15:57:39 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #swd
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15:57:43 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
15:57:43 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-irc#T15-57-43
15:57:48 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
15:57:48 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
15:57:56 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
15:58:00 <TomB> Chair: Tom
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15:59:41 <guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0039.html
15:59:51 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0039.html
15:59:55 <TomB> Chair: Tom
15:59:56 <Zakim> +??P9
16:00:04 <TomB> Chair: Guus
16:00:21 <Antoine> Antoine has joined #swd
16:00:21 <guus> zakim, ??p9 is Daniel
16:00:21 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it
16:00:28 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html
16:01:25 <Zakim> +??P0
16:01:27 <Zakim> +CarlosI
16:01:32 <berrueta> zakim, CarlosI is me
16:01:32 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
16:01:34 <TomB> Regrets: Elisa, Sean
16:01:43 <RalphS> Regrets+ Ralph
16:01:44 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
16:01:45 <guus> zakim, ??p0 is Sean
16:01:45 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
16:01:47 <Zakim> + +7.031.4.aaaa
16:02:06 <dlrubin> scribenick: dlrubin
16:02:13 <guus> zakim, 7.031.4.aaaa is Antoine
16:02:14 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not recognize a party named '7.031.4.aaaa'
16:02:54 <TomB> Regrets+ BenA
16:04:07 <dlrubin> Chair: Guus
16:04:21 <TomB> scribenick: dlrubin
16:04:28 <RalphS> Previous: 2007-01-09 http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html
16:04:29 <aliman> aliman has joined #swd
16:04:30 <JonP> JonP has joined #swd
16:04:32 <dlrubin> Topic: Amin
16:04:43 <dlrubin> Topic: Admin
16:05:24 <Zakim> +??P40
16:05:24 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
16:05:24 <TomB> Regrets+ Bernard
16:06:26 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:06:28 <dlrubin> Guus: The agenda is on the wiki for the F2F
16:07:37 <dlrubin> Guus: Monday night is meeting with Semantic Web group.
16:07:43 <dlrubin> ...everyone is invited
16:08:13 <TomB> zakim, who is making noise?
16:08:24 <Zakim> TomB, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (80%), ??P7 (44%), aliman (13%)
16:08:51 <dlrubin> Chair: Tom
16:09:06 <guus> zakim mute Guus
16:09:11 <seanb> might also be me making noise as I'm skyping in......
16:09:17 <TomB> zakim, please mute Guus
16:09:17 <Zakim> sorry, TomB, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Guus
16:09:26 <TomB> zakim, who is on the call?
16:09:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P7, Daniel, Sean, Antoine, aliman, Jon_Phipps
16:09:44 <guus> ok
16:10:04 <Zakim> +berrueta
16:10:12 <dlrubin> Tom: Proposal to accept minutes from last tcon...
16:10:16 <guus> second
16:10:25 <dlrubin> ...accepted
16:10:37 <dlrubin> ...Next tcon on Jan 30.
16:11:12 <dlrubin> [continued] ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:11:20 <TomB> --continued
16:11:53 <dlrubin> Tom: Face-to-face organizational issues
16:12:01 <dlrubin> ...Everyone should be registered for the F2F meeting
16:12:12 <dlrubin> See http://www.w3.org/2007/01/MGMoverview.html
16:12:28 <dlrubin> Agenda:
16:12:28 <dlrubin>   http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122
16:12:28 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122
16:13:01 <guus> we have now 10 ftf participants
16:13:01 <dlrubin> [DONE] ACTION: Everyone should be registered for the F2F by 10 Jan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:13:08 <guus> plus 4 observers
16:13:16 <dlrubin> Logistics:
16:13:17 <dlrubin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0031.html
16:13:36 <dlrubin> Topic: SKOS REQUIREMENTS 
16:14:10 <dlrubin> URIs for Issues:
16:14:10 <dlrubin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0025.html
16:14:27 <dlrubin> Topic: OTHER DELIVERABLES 
16:14:31 <guus> status use cases SKOS?
16:14:34 <aliman> q+ to ask about issue URI resolution
16:14:56 <dlrubin> Antoine: We have started the addition of use cases 
16:15:17 <dlrubin> ...Edited use cases on wiki is growing. There is both a summary and detailed versions.
16:15:31 <dlrubin> ...the summary will go into the edited use case document if the detail is appropriate.
16:15:51 <dlrubin> ...We have produced something that keeps the key details
16:16:26 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
16:16:54 <dlrubin> Antoine: half of our use cases have been edited.
16:17:02 <dlrubin> Tom: what do you mean by edited?
