IRC log of ws-policy-eds on 2007-01-10

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18:51:58 [fsasaki]
meeting: WS Policy (editor's)
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0045.html
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chair: Maryann
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WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has now started
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+Prasad_Yendluri
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+Toufic_Boubez
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+[IBMCambridge]
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+Felix
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+DOrchard
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+asir
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+Frederick_Hirsch
19:07:24 [prasad]
Chairs In Rotation: Asir, Dave, Prasad, Toufic, Umit, Frederick, Maryann
19:08:21 [FrederickHirsch]
ScribeNick: Frederick
19:08:30 [FrederickHirsch]
scribe: Frederick
19:09:11 [maryann]
present: frederick, prasad, toufic, asir,dave, felix
19:10:37 [FrederickHirsch]
Maryann to report to working group at F2F
19:11:06 [maryann]
chairs rotation: asir (F2F), prasad, toufic, dave, umit, frederick, maryann
19:11:16 [FrederickHirsch]
scribe: FrederickHirsch
19:11:29 [FrederickHirsch]
Maryann scribe next week at F2F
19:12:05 [prasad]
Last Editors call Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html
19:12:09 [FrederickHirsch]
Minutes accepted
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Topic: Proposal re 4041
19:12:42 [asir]
q+
19:13:00 [maryann]
sent a revised version to the editor list incorporating comments from prasad and maryann
19:13:08 [toufic]
this is for 4041?
19:13:09 [Zakim]
+??P6
19:13:16 [maryann]
fred: propose that we send that to the working group
19:13:18 [umit2]
zakim, ??P6 is umit
19:13:18 [Zakim]
+umit; got it
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19:14:14 [umit2]
asir: For 4041, we did not establish a timeline.
19:14:14 [maryann]
asir is concerned about the timeline
19:14:54 [FrederickHirsch]
q+
19:15:02 [umit2]
... it would help me internally
19:15:16 [umit2]
Maryann: Frederick, is it ok to wait for Asir?
19:15:27 [FrederickHirsch]
updated proposal is already out
19:15:37 [umit2]
Asir: Frederick if you can send the edits today, I can turn it around on Friday
19:15:55 [umit2]
Frederick: It is too late, I sent a revised one today
19:16:17 [umit2]
... if we wait until Monday, people will not have enough to read it
19:16:29 [fsasaki]
q+
19:16:35 [umit2]
s/enough/enough time/
19:16:55 [umit2]
Maryann: Could you start reading it now? It is not very long
19:17:15 [toufic]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/
19:17:19 [umit2]
Frederick: It is just two pages
19:17:27 [toufic]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0043.html
19:17:42 [fsasaki]
q?
19:17:49 [maryann]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0043.html
19:18:08 [prasad]
The above does not have an attachment it seems
19:18:12 [maryann]
ack asir
19:18:21 [toufic]
is this the one?: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Jan/0040.html
19:18:22 [maryann]
ack frederick
19:18:57 [maryann]
ack fsasaki
19:19:23 [umit2]
Felix: The idea is to give the wg more time to look and comment on it.
19:19:27 [maryann]
felix: we can send a proposal to the working group and indicate that its a work in progress
19:19:38 [umit2]
Frederick: If there are some issues they can be addressed later.
19:19:44 [umit2]
q+
19:20:50 [umit2]
Asir: Are others ok for this go out?
19:20:58 [umit2]
Dave, Toufik: yes.
19:21:21 [umit2]
Maryann: You have an opportunity to comment on it.
19:21:36 [toufic]
+1
19:21:39 [umit2]
Asir: I have no issue to send my comments to the wg.
19:22:25 [umit2]
Maryann: Can you send it to the wg with a note that it is a draft and there may be more comments coming.
19:22:26 [FrederickHirsch]
Frederick to indicate 1st draft of proposal being
19:22:28 [maryann]
asir : next time we do this kind of proposal ( as opposed to an action) we need to be more vigilant
19:22:32 [umit2]
s/you/Frederick/
19:22:56 [FrederickHirsch]
need to clarify that proposals by editors will require more time
19:23:11 [umit2]
Asir: We need a more precise timeline/process
19:23:40 [umit2]
Frederick: We need to tell the wg that proposals like this we need consensus. We need to tell them we need more time for such proposals.
19:25:03 [FrederickHirsch]
editors may reject action items for producing ill-defined proposals
19:25:13 [FrederickHirsch]
q+
19:25:30 [umit2]
Maryann: We need to review the action items and be more diligent about the material in the proposal.
19:25:43 [umit2]
Umit: If the action item is not acceptable, we should reject it.
19:27:05 [FrederickHirsch]
Editors have to manage timeline.
19:28:23 [maryann]
ack umit
19:28:41 [maryann]
ack frederick
19:28:55 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC: Open Action Items
19:29:03 [umit2]
ACTION: Frederick to send the revised 4041 proposals with a note to the wg indicating this does not have full consensus, more comments may be sent about the proposal
19:29:03 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-114 - Send the revised 4041 proposals with a note to the wg indicating this does not have full consensus, more comments may be sent about the proposal [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2007-01-17].
