IRC log of i18ncore on 2007-01-30

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meeting: i18n core WG

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chair: Francois

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0022.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Ienup_Sung

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-Ienup_Sung

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+Felix

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+Ienup_Sung

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+Michael_Monaghan

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zakim, dial richard please

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ok, r12a; the call is being made

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+Richard

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agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0022.html

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topic: last minutes

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http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html

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minutes approved

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topic: Action items

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action: Felix to bring i18n core comments to data binding WG (DONE)

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0031.html

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action: Felix to go back to VBWG asking about our CCXML comments (DONE)

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action: Felix to go back to XML core with our comments on c14n 1.1. (DROPPED)

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action: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 (PENDING)

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action: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (ONGOING)

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Ienup: yesterday I sent a mail saying that I'm talking to Mark

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.. Mark said they have a URL we can use, so I'd recommend the URL and close the AI

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0023.html

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regrets+ Francois

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Felix: Agree with closing the AI but keeping track of the URI described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0023.html , we might need it for an update of C064 / C065

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action: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)

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action: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (PENDING)

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action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)

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action: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information onoptions for diacrictics in collations (PENDING)

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action: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply to him (PENDING

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(the

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mail was about the proposed edited recommendation request of xml:base,

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see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0014.html )

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topic: Charmod C064 considered unclear

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postponed until next week

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topic: xml:base

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Felix: I'll ping Francois later to see if he can follow up on this before 31 January

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topic: PLS 1.0 review

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Richard: I'll look at it after the meeting

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topic: IDN "does it work?" document

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0027.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/att-0027/idn.html__charset_UTF-8

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0032.html

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Michael: I made an update since that

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/att-0032/idnv2.html__charset_UTF-8

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Richard: looks good, did not have a chance to look at it yet in detail

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Michael: Mark said IE looks a little bit more elegant than other solutions

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.. should we give time to review this?

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Richard: this is an replacement for a section in an existing article, right?

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Michael: yes

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Richard: I'll also send this to the GEO WG

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action: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to GEO

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Ienup: I can also send the document to various people

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Richard: the document is quite long and a bit complex

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.. the GEO documents are sent out for review on the www-international list

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.. might also be good to do this here

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Ienup: good idea

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Michael: I'll make some formatting changes and condense the document, before distributing it

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.. the explanation of how some browsers act is covered in some "mouse over" information which is bad since you can't print that

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.. I'll reformat that before I'll distribute

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.. after that I'll send it to www-international?

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Richard: contact me as you are ready. We might want to integrate it into the original article, after that we send it to www-international

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Michael: ok, I'll contact you first

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topic: CSS 2.1 review

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Richard: I'll send the mail about the BDO stuff, I'll try to do that this week

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.. if you get a chance to read it, it's fine. CSS 2.1 is far advanced

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Felix: ok, let's do it like that

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topic: LC reviews

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0020.html

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http://www.w3.org/TR/mobileOK-basic10-tests/

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Felix: any volunteers?

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Richard: character encoding support is important in the draft for us

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http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#CHARACTER_ENCODING_USE

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Richard: can't see a lot other issues

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action: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar

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topic: LTLI update

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postponed

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topic: XQuery full text review - udpate?

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postponed

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topic: activity renewal

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Richard: form for renewal is out until 2nd February

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.. positive responses so far, one suggestion about MathML, except that not much to report

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s/2nd/7th/

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Richard: after activity renewal, everybody has to rejoin the WGs, so you'll have to talk to your AC reps for that

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.. we also have to make a recruitment plan for i18n , if you have any ideas, please let us know

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Michael: how many people are necessary?

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Richard: the more the better. Some people don't attend meetings, but contribute in other ways

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topic: trip report from Richard

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Richard: went to conference organized by Pan localization project

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.. they are working with people developing standards for keyboards etc

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.. they train a smaller group of people in each country to become i18n / l10n engineers

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.. last week they had a meeting in Bhutan

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.. brought people from 16 countries together

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.. they will do a survey starting from the conference

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http://www.panl10n.net/english/Survey.htm

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.. above is a previous survey they did

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.. also in the workshop they put together some policy statements

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.. there was also a presentation by Ram Noham (scribe not sure about spelling)

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.. specialist in IDNs

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.. I represented W3C and explained what we do

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http://www.panl10n.net/english/Program20.htm

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Michael: how long has the pan localization been around?

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Richard: I think 3 years

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.. they recently launched Linux for Tibetanian and other languages

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.. the link above leads to the HP which has more info

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http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/

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Felix: any potential members?

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Richard: not sure, the people might not join themselves, but spread the news in their country

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.. went back via India, people are still very interested in i18n

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.. they are interested in CSS support for lists using Indian numbers

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Felix: would be great to have a requirements document (or several) for India or other Asian countries about their layout requirements

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-Ienup_Sung

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-Michael_Monaghan

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-Felix

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-Richard

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Ienup_Sung, Felix, Michael_Monaghan, Richard

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Richard: maybe a bit early (they are still in an early stage of discussion), maybe we can look into this later this year

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topic: AOB

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meeting adjourned

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Felix to bring i18n core comments to data binding WG (DONE) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-07-14

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ACTION: Felix to go back to VBWG asking about our CCXML comments (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-07-48

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ACTION: Felix to go back to XML core with our comments on c14n 1.1. (DROPPED) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-09-02

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ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 (PENDING) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-09-33

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ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (ONGOING) [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-10-01

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ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-13-34

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ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (PENDING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-13-57

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ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-14-10

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ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information onoptions for diacrictics in collations (PENDING) [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-14-29

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ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply to him (PENDING [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-14-44

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ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to GEO [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-21-32

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ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-i18ncore-irc#T15-29-22

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zakim, bye

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