IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-01-24

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+ +1.216.445.aaaa
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+DanC
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+rreck
15:58:28 [DanC]
Zakim, aaaa is JohnClark
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+JohnClark; got it
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+??P6
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Zakim, ??P6 is BrianM
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+BrianM; got it
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+??P10
16:00:16 [briansuda]
Zakim, ???p10 is briansuda
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sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '???p10'
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Zakim, ??P10 is briansuda
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+briansuda; got it
16:01:27 [DanC]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see JohnClark, DanC, rreck, BrianM, briansuda
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Zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-23T11:00-0500" taken up
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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html minutes 17 Jan
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RESOLVED: to approve minutes 17 Jan
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Zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose briansuda
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Scribe: briansuda
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+Ian_Davis
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regrets: Chime, Fabien
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Zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see JohnClark, DanC, rreck, BrianM, briansuda, Ian_Davis
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Zakim, take up item 7
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agendum 7. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#base-param
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PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#base-param , including ...
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+ +1.919.668.aabb
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Zakim, aabb is HarryH
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+HarryH; got it
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Dan: base-param 1.2
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baseURI.html:
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$Revision: 1.2 $
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baseURI.rdf revision 1.1 date: 2006/12/25 06:18:07
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baseURI.html 1.2 date: 2007/01/12 23:06:58
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1.1 date: 2006/12/25 06:17:49 baseURI.xsl
16:12:49 [iand]
Zakim, mute me
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Ian_Davis should now be muted
16:13:02 [HarryH]
Apologies for being a bit late - laptop still broken and therefore having to deal with total lack of Uni. infrastructure :)
16:14:15 [DanC]
baseURI.rdf revision 1.1 date: 2006/12/25 06:18:07 has 2 triples, but only 1 seems licensed.
16:14:19 [DanC]
proposal doesn't carry
16:15:41 [iand]
hmmm
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ACTION BrianM: fix baseURI.xsl, re-propose testlist1#base-param
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 7 closed
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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-23T11:00-0500
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Zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-23T11:00-0500, closed
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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. [#issue-html-nsdoc]
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Zakim, open item 2
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agendum 2. "[#issue-html-nsdoc]" taken up
16:17:04 [briansuda]
Harry: 2 proposals
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health warning about NS caching
16:17:46 [DanC]
Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:52:56 -0000
16:18:08 [HarryH]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0067.html
16:18:12 [HarryH]
That's bwm
16:18:33 [DanC]
"GRDDL aware agents therefore should retrieve such documents on every reference" missing a "not"?
16:19:08 [briansuda]
Dan: this will end-up in appendix
16:19:10 [HarryH]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0041.html
16:19:13 [HarryH]
That's Danja's
16:20:12 [briansuda]
brian: caching implies keeping the original documented - not needed, just keep the reference
16:20:18 [DanC]
(keeping information is caching, to me. but oh well.)
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0046.html
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HarryH's added sentence.
