IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-01-17

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15:36:30 [rreck]

can i grab a bite to eat first, give me a like 5

16:00:59 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, take up item 1

16:01:00 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-17T11:00-0500" taken up

16:01:03 [iand]

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16:01:06 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

16:01:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.703.956.aaaa, [IPcaller], DanC

16:01:14 [chimezie]

DanC: I'm unable to pull from homer.w3.org:8123

16:01:32 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, aaaa is rreck

16:01:32 [Zakim]

+rreck; got it

16:01:41 [Zakim]

+[Sophia]

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+Murray_Maloney

16:01:49 [FabienG]

zakim, [Sophia] is FabienG

16:01:49 [Zakim]

+FabienG; got it

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+??P21

16:01:56 [briansuda]

Zakim, +??P21 is briansuda

16:01:56 [Zakim]

sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+??P21'

16:02:11 [briansuda]

Zakim, ??P21 is briansuda

16:02:11 [Zakim]

+briansuda; got it

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16:02:14 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja

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+danja; got it

16:02:18 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

16:02:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, danja, DanC, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, briansuda

16:02:20 [Zakim]

+??P27

16:02:23 [Zakim]

+Ian_Davis

16:02:33 [chimezie]

Zakim, P27 is chimezie

16:02:33 [Zakim]

sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'

16:02:38 [chimezie]

Zakim, ??P27 is chimezie

16:02:38 [Zakim]

+chimezie; got it

16:04:04 [DanC_lap]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0014.html minutes 10 Jan

16:04:47 [DanC_lap]

RESOLVED: to accept minutes 10 Jan

16:04:55 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

16:04:55 [Zakim]

On the phone I see rreck, danja, DanC, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, chimezie, Ian_Davis

16:05:00 [Zakim]

+ +1.919.457.aabb

16:05:11 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, aabb is HarryH

16:05:11 [Zakim]

+HarryH; got it

16:05:28 [DanC_lap]

HH: my laptop is kaput

16:06:31 [DanC_lap]

RESOLVED: to meet 24 Jan, chime to scribe, regrets Murray

16:06:43 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:06:43 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "[#issue-html-nsdoc]" taken up

16:08:23 [DanC_lap]

Harry: where did this come from? what are the positions?

16:09:07 [DanC_lap]

DanC: I added it while thinking about RDFa... some plans for RDFa involve adding a pointer from the XHTML namespace document to an RDFa transformation

16:10:30 [DanC_lap]

danja: why treat XHTML special? what about SVG?

16:11:58 [DanC_lap]

Murray: a better way would be for GRDDL processors to have config files... e.g. in an HL7 context, they'll want to cache HL7 namespaces...

16:13:53 [DanC_lap]

Chime: let's be explicit in one of 2 ways: (1) it's a stopping point; there's no transformations there (2) there's a transformation there, e.g. RDFa

16:14:49 [DanC_lap]

DanC: I think config files are a reasonable implementation approach, but as for the spec, that can be endorsed silently, under an implicit "do The Right Thing"

16:18:31 [DanC_lap]

Ron: what's the downside of being silent?

16:19:28 [DanC_lap]

DanC: one risk is that future implementations will follow current implementations, ...

16:20:47 [DanC_lap]

... which don't check the XHTML namespace documents; then RDFa folks try to deploy a transformation at the XHTML namespace document, and the grddl implementations would lose.

16:21:12 [DanC_lap]

Danny: how about some sort of "you should check that your copies are reasonably current"

16:21:27 [DanC_lap]

DanC: I think a health-warning like that is appropriate; are you willing to draft something?

16:21:53 [DanC_lap]

Danny: I think so

16:22:05 [DanC_lap]

ACTION Danja: draft a health warninng about caching namespace documents.

16:22:09 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:22:09 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "[#issue-tx-element]" taken up

16:22:50 [DanC_lap]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0018.html danc on tx-element

16:27:15 [DanC_lap]

RESOLVED: to postpone issue-tx-element

16:27:26 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:27:26 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "[#issue-conformance-labels]" taken up

16:29:24 [DanC_lap]

HH: we have adopted consistent terminology: GRDDL aware agent, source document, result [?]

16:29:33 [DanC_lap]

... though not conformance label yet

16:30:03 [chimezie]

My niave interpretation is that the spec defines what an agent is

16:30:25 [DanC_lap]

RESOLVED: to use consistent vocabulary, but not use them as conformance labels.

16:30:32 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:30:32 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "[#issue-http-header-links]" taken up

16:31:00 [DanC_lap]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0088.html GRDDL links in HTTP? (new issue?)

