IRC log of sweo on 2007-01-24

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15:50:53 [ivan]: zakim, this will be sweo
15:50:53 [Zakim]: ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
15:51:14 [ivan]: Meeting: SW Education and Outreach IG weekly telco
15:51:19 [ivan]: Chair: Susie
15:51:46 [LeeF]: ivan, how were your travels?
15:51:58 [ivan]: I try to stay awake:-)
15:52:15 [ivan]: just do not ask me what time it is...
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15:55:22 [pasquale]: hi all, good morning/evening ;-)
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15:57:12 [ivan]: zakim, dial ivan-home
15:57:14 [Zakim]: Attendees were
15:57:18 [Zakim]: ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:57:26 [Zakim]: +Ivan
15:57:32 [ivan]: zakim sometimes behaves in a funny way...
15:58:29 [Zakim]: +Kingsley_Idehen
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16:00:18 [Zakim]: +??P11
16:00:33 [LeeF]: zakim, code?
16:00:33 [Zakim]: +TomB
16:00:33 [Zakim]: the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF
16:00:36 [ivan]: zakim, P11 is susie
16:00:36 [Zakim]: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
16:00:47 [ivan]: zakim, ??P11 is susie
16:00:47 [Zakim]: +susie; got it
16:00:52 [Zakim]: +Alistair
16:01:01 [Zakim]: +??P16
16:01:04 [Zakim]: +[IBM_Watson]
16:01:07 [Zakim]: -TomB
16:01:11 [Zakim]: +[IBMCambridge]
16:01:28 [LeeF]: zakim, IBMCambridge holds LeeF, WingY
16:01:29 [Zakim]: +LeeF, WingY; got it
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16:01:44 [Zakim]: +Ian_Davis
16:01:48 [Zakim]: +??P9
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16:01:59 [paulmiller]: Zakim - Ian Davis is Paul Miller
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16:02:11 [LeeF]: zakim, WingY is wing
16:02:11 [Zakim]: sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'WingY'
16:02:12 [Zakim]: +??P22
16:02:14 [ivan]: zakim, ??P9 is benjamin
16:02:14 [Zakim]: +benjamin; got it
16:02:19 [LeeF]: zakim, IBMCambridge holds LeeF, wing
16:02:19 [Zakim]: LeeF was already listed in [IBMCambridge], LeeF
16:02:21 [Zakim]: +wing; got it
16:02:27 [ivan]: zakim, ??P22 is uldis
16:02:27 [Zakim]: +uldis; got it
16:02:47 [ivan]: scribenick: paulmiller
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16:05:16 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:05:16 [paulmiller]: Woe Pan introduces himself, and the work of his team around the Semantic Web.
16:05:22 [LeeF]: s/Woe/Yue/
16:05:31 [captsolo]: from IBM
16:05:47 [paulmiller]: Thanks LeeF and captsolo...
16:07:08 [paulmiller]: Susie outlines the scope of today's call, and starts with previous actions.
16:08:01 [paulmiller]: Web Developer Outreach - Kjetil was aiming to get the questionnaire out by 19 Jan; this may have slipped a little. Once complete, Susie will post a summary to the SWEO pages...
16:08:54 [paulmiller]: Enterprise Outreach - deadline for Enterprise questionnaires was 19 January, but many of the targets were on extended leave over Christmas. Deadline now extended to 26 January. The results should be compiled ahead of the next call. 53 people have completed it so far...
16:09:41 [paulmiller]: Alistair had an action to complete a first draft of a use case; this wll be discussed later. Frank Chalmers is also keen to prepare an oil and gas use case; by 2 February.
16:10:15 [paulmiller]: Face to face meeting update - the plan is to hold it in Norway alongside an existing Semantic Web meeting on 24 and 25 April; so probably 19 and 20 April.
16:11:45 [paulmiller]: Susie was looking to see if Oracle could host the meeting in Stavanger, but they don't have an office there. Lee has been looking at IBM's facilities in the area, but they do not appear to be appropriate for the meeting. Ivan is now looking at other venues in the city. If that doesn't work, we'll look to use the same dates but in another European city such as London or Amsterdam, through which those heading for Stavanger would be likely to pass anyway...