16:17:13 <dlrubin> Antoine: we have edited half of the use cases
16:17:23 <guus> Antoine et al: please post advice on the list with guidelines on what to read
16:17:31 <dlrubin> Tom: We have a delay in the channel
16:17:59 <dlrubin> ...We need to make clear the expectations of how the WG should prepare for the meeting.
16:18:26 <dlrubin> ...Should we all read the edited use cases? Or should we look at something else?
16:18:40 <dlrubin> Antoine: reading the edited use cases is good preparation. 
16:18:41 <guus> if we should read everything, pls give priority
16:18:55 <dlrubin> ...I can gather them into an html doc so people can read the summaries.
16:19:19 <guus>  Antoine: will you take an action for this?
16:19:22 <dlrubin> Tom: We should have some strategy for reading them. A sense of priority and which parts we should read carefully.
16:19:30 <aliman> scribenick: aliman
16:19:44 <aliman> daniel: different terminologies have different needs ...
16:19:58 <aliman> critical information to gather, some people have put it into use cases, some havent' ...
16:20:10 <aliman> don't know if we want to go to that level of detail for meeting?
16:20:11 <guus> yes, very relevant: this kind of provenance req
16:20:30 <dlrubin> ACTION: Antoine to post note to list describing how members of WG should prepare for the F2F
16:20:45 <guus> did Antoine agree?
16:20:50 <Antoine> I agree
16:20:54 <aliman> q+ to mention some thoughts on use cases
16:21:02 <TomB> ack aliman
16:21:02 <Zakim> aliman, you wanted to ask about issue URI resolution and to mention some thoughts on use cases
16:21:09 <dlrubin> ACTION: Daniel to state problem with suggestion of where to look in preparing for this discussion of collecting metadata requriements.
16:21:10 <guus> ack aliman
16:22:15 <dlrubin> Alister: We need to analyze the work going on to understand how SKOS fits in
16:22:33 <dlrubin> ...Then there would be another level of detail in which we determine how to represent vocabularies.
16:23:24 <dlrubin> Alister: The questionnaire was written to gather understanding of the work as well as get the level
16:23:35 <dlrubin> dlrubin: some people aren't providing that level of detail.
16:23:49 <dlrubin> Alister: we may need to go back to the communities
16:23:59 <dlrubin> ...I'm not sure the level of detail to focus on at the meeting
16:24:11 <dlrubin> Tom: we need to have guidance for a strategy for reading the material
16:25:09 <aliman> dlrubin: two-tiered approach
16:25:10 <guus> but we should also start listing reqs
16:25:25 <dlrubin> dlrubin: I suggest the F2F reviewing the application areas first and then summarizing the missing detail
16:25:43 <dlrubin> Alister: would be good idea to review the applications in context before going into detail
16:25:49 <guus> at the ftf
16:25:55 <aliman> Antoine has started a req list on http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/CandidateReqList
16:26:07 <dlrubin> Antoine: Perhaps we can start discussing based on this.
16:26:28 <dlrubin> ...When editing my use cases, I was thinking of RQs tested at my place. 
16:26:29 <guus> Antione: you could give a short shot at ftf
16:26:33 <aliman> s/Alister/Alistair/
16:26:42 <TomB> Antoine: has started a req list on http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/CandidateReqList
16:27:02 <aliman> Me saw http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/CandidateReqList - looks good so far :)
16:27:43 <guus> brainstorm session on reqs at ftf, with rough thoughts as input ?!
16:28:09 <guus> [pls]
16:28:10 <TomB> zakim, please unmute guus
16:28:10 <Zakim> sorry, TomB, I do not know which phone connection belongs to guus
16:28:29 <TomB> zakim, please unmute IPCaller
16:28:29 <Zakim> [IPcaller] should no longer be muted
16:28:42 <TomB> zakim, IPCaller is guus
16:28:43 <Zakim> sorry, TomB, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller'
16:29:04 <dlrubin> Guus: If the editors have the initial list, we can bootstrap the session with these thoughts at the F2F
16:29:16 <dlrubin> ...would be useful if have initial list, to work from that
16:29:23 <guus> zakim, mute IPCaller
16:29:23 <Zakim> sorry, guus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IPCaller
16:29:30 <dlrubin> Alister: I think the list is useful
16:29:48 <dlrubin> Tom: The list is useful for discussion?
16:29:50 <guus> zakim, mute guus
16:29:50 <Zakim> guus was already muted, guus
16:30:00 <dlrubin> Alister: yes, at least to have a look through that list
16:30:19 <dlrubin> Tom: so, we will focus on the RQ list
16:30:48 <dlrubin> Antoine: I can produce links to the UCs
16:30:58 <guus> great
16:31:19 <dlrubin> Tom: Anotine, you will be leading the discussion on UCs and RQs?
