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14:52:57 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n Core WG
14:53:02 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
14:53:04 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:53:09 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:53:15 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0018.html
14:53:20 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
14:59:36 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
14:59:36 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
14:59:37 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:59:38 <Zakim> +Felix
15:00:32 <Zakim> +Michael_Monaghan
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15:01:47 <Zakim> +Ienup_Sung
15:01:47 <Zakim> +??P30
15:01:55 <fyergeau> zakim, ? is fyergeau
15:01:55 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
15:03:05 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0018.html
15:03:13 <fsasaki> topic: last week minutes
15:03:19 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes
15:03:37 <fsasaki> approved minutes
15:03:46 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:04:07 <fsasaki> action: all to look at the C064 issue (ONGOING)
15:04:31 <fsasaki> action: Felix to describe potential data binding review (DONE)
15:04:35 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0012.html
15:04:49 <fsasaki> s/12/13/
15:05:44 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to the CSS WG saying that we did not come to do the CSS 2.1 review and need an extension until 16 Februrary (DONE)
15:05:50 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0016.html
15:06:14 <fsasaki> Felix: no reply yet
15:06:34 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to WS policy and say i18n core is fine with the pocliy drafts (DONE)
15:06:46 <fsasaki> Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have IRI xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have them within the xml schema conformance test suite (DONE)
15:07:03 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have IRI xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have them within the xml schema conformance test suite (DONE)
15:07:31 <fsasaki> action: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply to him (PENDING)
15:07:52 <fsasaki> action: Richard to go back to PLS folks (DONE)
15:08:53 <fsasaki> action: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)
15:09:17 <fsasaki> action: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (PENDING)
15:09:40 <fsasaki> action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
15:10:01 <fsasaki> action: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations (PENDING)
15:10:59 <fsasaki> action: Michael to do the IDN work update (DONE)
15:11:19 <fsasaki> Michael: drafted a scenario, I'll send it at the end of today
15:11:41 <fsasaki> Felix: tx, we will discuss it next week
15:12:15 <fsasaki> Michael: tested various browsers on Windows
15:12:42 <fsasaki> .. I'll put the information in the draft
15:12:57 <fsasaki> topic: Charmod C064 considered unclear
15:15:00 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0013.html
15:18:32 <fsasaki> (Felix explains the mail)
15:18:53 <fsasaki> Francois: Unicode page has evolved since we promoted charmod
15:20:00 <fsasaki> .. so charmod norm in relation to that Unicode page is a bit akward
15:21:01 <fsasaki> .. we put a reference to C063 and C064 to avoid references to e.g. Unicode 1.0
15:22:18 <fsasaki> .. I see Bjoerns point now, the latest version does not mean necessarly the latest published version
15:22:42 <fsasaki> .. if the latest book is the level of precision you need, that is fine
15:23:16 <fsasaki> .. I would put a note after C064 and C065 saying that
15:23:44 <fsasaki> Felix: adding a note without changing the statement is fine
15:24:19 <fsasaki> action: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065
15:25:29 <fsasaki> Felix: should we maintain a reference?
15:25:39 <fsasaki> Michael: no opinion
15:25:50 <fsasaki> Ienup: we should avoid dublicatoin
15:26:02 <fsasaki> s/dublicatoin/dublication/
15:26:11 <fsasaki> .. it is responsibility of the Unicode consortium, not the W3C WG
15:26:38 <fsasaki> .. I had a question: why do we have the contradictory wording, with Francois statement, I now understand
15:26:53 <fsasaki> .. making a clarification, Bjoern might be ok
15:28:04 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0031.html
15:29:33 <fsasaki> Francois: we cannot maintain that information
15:29:47 <fsasaki> Ienup: we could point Bjoern to the URL from Unicode
15:31:33 <fyergeau> http://www.unicode.org/versions/enumeratedversions.html#Latest
15:32:01 <fsasaki> Francois: we cannot give a guarentee if Unicode will maintain that pages
15:32:26 <fsasaki> Ienup: we could ask the Unicode UTC for a clarification
15:32:38 <fsasaki> .. i..e wether the URI will be maintained
15:32:50 <fsasaki> .. next meeting will be in February
15:33:05 <fsasaki> .. Feb 6-9
15:33:57 <fsasaki> action: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode
15:34:17 <fsasaki> Ienup: I will write a mail about the question to you guys
15:34:21 <fsasaki> Felix: ok
15:34:41 <fsasaki> topic: LC drafts
15:36:10 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to VBWG asking about our CCXML comments
15:36:50 <fsasaki> Felix: input to data binding comments, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0012.html
15:39:58 <fsasaki> Felix: should we ask them to information about the BOM?
