IRC log of databinding on 2007-01-30
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be DBWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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- Date: 30 January 2007
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- WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +[Heriot-Watt]
- 15:02:13 [pauld]
- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
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- +Paul_Downey
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- -[Heriot-Watt]
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- +[Heriot-Watt]
- 15:02:55 [pauld]
- zakim, Heriot-Watt contains gcowe
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- +gcowe; got it
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- +Yves
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- +Jon_Calladine
- 15:04:46 [pauld]
- scribe: pauld
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- minutes from 16/1 and 19/12 approved
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- dinner arrangements
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- gcowe: been working on some patterns and examples, trying to CVS sorted
- 15:15:26 [Yves]
- see http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xmlp-rec-issues.html generated from .xml
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- LC issue tracking
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/lc-issues/
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- yves: used several tools including Bugzilla for LC, but simple files often work best
- 15:16:58 [pauld]
- ACTION: ylafon to obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC stylesheet
- 15:17:00 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-100 - Obtain a copy of the ws-desc LC stylesheet [on Yves Lafon - due 2007-02-06].
- 15:17:56 [pauld]
- pauld: a lot of our LC comments are editorial, what's the process, do we need the WG to get involved?
- 15:18:06 [pauld]
- yves: one line in the minutes is sufficient
- 15:19:57 [pauld]
- pauld: our strong process will help deal with comments
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- pauld: there is a meta-question in Microsoft's comments, things may not get better!
- 15:20:30 [pauld]
- gcowe: Origo needs things to get better
- 15:21:00 [pauld]
- yves: customer demand is unlikely to allow a vendor to lower the bar
- 15:22:06 [pauld]
- pauld: i understand the thinking may be coloured by wanting to map to and from JSON
- 15:23:18 [pauld]
- jonc: we restrict name clashes, so distinction between mapping to JSON and Java is mute
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- pauld: customer demand is key here IMO
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- jonc: are they thinking code first, or mapping WSDL to code?
- 15:24:35 [pauld]
- pauld: Indigo is "contract" first, but the contract is fairly code centric
- 15:28:31 [pauld]
- pauld: ignoring our buckets, at least Microsoft and Origo can go away and write their own Basic specs and have a conversaion as a result of our work
- 15:29:31 [pauld]
- pauld: chased the Schema WG, and had positive response, but a worry we've done too much work for them to review
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- pauld: we need to help them
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- jonc: have they any meetings planned?
- 15:30:48 [pauld]
- yves: not sure, only one person is reviewing, AIUI
- 15:32:18 [pauld]
- pauld: worried they're being too fastidious, but our detection and test suite will help their review
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- pauld: we do need to do some work to help their review
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- pauld: it's down to me to rack up the LC comments so we can process them
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- jonc: looking at Microsoft's comments, chimes in with one of our issues
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- ACTION: jcalladi to investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and maxOccurs
- 15:35:09 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-101 - Investigate Microsoft LC item 7 and maxOccurs [on Jonathan Calladine - due 2007-02-06].
- 15:37:15 [pauld]
- Topic: CR Exit Criteria
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- pauld: what do we need to do to skip CR
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- yves: documentation in out testsuite / implementation report should be sufficient
- 15:38:54 [pauld]
- pauld: do we need to say how many implementations we need - 2, 4, 13?
- 15:39:02 [pauld]
- yves: our judgement call
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- pauld: so our test suite is our exit criteria
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- Topic: Test Suite
- 15:40:16 [pauld]
- yves: enlisted some assistance to put up the validation service
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- yves: also been looking at generating the test results
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- pauld: happy for you to respecify the format to suite your purposes
- 15:43:26 [pauld]
- pauld: struggled through a powercut testing Axis 1.x and Axis2 and Xfire
- 15:44:09 [pauld]
- .. barfdance.sh is clumsy with a WAR files
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- .. should be ok for the BEA tools as well
- 15:44:56 [pauld]
- gcowe: need to get a new websphere tool version
- 15:45:50 [pauld]
- ACTION: pauld to enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - pauld
- 15:46:03 [pauld]
- ACTION: pdowney to enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley
- 15:46:04 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-102 - Enlist help from IBM contacts in Hursley [on Paul Downey - due 2007-02-06].
- 15:47:56 [pauld]
- pauld: green and red is going to help motivate us and others to contribute
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- ADJOURNED
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- -[Heriot-Watt]
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- -Paul_Downey
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- -Yves
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- -Jon_Calladine
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- WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Paul_Downey, gcowe, Yves, Jon_Calladine
- 15:48:30 [pauld]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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