16:31:22 <dlrubin> Antoine: yes
16:31:28 <dlrubin> Tom: any other discussion?
16:31:42 <dlrubin> Alister: I'll roll out the new SKOS website later this week
16:31:55 <dlrubin> Topic: OTHER DELIVERABLES 
16:32:13 <dlrubin> Topic: RDF in XHTML
16:32:27 <guus> busy with the reviews
16:32:29 <dlrubin> [CONTINUE] ACTION: guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08]
16:32:51 <dlrubin> [CONTINUE] ACTION: guus/tomb to put item on f2f agenda to make publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09]
16:33:06 <guus> reviews expected to be completed on Thursday
16:33:09 <dlrubin> [DONE] ACTION: guus/tomb to put item on f2f agenda to make publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09]
16:33:24 <dlrubin> [CONTINUE] ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
16:33:40 <guus> pointers in Ben's message
16:34:02 <dlrubin> dlrubin: I need to get urls to the 2 documents to be reviewed
16:34:24 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070109/
16:34:24 <guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0015.html
16:34:33 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/20070104/Overview.html
16:34:43 <dlrubin> Topic: Deliverable 2: Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies
16:35:03 <dlrubin> Issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 (Diego):
16:35:03 <dlrubin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0005.html
16:35:44 <dlrubin> Diego: I suggest to remove the to-do from the document
16:36:23 <aliman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0033.html proposed resolution
16:36:27 <dlrubin> Alister: Diego proposed a resolution, simply to remove the to-do text since he has verified what has been said in the doc is correct
16:36:36 <dlrubin> Issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 (Diego):
16:36:36 <dlrubin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0005.html
16:36:46 <dlrubin> Issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 (Diego):
16:36:46 <dlrubin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0005.html
16:37:05 <guus> put decision on ftf agenda
16:37:13 <dlrubin> [DONE] ACTION: Diego progress issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:37:20 <guus> status is OPEN
16:38:38 <dlrubin> Tom: For RDFa and publishing RDF vocabularies, would be helpful if we could have a posting to the list explaining how members should prepare for the discussion
16:38:51 <dlrubin> ...a reminder that the texts are linked to the agenda
16:39:06 <dlrubin> ...would help if we have for each agenda item a short guide to preparing for the meeting
16:39:18 <dlrubin> ...can someone volunteer to do this for RDAa?
16:39:37 <dlrubin> ...can someone volunteer for the recipies?
16:39:42 <dlrubin> John: I can do that
16:39:56 <dlrubin> Tom: we are at end of agenda
16:40:09 <dlrubin> ...we need guidance on preparing for RDFa discussion
16:40:21 <guus> minimum: read two docs
16:40:50 <guus> link is in channel
16:40:51 <dlrubin> Tom: was link to Ben's posting entered earlier?
16:41:16 <TomB> Tom: At a minimum, everyone should read http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0015.html for RDFa discussion
16:41:29 <guus> for recipes: read current WD
16:41:34 <dlrubin> Tom: any other items of business?
16:41:48 <guus> [sorry, Jon]
16:41:53 <dlrubin> ...Jon will post a suggestions of what to pay attention to in this doc
16:42:03 <dlrubin> Tom: I move that we close the meeting
16:42:11 <guus> ok to adjourn
16:42:19 <guus> [sorry for my sound quality]
16:42:23 <dlrubin> Tom: thanks everyone. See you in boston
16:42:24 <guus> bye
16:42:33 <dlrubin> zakim, meeting adjourned
16:42:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'meeting adjourned', dlrubin
16:42:34 <guus> see you in Boston
16:42:36 <Zakim> -Jon_Phipps
16:42:38 <Zakim> -Sean
16:42:42 <dlrubin> zakim, list attendees
16:42:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daniel, berrueta, Sean, Antoine, Jon_Phipps, aliman, guus
16:42:44 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:42:53 <dlrubin> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:42:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-minutes.html dlrubin
16:42:54 <Zakim> -guus
16:43:05 <TomB> zakim, list attendees
16:43:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Daniel, berrueta, Sean, Antoine, Jon_Phipps, aliman, guus
16:43:09 <Zakim> -Antoine
16:43:25 <TomB> zakim, bye
16:43:25 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Daniel, berrueta, Sean, Antoine, Jon_Phipps, aliman, guus
16:43:25 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swd
16:43:31 <TomB> rrsagent, bye
16:43:31 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-actions.rdf :
16:43:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to post note to list describing how members of WG should prepare for the F2F [1]
16:43:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-irc#T16-20-30
16:43:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Daniel to state problem with suggestion of where to look in preparing for this discussion of collecting metadata requriements. [2]
16:43:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/16-swd-irc#T16-21-09