9]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-35-55
16:42:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Allen to check with Sun to host a meeting in May [10]
16:42:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-mwts-irc#T16-36-00
16:42:19 <dom> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:42:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Allen