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brian: shouldn't pull the HTML ns 1000 times a sec
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+??P31
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that's me
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Harry: the issue is to let the user turn off or on
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caching
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Dan: this should be covered by bwm's proposal
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brian: ... allow the memory to be disabled
16:24:32 [HarryH]
I would add sentence
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brian: is fine with 'memory' or 'cache'
16:24:38 [rreck]
i like cache better than local memory
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Harry: is happy with either term
16:25:00 [iand]
cache is good for me too
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"The cache is a copy of the GRDDL Transformation in local memory"
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PROPOSED: to close #issue-html-nsdoc a la bwm's msg of 24 Jan 2007 15:52:56 -0000 with perhaps "cache" replacing "local memory" and with something about clearing the cache at user option
16:27:56 [iand]
yes
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fine by me
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RESOLVED
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Harry: does this also solve the issue with XML ns
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Harry: implication XHTML is not treated specially
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unless specified
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. [#issue-http-header-links]
16:30:08 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "[#issue-http-header-links]" taken up
16:30:15 [iand]
Zakim, unmute me
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Ian_Davis should no longer be muted
16:30:30 [briansuda]
ian: almost ready to send something out later today
16:30:32 [HarryH]
Zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents
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Zakim, open item 4
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agendum 4. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up
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ACTION: IanD to propose some details for GRDDL links in HTTP [CONTINUES]
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
16:31:15 [HarryH]
Zakim, open item 5
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agendum 5. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
16:31:38 [briansuda]
Dan: Turtle MimeType test works
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#atomttl1
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PROPOSAL: To approve test http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#atomttl1
16:32:49 [briansuda]
Dan: is happy with the progress
16:33:04 [briansuda]
Dan: no movement on getting mimetype registered
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RESOLVED
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bwm: what if mimetype is missing
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Dan: N3 as output in test case
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Harry: RDF/XML XSLT 1.0 cases
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GRDDL result does NOT have a correct media type
16:36:21 [DanC]
"Ok, I'll take that action." -- bwm Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:46:02 -0000
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Harry: Ben is happy to work on hGRDDL, but not part of GRDDL duties
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ACTION: bwm to produce a test case with GRDDL transforms on two different representations (HTML and SVG) of the same information resource.
16:37:22 [briansuda]
Dan: 2 ways RDFa interacts with GRDDL
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RDFa and input... and
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GRDDL source doc is RDFa, RDFa -> RDF/xml
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2nd way...
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source doc, transformation creates RDFa as output... GRDDL agent knows about RDFa and gets graph from it
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Dan: get a test or drop this
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Harry
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Harry: ben need to pick this up, continue his action or drop this
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bwm: alot of implementation will fail this test case
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 5 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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6. [#issue-mt-ns]
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Zakim, open item 6
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agendum 6. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
16:41:16 [briansuda]
Harry: what is your opinion about test sweet about getting 2 different results
16:43:22 [briansuda]
Harry: should we pass Murry's action to someone else or give him one more week?
16:43:30 [DanC]
danja, see section "Manifest Format" in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1
16:43:47 [danja]
thanks!
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 6 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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8. Primer Document
16:44:05 [HarryH]
Zakim open item 7
16:44:16 [DanC]
Zakim, take up item Primer
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agendum 8. "Primer Document" taken up
16:44:24 [briansuda]
Harry: john, any movement on HL7?
16:44:32 [briansuda]
John: not at the moment
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Harry: DBooth wants a plain XML in use-case
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Dan: we need to answer his comment
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Danny: can create an Atom->RDF for the primer
16:46:30 [briansuda]
Harry: we have the HL7 and when we get the prose it should be fine
16:47:43 [HarryH]
ACTION: IanD to sort out SPARQL Query.
16:48:02 [briansuda]
Harry: update jane's schedule to RDFa
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Dan: worries about primer getting out of sync with RDFa, but that's life
16:49:40 [briansuda]
Iam: is there a plain XML format for Calendaring?
16:50:16 [iand]
what about http://xml.coverpages.org/iCal.html
16:50:26 [DanC]
http://xml.coverpages.org/iCal.html
16:50:29 [DanC]
yeah; that one
16:50:37 [HarryH]
ACTION: Harry to add Jane schedule to RDFa
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Zakim, close this item
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agendum 8 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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9. GRDDL Spec: General issues
16:50:50 [HarryH]
Zakim, open item 9
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agendum 9. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
16:52:27 [briansuda]
Dan: has made spec work progress
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Meeting Adjourned
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
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-BrianM
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-Ian_Davis
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RRSAgent, make logs world-access
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
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Meeting: GRDDL WG Weekly
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, rreck, JohnClark, BrianM, briansuda, Ian_Davis, +1.919.668.aabb, HarryH
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Chair: HarryH
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
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Date: 2007/01/24 16:55:10
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-??P31
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-JohnClark
16:55:53 [DanC]
briansuda, the version of 2007/01/24 16:55:10 is pretty close; whack the diagnostics off and send it, pls
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16:59:19 [DanC]
ew... transition documentation is hard to get to.
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RRSAgent, stop