19:29:05 [FrederickHirsch]
Topic; Action 87, cookbook
19:29:16 [umit2]
TOPIC: Action 87
19:29:21 [FrederickHirsch]
Last week discussed doing this at F2F during session as demo
19:29:24 [FrederickHirsch]
stays open
19:29:29 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC; Action 100
19:29:39 [FrederickHirsch]
XML base reference tickler, keep open
19:29:44 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC: Action 101
19:29:53 [FrederickHirsch]
Prepare proposal, close.
19:30:01 [FrederickHirsch]
Frederick is scribing
19:30:18 [FrederickHirsch]
we decide that at the beginning to go into rotation. is taht ok?
19:30:50 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC: Action 111
19:31:13 [FrederickHirsch]
Related issues, give to Dave 0 along with 112
19:31:23 [FrederickHirsch]
DaveO needs clarity on task
19:32:00 [FrederickHirsch]
Asir explains action. Attachment document 3.4.1 paragraph below describes URIs
19:32:49 [FrederickHirsch]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#uri-domain-expression
19:33:04 [FrederickHirsch]
Look at "URI domain expressions are used to identify resources that are identified..."
19:34:13 [FrederickHirsch]
An IRI reference to WSDL 1.1 component is defined in [TBD]
19:34:28 [FrederickHirsch]
add non-normative reference to David's Note, referenced by TBD
19:34:43 [FrederickHirsch]
discussion of whether normative or non-normative reference
19:34:58 [FrederickHirsch]
Add sentence, add BIBL entry, need stable URI
19:35:15 [asir]
it is a non-normatived ref
19:35:24 [FrederickHirsch]
Due date for 112 is 1/20.
19:35:43 [FrederickHirsch]
David suggests later due date for 111, due to need to determine URI
19:35:55 [FrederickHirsch]
Since not published, don't have document in TR area.
19:36:05 [maryann]
q?
19:36:39 [FrederickHirsch]
Asir - Suggest add sentence, create reference but leave URI as TBD. Then can implement 112 and put in the URIs
19:37:02 [FrederickHirsch]
Decision - leave 112 as reminder to update stable URI, complete 111 before
19:37:15 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC: actiion 113
19:37:20 [FrederickHirsch]
New item, duplicate of 111
19:37:30 [FrederickHirsch]
Close
19:37:45 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC: New Action Items assigned to editors
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none noted
19:38:07 [FrederickHirsch]
TOPIC: F2F Agenda
19:38:24 [FrederickHirsch]
David cannot attend editor session after 3pm
19:38:26 [FrederickHirsch]
q+
19:38:46 [FrederickHirsch]
Proposal to meet at lunch time.
19:39:14 [FrederickHirsch]
Thursday may not be good for Toufic
19:39:34 [FrederickHirsch]
Keep at 3-5 as originally scheduled, same room as provided.
19:39:59 [prasad]
q+
19:40:40 [maryann]
we need to use the q
19:40:47 [FrederickHirsch]
q+
19:41:28 [FrederickHirsch]
Open editorial action items during the meeting, as it happens
19:41:36 [FrederickHirsch]
Take action items during meeting.
19:41:45 [FrederickHirsch]
End of day meeting to wrap up.
19:41:58 [maryann]
ack frederick
19:42:05 [asir]
q+
19:42:09 [umit2]
q+
19:42:18 [maryann]
ack prasad
19:42:23 [maryann]
ack asir
19:42:35 [maryann]
ack umit
19:42:40 [FrederickHirsch]
General support for editing on fly, will help
19:42:52 [FrederickHirsch]
Umit suggests new topic.
19:42:56 [prasad]
People not going to be at the editors meeting should take ownership of open issues and let the editors know (send a note to the list)
19:43:47 [prasad]
So far, only Dave cannot make and Toufic doubtful
19:44:36 [Zakim]
-DOrchard
19:44:39 [Zakim]
-Prasad_Yendluri
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-umit
19:44:41 [Zakim]
-Toufic_Boubez
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-Felix
19:45:07 [asir]
RRSAgent, please make logs public
19:45:16 [asir]
RRSAgend, please draft minutes
19:45:20 [FrederickHirsch]
rrsagent, who is here?
19:45:20 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
19:45:20 [FrederickHirsch]
rrsagent, who is here?
19:45:20 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
19:45:33 [asir]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:45:33 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html asir
19:46:44 [asir]
Present+ Umit
19:46:47 [asir]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:46:47 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html asir
19:47:18 [asir]
zakim, asir holds umit
19:47:18 [Zakim]
+umit; got it
19:47:22 [asir]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html asir
19:47:36 [fsasaki]
zakim, bye
19:47:36 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Prasad_Yendluri, Toufic_Boubez, [IBMCambridge], Felix, DOrchard, Frederick_Hirsch, umit
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