15:36:29 RRSAgent has joined #grddl-wg 15:36:29 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-irc 15:36:30 can i grab a bite to eat first, give me a like 5 15:36:34 RRSAgent, stop 16:00:59 Zakim, take up item 1 16:01:00 agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-17T11:00-0500" taken up 16:01:03 iand has joined #grddl-wg 16:01:06 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:01:06 On the phone I see +1.703.956.aaaa, [IPcaller], DanC 16:01:14 DanC: I'm unable to pull from homer.w3.org:8123 16:01:32 Zakim, aaaa is rreck 16:01:32 +rreck; got it 16:01:41 +[Sophia] 16:01:44 +Murray_Maloney 16:01:49 zakim, [Sophia] is FabienG 16:01:49 +FabienG; got it 16:01:50 +??P21 16:01:56 Zakim, +??P21 is briansuda 16:01:56 sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+??P21' 16:02:11 Zakim, ??P21 is briansuda 16:02:11 +briansuda; got it 16:02:12 danja has joined #grddl-wg 16:02:14 Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja 16:02:14 +danja; got it 16:02:18 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:02:18 On the phone I see rreck, danja, DanC, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, briansuda 16:02:20 +??P27 16:02:23 +Ian_Davis 16:02:33 Zakim, P27 is chimezie 16:02:33 sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named 'P27' 16:02:38 Zakim, ??P27 is chimezie 16:02:38 +chimezie; got it 16:04:04 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0014.html minutes 10 Jan 16:04:47 RESOLVED: to accept minutes 10 Jan 16:04:55 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:04:55 On the phone I see rreck, danja, DanC, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, chimezie, Ian_Davis 16:05:00 + +1.919.457.aabb 16:05:11 Zakim, aabb is HarryH 16:05:11 +HarryH; got it 16:05:28 HH: my laptop is kaput 16:06:31 RESOLVED: to meet 24 Jan, chime to scribe, regrets Murray 16:06:43 Zakim, next item 16:06:43 agendum 2. "[#issue-html-nsdoc]" taken up 16:08:23 Harry: where did this come from? what are the positions? 16:09:07 DanC: I added it while thinking about RDFa... some plans for RDFa involve adding a pointer from the XHTML namespace document to an RDFa transformation 16:10:30 danja: why treat XHTML special? what about SVG? 16:11:58 Murray: a better way would be for GRDDL processors to have config files... e.g. in an HL7 context, they'll want to cache HL7 namespaces... 16:13:53 Chime: let's be explicit in one of 2 ways: (1) it's a stopping point; there's no transformations there (2) there's a transformation there, e.g. RDFa 16:14:49 DanC: I think config files are a reasonable implementation approach, but as for the spec, that can be endorsed silently, under an implicit "do The Right Thing" 16:18:31 Ron: what's the downside of being silent? 16:19:28 DanC: one risk is that future implementations will follow current implementations, ... 16:20:47 ... which don't check the XHTML namespace documents; then RDFa folks try to deploy a transformation at the XHTML namespace document, and the grddl implementations would lose. 16:21:12 Danny: how about some sort of "you should check that your copies are reasonably current" 16:21:27 DanC: I think a health-warning like that is appropriate; are you willing to draft something? 16:21:53 Danny: I think so 16:22:05 ACTION Danja: draft a health warninng about caching namespace documents. 16:22:09 Zakim, next item 16:22:09 agendum 3. "[#issue-tx-element]" taken up 16:22:50 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0018.html danc on tx-element 16:27:15 RESOLVED: to postpone issue-tx-element 16:27:26 Zakim, next item 16:27:26 agendum 4. "[#issue-conformance-labels]" taken up 16:29:24 HH: we have adopted consistent terminology: GRDDL aware agent, source document, result [?] 16:29:33 ... though not conformance label yet 16:30:03 My niave interpretation is that the spec defines what an agent is 16:30:25 RESOLVED: to use consistent vocabulary, but not use them as conformance labels. 16:30:32 Zakim, next item 16:30:32 agendum 5. "[#issue-http-header-links]" taken up 16:31:00 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0088.html GRDDL links in HTTP? (new issue?) 16:31:09 can anyone just give zakim some commands, or is he tied to the scribe? 