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14:50:48 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS WG
14:50:51 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:50:52 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:50:57 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:51:31 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0049.html
14:51:36 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
14:59:05 <YvesS> Hi felix, I noticed that the Comparison page seems to be not working anymore. Is it normal? (making changes?)
14:59:33 <fsasaki> Hi Yves, I saw that too. I think it is a problem of the XSLT page, I'm looking at it
14:59:42 <fsasaki> s/page/tool/
14:59:48 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:59:49 <fsasaki> It works offline for me
14:59:55 <Zakim> + +1.303.962.aaaa
15:00:05 <Zakim> +Felix
15:00:05 <YvesS> ok
15:00:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:44 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
15:00:45 <fsasaki> zakim, [IP is Andrzej
15:00:45 <Zakim> +Andrzej; got it
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15:03:03 <YvesS> zakim, who is there?
15:03:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, YvesS.
15:03:08 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
15:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves, Felix, Andrzej, Sebastian_Rahtz
15:03:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, AZ, rahtz, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS
15:03:29 <Zakim> +Claus
15:04:23 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:04:26 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0049.html
15:04:39 <fsasaki> action: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS draft. (PENDING)
15:04:56 <fsasaki> action: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute notations on the span element. (PENDING)
15:05:15 <fsasaki> action: Editors to implement the the change in the specification regarding precedence order wording. (ONGOING)
15:05:37 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0013.html
15:08:25 <fsasaki> Felix: I'm worried about the precedence 
15:08:40 <fsasaki> Yves: we probably can't solve it, like the XInclude case
15:09:59 <fsasaki> Felix: so people have to communicate how to decide the precedence
15:10:20 <fsasaki> action: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP document for precedence of tool specific linking
15:10:53 <fsasaki> action: Felix to see if the comparison tool can be smarter about namespace comparison (same ns but different prefix should be OK). (DONE)
15:12:29 <fsasaki> action: Yves to list the result issues to see how we can address them. (DONE)
15:12:41 <fsasaki> Yves: we started on going through that, will continue
15:12:54 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0050.html
15:13:28 <fsasaki> Yves: we all made many fixes
15:14:21 <fsasaki> .. I have to fix locNoteRefPointer attribute. Sebastian is test 1, I'm test 2, Felix is test 3
15:15:13 <fsasaki> .. for translatability, we match for everything
15:15:41 <fsasaki> action: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like. (DONE)
15:15:51 <fsasaki> s/DONE/PENDING/
15:16:09 <fsasaki> action: Yves to re-ask Andrzej about inheritence and overriding for example (DONE)
15:16:54 <fsasaki> Andrzej: there was one bug in our implementation, we are fixing that
15:17:19 <fsasaki> topic: NVDL and ITS
15:17:40 <fsasaki> Sebastian: would be an illustration of how to validate things
15:17:52 <fsasaki> .. Felix asked how to expand it to XSD
15:19:36 <fsasaki> Yves: proposal is to add a section on validation of ITS with NVDL. Currently there is a subsection with Schematron. 
15:20:06 <fsasaki> (see the discussion at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0030.html)
15:20:54 <fsasaki> Christian: not sure if we should do s.t. to the spec now, concerned about time
15:21:07 <fsasaki> Yves: if Jirka writes the section, it would not be much work for the editors
15:21:41 <fsasaki> Christian: what is the relevance of NVDL?
15:21:52 <fsasaki> Sebastian: part of an ISO proposal for schema validation
15:22:36 <fsasaki> Felix: SVG tiny 1.2 uses NVDL as well
15:22:57 <fsasaki> Christian: If Jirka supplies the first draft, we should go for it
15:24:34 <fsasaki> Felix: NVDL is interesting new technology, but we should not spend much time on it, since it is not a core interest for internationalization / localization
15:24:59 <fsasaki> NVDL is part of http://www.dsdl.org/
15:25:51 <rahtz> Yes, I just found the same url...
15:25:59 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
15:26:06 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees with a section on NVDL if Jirka provides the main input. We will discuss later if an how it can be integrated in the document
15:26:12 <fsasaki> topic: open issues of the tagset draft
15:26:24 <fsasaki> Yves: nothing new, just need to close them after implementation in the spec
15:28:13 <fsasaki> topic: time schedule
15:29:19 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
15:29:32 <fsasaki> Felix: we would need to be finished with implementations and spec editing until 27 February to be able to be a REC in March
15:29:40 <fsasaki> s/March/27 March/
15:30:55 <fsasaki> Sebastian: we still need to create ruby files
15:31:04 <fsasaki> Felix: working on that
15:31:17 <fsasaki> action: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation
15:31:34 <fsasaki> Sebastian: we are relying on hand-crafted examples
15:31:44 <fsasaki> .. would be nice if we would get input from Jirka
15:32:07 <fsasaki> action: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the tests make sense
15:33:08 <fsasaki> Sebastian: what else has to be done to be able to leave CR?
15:35:40 <fsasaki> Felix: we need to write a section on XHTML modularization, I can do that
15:36:33 <fsasaki> action: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for the XML i18n BP document
15:37:54 <fsasaki> Felix: has everybody time in the next for weeks?
15:37:57 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/Dir1.xml
15:38:56 <fsasaki> Sebastian: will be away at the end of this month for 3 days, except that I'm available
15:39:15 <fsasaki> topic: directionality
15:39:29 <fsasaki> Sebastian: what is the inheritance for directionality?
15:39:35 <fsasaki> Yves: child elements and attributes
15:40:37 <fsasaki> Sebastian: Dir1.xml is strange because xml:lang has a directionality
15:42:35 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:42:41 <Zakim> -Yves
15:42:42 <Zakim> -Andrzej
15:52:04 <Zakim> -Felix
15:52:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:52:44 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:52:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.303.962.aaaa, Felix, [IPcaller], Yves, Sebastian_Rahtz, Andrzej, Christian
15:52:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
16:10:20 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-actions.rdf :
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS draft. (PENDING) [1]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-04-39
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute notations on the span element. (PENDING) [2]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-04-56
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the specification regarding precedence order wording. (ONGOING) [3]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-05-15
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP document for precedence of tool specific linking [4]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-10-20
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to see if the comparison tool can be smarter about namespace comparison (same ns but different prefix should be OK). (DONE) [5]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-10-53
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to list the result issues to see how we can address them. (DONE) [6]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-12-29
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like. (DONE) [7]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-15-41
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to re-ask Andrzej about inheritence and overriding for example (DONE) [8]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-16-09
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation [9]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-31-17
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the tests make sense [10]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-32-07
16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for the XML i18n BP document [11]
16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc#T15-36-33
16:10:24 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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