15:40:13 <fsasaki> Francois: worried about that. BOM is specified in XML spec itself
15:45:33 <fsasaki> .. don't think we should make it too wide
15:45:58 <fsasaki> .. we should not make it too wide. Pointing to the Unicode FAQ is a good idea
15:46:32 <fsasaki> Ienup: agree, we should refer to Unicode FAQ
15:47:57 <fsasaki> Felix: next comment: should they refer to XML 1.1 as well?
15:48:38 <fsasaki> Francois: for XML Schema 1.0 it does not make sense, since it is XML 1.0, for implementations it is useful
15:48:55 <fsasaki> Felix: the spec is not about implementations, so let's drop this comment
15:50:16 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-timezone-20051013/
15:53:56 <fsasaki> Francois: good to have a note about the differences between dateTime in xml schema and programming languages
15:55:19 <fsasaki> .. on languageElement: agree with asking for a reference to BCP 47
15:56:25 <fsasaki> topic: xml:base
15:56:49 <fsasaki> Francois: I'll try to make a reply to Martin before 31 January
15:56:54 <fsasaki> topic: c14n
15:57:03 <fsasaki> Ienup: the document mentions BOM
15:57:20 <fsasaki> .. saying that BOM should be stripped out for utf-16
15:57:59 <fsasaki> .. it is referencing quite old definitions for utf-8 and utf-16, they are quite outdated, they should reference the current version of Unicode instead
15:58:14 <fsasaki> .. that reference has important information related to security
15:58:46 <fsasaki> Francois: for BOM, I need to look at the spec. As for the references: these are for the RFCs which control what utf-8 / utf-16 is on the internet
15:59:04 <fsasaki> .. I think this should remain references to the proper RFCs, only utf-8 needs to be updated
15:59:10 <fsasaki> .. for the BOM: where do you want a change?
15:59:14 <fsasaki> Ienup: sec 2.1
16:00:49 <fsasaki> "For UTF-16, the leading byte order mark is treated as an artifact of encoding and stripped from the UCS character data (subsequent zero width non-breaking spaces appearing within the UTF-16 data are not removed) [UTF-16, Section 3.2]"
16:00:55 <fsasaki> should also mention utf-8
16:01:09 <fsasaki> Francois: also update the references to Unicode
16:01:35 <fsasaki> .. and rfc 2279 to 3629
16:02:34 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to xml core with our comments on c14n
16:03:35 <Zakim> -fyergeau
16:03:38 <Zakim> -Michael_Monaghan
16:03:41 <Zakim> -Ienup_Sung
16:03:42 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
16:03:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Michael_Monaghan, Ienup_Sung, fyergeau
16:04:36 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
16:16:00 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
16:16:02 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:16:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
16:32:18 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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16:32:22 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> I see 16 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-actions.rdf :
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all to look at the C064 issue (ONGOING) [1]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-04-07
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to describe potential data binding review (DONE) [2]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-04-31
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to go back to the CSS WG saying that we did not come to do the CSS 2.1 review and need an extension until 16 Februrary (DONE) [3]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-05-44
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to go back to WS policy and say i18n core is fine with the pocliy drafts (DONE) [4]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-06-34
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have IRI xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have them within the xml schema conformance test suite (DONE) [5]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-07-03
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply to him (PENDING) [6]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-07-31
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to go back to PLS folks (DONE) [7]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-07-52
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING) [8]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-08-53
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (PENDING) [9]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-09-17
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [10]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-09-40
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations (PENDING) [11]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-10-01
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to do the IDN work update (DONE) [12]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-10-59
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 [13]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-24-19
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode [14]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-33-57
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to go back to VBWG asking about our CCXML comments [15]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T15-36-10
16:32:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to go back to xml core with our comments on c14n [16]
16:32:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-irc#T16-02-34
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