16:32:14 for ref : http://www.mnot.net/blog/2006/06/22/link 16:33:46 rreck: anyone can (if you know the commands) 16:34:42 ACTION IanD: propose some details for GRDDL links in HTTP 16:35:02 anyone can, rreck 16:35:05 Zakim, next item 16:35:05 agendum 6. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up 16:37:02 ACTION: DanC to give Brian McBride CVS access [CONTINUES] 16:37:19 ACTION: HarryH to check in a test case on content negotiation [CONTINUES] 16:38:43 . http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1 "Test suite version control" 16:39:42 DanC: some progress on EARL 16:39:46 Zakim, next item 16:39:46 agendum 7. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up 16:40:14 3 actions continue 16:40:16 Zakim, next item 16:40:16 agendum 7 was just opened, DanC_lap 16:40:20 Zakim, close item 7 16:40:20 agendum 7, [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML, closed 16:40:22 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:40:23 8. [#issue-mt-ns] 16:40:24 Zakim, next item 16:40:24 agendum 8. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up 16:40:37 ACTION: Murry to draft paragraph giving us caveat for faithful infoset issue closure. [CONTINUES] 16:49:36 current spec is: "If an information resource IR is represented by an XML document whose root node is" ... 16:54:36 brb (log on fire) 17:14:09 chime: is it coherent to say that both the xincluding-using and the not-xinclude-using outcomes are grddl resutls? 17:14:18 Murray: yes, they're both GRDDL results 17:15:54 -Murray_Maloney 17:15:56 DanC: I think that's bad web architecture to allow this ambiguity, but I probably wouldn't object 17:16:08 ACTION Chime: work on details of 2 allowed results of xinclude test 17:16:27 Zakim, next item 17:16:27 agendum 9. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up 17:17:13 Harry: I'm having trouble running this test 17:17:56 ACTION Danny: test #base-param and e-mail group 17:18:29 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#base-param 17:19:13 Zakim, next item 17:19:13 agendum 10. "Primer Document" taken up 17:19:31 ACTION:Chime's add HL7 plain XML health care use-case and check it into test suite. 17:20:20 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0024.html chime's hl7 work 17:20:40 HH: comments have asked for (1) plain XML, not XHTML, (2) something with non-trivial entialment 17:21:41 ACTION Chime: propose some primer text for the hl7 case 17:22:00 yes 17:22:05 me neither 17:22:25 sure, i email Ian and CC WG 17:22:42 good 17:23:28 ian, pls ack hh's request (I can't quite hear him) 17:23:37 yes 17:23:40 HH: Ian, please [something 17:23:41 Ian: OK 17:23:44 DanC_lap has left #grddl-wg 17:23:48 DanC_lap has joined #grddl-wg 17:23:53 s/something/link rq files/ 17:24:04 Zakim, is Fabien on the phone? 17:24:05 I don't understand your question, DanC_lap. 17:24:10 Zakim, is Fabien here? 17:24:11 probably, DanC_lap; FabienG arrived 82 minutes ago 17:24:50 ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL 17:24:56 fabien, continue that one? or withdraw? 17:25:16 -- continues 17:25:47 HH: note SAWSDL expanded scope to not just WSDL but also XML Schema. So this seems important. 17:26:27 ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [CONTINUES] 17:26:30 -chimezie 17:26:36 ADJOURN. 17:26:40 -Ian_Davis 17:26:45 RRSAgent, draft minutes 17:26:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC_lap 17:26:57 -FabienG 17:27:04 -briansuda 17:27:12 -danja 17:27:47 RRSAgent, make logs world-access 17:31:28 -HarryH 17:34:48 danja has joined #grddl-wg 17:38:00 -DanC 17:38:01 -rreck 17:38:03 SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended 17:38:04 Attendees were +1.703.956.aaaa, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, briansuda, danja, Ian_Davis, chimezie, +1.919.457.aabb, HarryH 18:54:46 chimezie has joined #grddl-wg 18:55:19 chimezie has left #grddl-wg 19:12:56 briansuda_ has joined #grddl-wg 19:46:16 Meeting: GRDDL Weekly 19:46:28 Chair: HenryH 19:46:31 RRSAgent, draft minutes 19:46:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC_lap 20:44:35 DanC_lap has joined #grddl-wg 21:06:08 danja has joined #grddl-wg 22:32:26 chimezie has joined #grddl-wg 22:55:33 DanC_lap has joined #grddl-wg