16:31:09 [rreck]

can anyone just give zakim some commands, or is he tied to the scribe?

16:32:14 [danja]

for ref : http://www.mnot.net/blog/2006/06/22/link

16:33:46 [chimezie]

rreck: anyone can (if you know the commands)

16:34:42 [DanC_lap]

ACTION IanD: propose some details for GRDDL links in HTTP

16:35:02 [DanC_lap]

anyone can, rreck

16:35:05 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:35:05 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up

16:37:02 [DanC_lap]

ACTION: DanC to give Brian McBride CVS access [CONTINUES]

16:37:19 [DanC_lap]

ACTION: HarryH to check in a test case on content negotiation [CONTINUES]

16:38:43 [DanC_lap]

. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1 "Test suite version control"

16:39:42 [DanC_lap]

DanC: some progress on EARL

16:39:46 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:39:46 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up

16:40:14 [DanC_lap]

3 actions continue

16:40:16 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:40:16 [Zakim]

agendum 7 was just opened, DanC_lap

16:40:20 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, close item 7

16:40:20 [Zakim]

agendum 7, [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML, closed

16:40:22 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

16:40:23 [Zakim]

8. [#issue-mt-ns]

16:40:24 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

16:40:24 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up

16:40:37 [DanC_lap]

ACTION: Murry to draft paragraph giving us caveat for faithful infoset issue closure. [CONTINUES]

16:49:36 [DanC_lap]

current spec is: "If an information resource IR is represented by an XML document whose root node is" ...

16:54:36 [danja]

brb (log on fire)

17:14:09 [DanC_lap]

chime: is it coherent to say that both the xincluding-using and the not-xinclude-using outcomes are grddl resutls?

17:14:18 [DanC_lap]

Murray: yes, they're both GRDDL results

17:15:54 [Zakim]

-Murray_Maloney

17:15:56 [DanC_lap]

DanC: I think that's bad web architecture to allow this ambiguity, but I probably wouldn't object

17:16:08 [DanC_lap]

ACTION Chime: work on details of 2 allowed results of xinclude test

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 9. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up

17:17:13 [DanC_lap]

Harry: I'm having trouble running this test

17:17:56 [DanC_lap]

ACTION Danny: test #base-param and e-mail group

17:18:29 [DanC_lap]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#base-param

17:19:13 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, next item

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agendum 10. "Primer Document" taken up

17:19:31 [DanC_lap]

ACTION:Chime's add HL7 plain XML health care use-case and check it into test suite.

17:20:20 [DanC_lap]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0024.html chime's hl7 work

17:20:40 [DanC_lap]

HH: comments have asked for (1) plain XML, not XHTML, (2) something with non-trivial entialment

17:21:41 [DanC_lap]

ACTION Chime: propose some primer text for the hl7 case

17:22:00 [briansuda]

yes

17:22:05 [rreck]

me neither

17:22:25 [briansuda]

sure, i email Ian and CC WG

17:22:42 [DanC_lap]

good

17:23:28 [DanC_lap]

ian, pls ack hh's request (I can't quite hear him)

17:23:37 [iand]

yes

17:23:40 [DanC_lap]

HH: Ian, please [something

17:23:41 [DanC_lap]

Ian: OK

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s/something/link rq files/

17:24:04 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, is Fabien on the phone?

17:24:05 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, DanC_lap.

17:24:10 [DanC_lap]

Zakim, is Fabien here?

17:24:11 [Zakim]

probably, DanC_lap; FabienG arrived 82 minutes ago

17:24:50 [DanC_lap]

ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL

17:24:56 [DanC_lap]

fabien, continue that one? or withdraw?

17:25:16 [DanC_lap]

-- continues

17:25:47 [DanC_lap]

HH: note SAWSDL expanded scope to not just WSDL but also XML Schema. So this seems important.

17:26:27 [DanC_lap]

ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [CONTINUES]

17:26:30 [Zakim]

-chimezie

17:26:36 [DanC_lap]

ADJOURN.

17:26:40 [Zakim]

-Ian_Davis

17:26:45 [DanC_lap]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

17:26:45 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC_lap

17:26:57 [Zakim]

-FabienG

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-briansuda

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-danja

17:27:47 [DanC_lap]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

17:31:28 [Zakim]

-HarryH

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-DanC

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-rreck

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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.703.956.aaaa, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, briansuda, danja, Ian_Davis, chimezie, +1.919.457.aabb, HarryH

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19:46:16 [DanC_lap]

Meeting: GRDDL Weekly

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Chair: HenryH

19:46:31 [DanC_lap]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

19:46:31 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC_lap

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