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20:57:07 <bob> zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:57:07 <Zakim> ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
20:57:29 <bob> Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
20:57:35 <bob> Chair: Bob Freund
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21:00:44 <plh> zakim, passcode?
21:00:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 2337 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), plh
21:01:00 <Zakim> +plh
21:01:00 <bob> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Jan/0048.html
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21:08:01 <plh> scribe: plh
21:08:11 <plh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Jan/0048.html
21:08:48 <plh> Chair: Bob Freund
21:08:54 <plh> [agenda review]
21:09:13 <Zakim> +[IBM]
21:09:17 <plh> Topic: previous minutes
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21:09:27 <plh> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Jan/att-0046/22-ws-addressing-minutes.html previous minutes
21:09:53 <plh> Katy: minutes are slightly wrong with examples
21:10:00 <plh> ... also an action item came out of that
21:10:25 <plh> Tony: the action item I got was related to the discussion on optional rather than examples.
21:11:04 <plh> Bob: we didn't reach a conclusion on the examples
21:11:12 <plh> ... is this an after last call issue?
21:11:15 <plh> Katy: yes
21:11:44 <plh> ACTION: Katy to provide the description of the examples that she would like to see included
21:12:17 <plh> Bob: objections to accept the minutes as posted?
21:12:23 <plh> Resolved: minutes accepted
21:12:56 <bob> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Jan/0049.html
21:13:04 <plh> Topic: proposal for use of policy
21:13:23 <plh> [Tony explains the changes he is proposing]
21:13:56 <TRutt_> q+
21:14:14 <bob> ack tru
21:14:33 <plh> Tom: I'm happy with the new wording
21:14:44 <plh> ... the text doesn't say anything of not supporting
21:15:04 <plh> Tony: the absence of the policy assertions doesn't mean you don't support it
21:15:38 <anish> q+ to ask whether it is enuf to say 'endpoint' or we need 'endpoint+binding'
21:15:42 <plh> Paco: I like the text but worried about "alternatives". would prefer "in other words"
21:16:04 <plh> Tony: "In other words, the endpoint guarantees support"
21:16:48 <plh> Resolved: In other words, the endpoint guarantees support for anonymous responses.
21:16:53 <bob> ack ani
21:16:53 <Zakim> anish, you wanted to ask whether it is enuf to say 'endpoint' or we need 'endpoint+binding'
21:16:55 <bob> q?
21:17:27 <plh> Tom: by endpoint, I meant the service, the server, etc. Not talking about the endpoint in the WSDL sense
21:17:35 <plh> s/Tom/Tony/
21:17:48 <plh> Anish: endpoint and/or binding ?
21:18:01 <plh> Tony: I'm talking about the thing that the WSDL represents
21:18:04 <plh> Anish: service?
21:18:29 <plh> David: WSDL is a collection of endpoints...
21:18:56 <plh> Anish: it's editorial.
21:19:09 <plh> [no changes]
21:20:18 <plh> Tony: 3.1.4 issues: talking about anonymous and non-anonymous responses. the reason we have this is for the client to find the service that suits it.
21:20:48 <plh> [Tony reads his proposal]
21:21:13 <TRutt_> q+
21:23:32 <bob> ack tru
21:24:06 <plh> Tom: Tony's assertions seem all correct to me. I now see this as a feasible use case.
21:24:26 <plh> ... gave an other example with ignorable
21:24:40 <plh> ... it is ignorable only to the intersection algorithm
21:25:45 <plh> ... I want an example with the use of the ignorable attribute
21:26:28 <plh> ... maybe the use case could be mixed with the use of optional
21:27:17 <plh> Bob: objections to the second part of the proposal, understanding that Tom can raise an issue during LC?
21:27:29 <plh> Tom: I provide an example already that could be included
21:27:38 <plh> Tony: sounds fine to me
21:28:25 <bob> Tom's proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2007Jan/0050.html
21:28:37 <plh> [Tom explains his new example]
21:29:29 <plh> Tony: I'll put the example in.
21:29:44 <plh> ... using lax
21:29:58 <plh> Bob: objections to put those in?
21:30:22 <plh> Tony: I'll put these things in 3.1.4
21:31:01 <plh> ... can anyone speak about the ws policy attachment options?
21:31:08 <bob> q?
21:31:20 <plh> Tom: that's regarding attaching policy to endpoint references
21:31:31 <plh> ... it's up to us to do it if we want to
21:31:56 <plh> MarcG: that's the issue the policy group closed with no actions
21:32:12 <plh> Tony: I could take the editorial note out
21:32:27 <plh> ACTION: Tony to take out the editorial note on policy attachment out
21:33:20 <plh> Bob: URLs need fixes in editor drafts
21:33:51 <plh> ACTION: Philippe to look into editor's version of latest version link
21:34:51 <plh> Bob: so we have Tony part A and B, + Tom additional example, are we willing to allow Tony to proceed and take the new draft to LC?
21:35:11 <plh> Resolved: the document as edited by Tony with new changes should be raised to LC
21:35:15 <Zakim> +Mark_Little
21:35:56 <plh> Bob: we'll move to LC asap
21:36:17 <plh> Topic: XMLP request for one-way MEP
21:36:29 <bob> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-soap12-part3-20061219/ 
21:36:32 <plh> Bob: got a request from XMLP to review their draft on one way MEP
21:36:49 <plh> ... no particular deadline. No intention of taking this Note to REC.
21:37:00 <dhull> q+
21:37:03 <plh> ... but the Chair of XMLP would like us to look over it
21:37:26 <bob> ack dhu
21:37:43 <plh> David: we have a review deadline of February something but no particular urgency
21:38:00 <plh> ... follow-up from our task force that it would be nice to have a one way MEP
21:38:46 <plh> ... big editorial note in there about multicast. the MEP is currently allowing multicast but doesn't require it.
21:39:19 <plh> ... the idea behind it in a truly one way situation, you don't know what happen to a message. could be sent to more than one person, etc.
21:39:50 <plh> ... some pushback on how it fits with the soap model.
21:39:55 <plh> ... we resolved the issues
21:40:18 <plh> ... anyway, we're going back to the WSDL and WS-A groups with the proposal
21:40:29 <plh> Bob: will collect comments at our next meeting
21:40:58 <plh> ... given the timing of LC, will be changing for a slower heartbeat
21:42:21 <plh> Tony: will check in tonight for a new draft
21:42:52 <plh> Philippe&Bob will take over after that
21:43:19 <plh> Bob: last call minimal is 3 weeks
21:43:59 <plh> ... February 23 would be 3 weeks from this Friday
21:44:16 <plh> ... I'd like to propose that we move to every other week phone schedule.
21:44:19 <plh> Topic: next meeting
21:44:57 <plh> Bob: Next meeting would be february 12, then 26, hopefully for less than 2 hours
21:45:42 <plh> Bob: I'll look at the one way MEP document.
21:46:36 <plh> zakim, mute mrgood
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21:47:00 <bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:47:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-ws-addr-minutes.html bob
21:47:01 <plh> [meeting adjourned]
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21:48:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Bob_Freund, plh, Paul_Knight, Katy, Tom_Rutt, TonyR, David_Hull, Gilbert_Pilz, mrgoodner, Anish, yinleng, Marc_Hadley, [IBM], Mark_Little
21:48:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/29-ws-addr-minutes.html plh
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21:56:47 <bob> rrsagent, pointer
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