IRC log of ua on 2007-01-11

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19:01:31 [RRSAgent]
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19:01:40 [JR]
Zakim, this will be UAWG
19:01:40 [Zakim]
ok, JR, I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM already started
19:01:52 [JR]
Meeting: WAI UA
19:02:01 [JR]
Scribe: JR
19:04:05 [JR]
JA is chairing - but is having IRC connection problems.
19:04:47 [Zakim]
+[IBM.a]
19:05:06 [cklaws]
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19:05:43 [JR]
Zakim, IBM.a is really cklaws
19:05:43 [Zakim]
+cklaws; got it
19:06:01 [JR]
Zakim, IBM is really parente
19:06:01 [Zakim]
+parente; got it
19:06:50 [JR]
CL: BG is only coming Monday
19:07:04 [JR]
CL: AL at our group when we need him.
19:09:17 [JR]
Topic: 1. Setting agenda for face to face meeting (Boston, Jan. 22 & 23)
19:09:26 [JR]
JA: We need to renew charter
19:09:47 [JR]
JA: Judy thinks we should be looking at doing a 2.0
19:10:04 [JR]
CL: Will we be changing checkpoints?
19:10:13 [JR]
JA: Some issues are pretty big
19:10:38 [JR]
JA: Checkpoints not normative, it's the provisions: 1's and 2's under
19:11:26 [JR]
CL: Restructuring hard with so few people.
19:12:02 [JR]
JA: According to W3C policy it's like starting over...new call for participation...new requirements document
19:12:28 [JR]
JA: Could also call for review of the existing document
19:14:38 [JR]
JA: Hope that call for participation will get us more people.
19:15:16 [JR]
CL: Need to visit companies, orgs with vested interest.
19:16:23 [JR]
JR: Makes sense for WAI to have guidelines evolving.
19:16:58 [JR]
JA: Maybe could avoid somethings that WCAG group had a problem with.
19:17:50 [JR]
CL: Makes sense to come up with list of people to personally invite
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CL: Want to go through all the AJAX stuff with AL and BG - need this to be a separate list
19:20:06 [JR]
JR, JA: Good idea
19:20:36 [JR]
action JR: Make a WCAG 2.0 list of UAAG issues.
19:20:57 [JR]
action JA: Send JR the doc JA has been working on.
19:21:48 [JR]
PP: Very interested in the restructuring
19:22:04 [JR]
CL: eg is screen reader user agent or something different
19:22:33 [JR]
JA: Righ was thinking of trying to make this thing more modular
19:23:33 [JR]
CL: Wrote HCI paper on this - confusing to decide which info should be provided in browser vs scr. reader
19:24:14 [JR]
CL: eg. Javascript providing keystrokes
19:25:20 [JR]
JA: Lots of things being dumped on AT's - but what about people without the money etc
19:25:47 [JR]
JA: OK so we need to address browser vs AT's
19:30:23 [JR]
JA: Newest ATAG 2.0 - http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-ATAG20-20061207/
19:30:59 [JR]
JA: Remember WCAG review...dividing line between browser and content...
19:34:04 [JR]
JR: Right - ATAG wants to use UAAG for some things
19:35:56 [JR]
All: Discussion of Team roles in WAI...
19:36:10 [JR]
J: THis is a situation across all of W3C
19:36:47 [JR]
JA: PF plays a role too - looking at accessibility of W3 docs
19:39:55 [JR]
All: Discussion of how 3 GL docs are same vs different
19:40:52 [JR]
JA: What about a role discussion?
19:42:28 [JR]
JR: ATAG has same problems.
19:48:49 [JR]
All: More discussion about ATAG structure
19:48:59 [JR]
Mon_AM_1: AJAX issues
19:52:26 [JR]
CL: Last time the timelines were unrealistic
19:53:28 [JR]
CL: Had people come and go trying to write test suites.
19:53:55 [JR]
JA: WCAG/UAAG can use almost identical test
19:54:20 [JR]
CL: Though tests are somewhat diff in some cases
19:55:07 [JR]
Action JA: Find WCAG-review comments.
19:55:58 [JR]
Mon_AM_1- AJAX issues
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Mon_AM_2-
19:55:58 [JR]
Mon_PM_1- Look at ATAG 2.0
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Mon_PM_2-
19:55:58 [JR]
Tues_AM_1- Starting a requirements doc
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Tues_AM_2- Charter review
19:56:01 [JR]
Tues_PM_1-
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Tues_PM_2-
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NEW
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Mon_AM_1- AJAX issues
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Mon_AM_2- AJAX issues
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Mon_PM_1- Look at ATAG 2.0
19:57:49 [JR]
Mon_PM_2- Structure/Role discussion
19:57:49 [JR]
Tues_AM_1- Starting a requirements doc
19:57:51 [JR]
Tues_AM_2- Charter review
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Tues_PM_1- Requirements doc
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Tues_PM_2- Who to invite, next steps, wrapup
19:59:08 [JR]
NEW
19:59:08 [JR]
Mon_AM_1- Web2.0 issues
19:59:08 [JR]
Mon_AM_2- Web2.0 issues
19:59:08 [JR]
Mon_PM_1- Look at ATAG 2.0
19:59:08 [JR]
Mon_PM_2- Structure/Role discussion
19:59:09 [JR]
Tues_AM_1- Starting a requirements doc
19:59:11 [JR]
Tues_AM_2- Charter review
19:59:13 [JR]
Tues_PM_1- Requirements doc
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Tues_PM_2- Who to invite, next steps, wrapup
20:00:08 [Zakim]
-cklaws
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-parente
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-Jan_Richards
20:01:03 [Zakim]
-Jim_Allan
20:01:06 [Zakim]
WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
20:01:07 [Zakim]
Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, cklaws, parente
20:01:29 [JR]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ua-minutes.html JR
20:01:47 [JR]
RRSAgent, set logs public
20:01:54 [JR]
Zakim, bye
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20:03:09 [JR]
RRSAgent, bye
20:03:09 [RRSAgent]
I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ua-actions.rdf :
20:03:09 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: JR to Make a WCAG 2.0 list of UAAG issues. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ua-irc#T19-20-36
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ACTION: JA to Send JR the doc JA has been working on. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ua-irc#T19-20-57
20:03:09 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: JA to Find WCAG-review comments. [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ua-irc#T19-55-07