16:13:22 [captsolo]: ivan: Amsterdam may be extremely busy in April
16:14:33 [leobard]: there is the frije universiteit Amsterdam, they are SemanticWeb friendly
16:14:37 [paulmiller]: If none of the venues work in April, we could also align it with the Semantic Web conference in Innsbruck later in the year...
16:15:39 [Zakim]: +Frank_Chum
16:15:53 [paulmiller]: ACTION: Susi to mail the SWEO list to poll for other views. Complete by 26 January.
16:16:07 [leobard]: +q
16:16:22 [LeeF]: ack leobard
16:16:26 [Frank]: Frank has joined #SWEO
16:16:28 [paulmiller]: Susi invites Leo to provide an update on the ongoing information gathering task.
16:17:11 [paulmiller]: Pasquale has begun scoping the task, and Ivan has been reviewing this scope. There is a need to ensure that the work survives beyond the life of the SWEO group.
16:17:23 [leobard]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering
16:17:35 [paulmiller]: Pasquale - Leo asks on the phone if you are planning to continue with this work?
16:17:45 [pasquale]: yes of course
16:17:51 [paulmiller]: pasquale: Excellent, thanks.
16:17:55 [pasquale]: ;-)
16:18:19 [ivan]: q+
16:18:46 [paulmiller]: Leo is keen to end up with a "Web 2.0" interface, providing easy access to the results of the exercise.
16:19:27 [leobard]: http://www.mkbergman.com/?page_id=325
16:19:37 [paulmiller]: Ivan reminds the group that he has shared Sweet Tools with the group - http://www.mkbergman.com/?page_id=325.
16:20:01 [paulmiller]: Ivan mentions that the tools do not appear to include a SPARQL endpoint, which may be an issues moving forward.
16:20:58 [paulmiller]: Susie asks Leo if there will be a need to retranscribe existing resources, or if existing content can easily be incorporated into a new resource such as the one proposed...
16:21:30 [paulmiller]: Leo is keen to look at ways to reduce duplication and effort - asking people like Dave Beckett to look at ways we can reuse his work...
16:22:34 [paulmiller]: Susie provides an update on the Web developer community work, in Kjetil's absence.
16:22:51 [kidehen]: leobard: We only need these sites to expose data in one of the common syndication formats (RSS, Atom etc) re. Data Gathering. On the User Friendly UI front we can use SPARQL Protocol for expose Data to many Ajax and general Web 2.0 presentation oriented tools
16:22:56 [paulmiller]: LeeF: ? Where?
16:23:26 [Susie]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Web_Developer_Outreach
16:24:29 [paulmiller]: Susie has suggested some enhancements to the page, for example describing ways in which our target audience can engage with us. The proposals may also need a word count and a deadline... and we need to make it clear that proposals will be shared in public.
16:24:49 [paulmiller]: Susie invites Alistair to update on the telco use case work.
16:25:14 [Zakim]: +Orri_Erling
16:25:14 [paulmiller]: Alistair has prepared a first draft, and shared this with Susie. It's six pages just now, and Alistair feels it's a bit long and a bit technical.
16:25:45 [paulmiller]: Alistair suggests there may be a role for this longer, technical piece, and for a shorter and more business-focussed version derived from it.
16:26:52 [paulmiller]: Alistair's document is based upon work in the DIPP (?) project, focussing on semantic mediation; handling the sale of wholesale broadband lines from BT to third party wholesale providers.
16:27:26 [ivan]: q+
16:27:38 [paulmiller]: The project looked at using a semantic description and automated processes to streamline a complex process in use today.
16:27:51 [leobard]: http://dip.semanticweb.org/pressroom.html
16:28:05 [paulmiller]: Yes, DIP not DIPP.
16:30:14 [paulmiller]: Ivan notes that we would like to publish documents like this one in HTML; and raises his concerns about converting from Word to HTML formats...
16:31:24 [paulmiller]: Ivan asks Alistair if the results of DIP are already deployed. Alistair reports that it was a prototype, and has not been deployed in day to day use for internal operational reasons.
16:32:22 [paulmiller]: Susie will share the document with the SWEO group.
16:32:46 [paulmiller]: Frank has joined the call, and Susie asks him to provide an update on his oil and gas use case, the deadline for which is now 2 Feb.
16:33:06 [paulmiller]: Frank's use case is high level, and currently taking shape in Powerpoint.
16:34:22 [paulmiller]: Frank has four or five use cases, including knowledge management (consolidating data sources, filtering concepts, navigation and discovery with semantic descriptions) and handling of toxic and chemical problems.
16:34:48 [LeeF]: q+ to ask if the telco and oil&gas use cases are use cases or case studies (in the sense Kingsley brought up last week)
16:34:53 [ivan]: ack ivan
16:35:21 [paulmiller]: Frank's third use case is around semantic integration; exposing data to a portal.
16:37:40 [paulmiller]: LeeF asks about the difference between use cases and case studies, as discussed last week.
16:37:56 [paulmiller]: Frank feels that his examples will be case studies.
16:38:25 [LeeF]: ack LeeF
16:38:25 [Zakim]: LeeF, you wanted to ask if the telco and oil&gas use cases are use cases or case studies (in the sense Kingsley brought up last week)
16:38:32 [paulmiller]: Oh no he didn't - Frank said that his were USE CASES. Sorry.
16:38:37 [LeeF]: :-)
16:38:56 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
16:40:05 [paulmiller]: Susie notes that it might be useful to ask some of those completing the enterprise questionnaire to share their work as future use cases.
16:40:26 [paulmiller]: Kjetil joins the call, and Susie invites him to provide an update along the lines outlined earlier...
16:41:04 [paulmiller]: Kjetil is not sure that we should impose a word limit.
16:42:10 [paulmiller]: Kjetil is proposing a deadline of mid-February for submission of responses. If the notification were to go out this week, we could set a closing date around 12 February.
16:43:01 [paulmiller]: 12 February it is, with scope to extend by a week if necessary.
16:44:04 [paulmiller]: Susie asks how we will accept proposals. Kjetil asks if W3C has appropriate tools. We should be explicit about how proposals should come in; tell them to create a new wiki page for each entry, and post their information there.
16:44:23 [wing]: should keep an eye on the wiki updates, just to be on the safe side
16:45:21 [paulmiller]: Susie is keen that we include a fairly loose definition of submission length; to give contributors an idea of what is expected.
16:45:40 [paulmiller]: We are not going to disqualify people who exceed the limit; it's just guidance to clarify things.
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16:46:22 [kjetilk]: there! :-)
16:47:10 [paulmiller]: ACTION: Kjetil to update page on the wiki as discussed; finish description by end of 25 Feb. Susie to post publicly by 26 Feb.
16:47:27 [kjetilk]: ACTION: kjetilk to update the Wiki with wordlimit and deadline, 13th, where to post the proposal
16:47:41 [wing]: q+
16:48:09 [Zakim]: +Leo_Sauermann
16:48:10 [Susie]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Web_Developer_Outreach
16:49:00 [paulmiller]: Wing wonders if people who submit closer to the deadline have an unfair advantage, having seen earlier submissions.
16:49:35 [kidehen]: +q
16:49:48 [Susie]: q?
16:49:55 [paulmiller]: kjetilk: is not worried, feeling that similar entries might actually encourage collaboration.
16:49:59 [wing]: ack wing
16:50:03 [kjetilk]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Web_Developer_Outreach
16:51:12 [kidehen]: kjetilk: MyDreamSemanticWebApp?
16:51:21 [paulmiller]: Susie suggests creating a new area on the wiki, under the existing TaskForces section...
16:51:36 [paulmiller]: Susie moves to the next agenda item, Conference participation.
16:51:37 [kjetilk]: kidehen: yeah, please bring it up for the group
16:51:59 [kidehen]: kjetilk: k
16:52:35 [kidehen]: All: see: http://mydreamapp.com/
16:52:47 [paulmiller]: Susie highlights three conferences of interest; the first is the Open Grid Forum (Manchester, May 7-11). February 9th is the deadline for submissions. Susie knows one of the organisers from Southampton. However, the event conflicts with the Web Conference in banff. Will anybody be free?
16:53:14 [leobard]: I just boldfaced this conference at the wiki page: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences
16:53:19 [paulmiller]: ACTION: Susie to email the SWEO list with these upcoming conference dates and submission deadlines.
16:54:00 [paulmiller]: A second conference was O'Reilly OSCON, with a submission deadline of 5 Feb. Kingsley and Kjetil had expressed interest in finding out more about this event, but Kingsley hasn't had time to progress this...
16:54:52 [paulmiller]: Kjetil doesn't think that it's realistic for him to attend, but he has some friends who do tend to go. No one he has spoken to is planning to attend.
16:55:41 [paulmiller]: Susie will contact Oracle contacts in San Francisco, to see if any of them are able and willing to attend. She has another colleague (sorry, missed the name) at Oracle who is based in Portland, where the event iwll be held.
16:56:04 [paulmiller]: The third event is XXX, and being held in Amsterdam. The closing date for submissions is the end of January.
16:57:10 [captsolo]: XXX = June 1, Amsterdam, The Netherlands: The Next Web Conference 2007 (?)
16:57:21 [paulmiller]: Susie has come across a further event in the Hague, 24-26 October - e-Challenges. It's an EU-funded project, and the event is meant to bring industry, research and government together to look at FP6 projects...
16:57:28 [paulmiller]: captsolo: Thanks.
16:57:57 [paulmiller]: Ivan notes that W3C has a new team member, focussing upon e-Government.
16:58:10 [Susie]: http://www.echallenges.org/e2007/
16:58:54 [paulmiller]: ACTION: Ivan will contact his new colleague, Jose, to raise the possibility of attending.
16:59:55 [paulmiller]: Susie reports on the Semantic Web event held in Boston this week... tbl organised an event, attended by about 50 people. There was good SWEO participation. There will now be regular - monthly - meetings, and a wiki page will be established to discuss topics etc for each meeting.
17:00:43 [paulmiller]: Guss Schreiber showed a faceted browse tool for cultural objects.
17:00:58 [ivan]: http://e-culture.multimedian.nl/
17:01:11 [kidehen]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/CambridgeSemanticWebGatherings
17:01:25 [kidehen]: all: click on http://esw.w3.org/topic/CambridgeSemanticWebGatherings
17:02:30 [leobard]: we contribute to which page?
17:02:51 [paulmiller]: Susie volunteered SWEO to help organise future meetings of this group. The next one's in Birmingham, then! :-)
17:02:55 [paulmiller]: AOB?
17:03:10 [paulmiller]: No AOB. Call ends...
17:03:10 [Zakim]: -uldis
17:03:11 [Zakim]: -benjamin
17:03:13 [Zakim]: -susie
17:03:14 [Zakim]: -[IBMCambridge]
17:03:14 [Zakim]: -Frank_Chum
17:03:16 [Zakim]: -Alistair
17:03:16 [Zakim]: -Leo_Sauermann
17:03:17 [Zakim]: -Orri_Erling
17:03:19 [Zakim]: -??P16
17:03:20 [Zakim]: -Ian_Davis
17:03:21 [Zakim]: -Kingsley_Idehen
17:03:23 [Zakim]: -Ivan
17:03:25 [Zakim]: -[IBM_Watson]
17:03:27 [Zakim]: SW_SWEO()11:00AM has ended
17:03:29 [Zakim]: Attendees were Ivan, Kingsley_Idehen, TomB, susie, Alistair, [IBM_Watson], LeeF, WingY, Ian_Davis, benjamin, wing, uldis, [IPcaller], Frank_Chum, Orri_Erling, Leo_Sauermann
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17:21:41 [ivan]: zakim, bye
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17:21:47 [ivan]: rrsagent, draft minutes
17:21:47 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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