IRC log of sweo on 2007-01-10

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15:58:13 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #sweo
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15:58:22 [ivan]: rrsagent, set log public
15:58:36 [ivan]: zakim, dial ivan-home
15:58:36 [Zakim]: ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:58:38 [Zakim]: +Ivan
15:58:57 [Zakim]: +[IBMCambridge]
15:59:15 [Zakim]: + +1.781.273.aaaa
15:59:21 [ivan]: zakim, IBMCambridge is Wing
15:59:21 [Zakim]: +Wing; got it
15:59:38 [ivan]: zakim, aaaa is Kingsley
15:59:38 [Zakim]: +Kingsley; got it
15:59:50 [kjetilk]: Zakim, code
15:59:50 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'code', kjetilk
15:59:57 [ivan]: zakim, code?
15:59:57 [Zakim]: the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan
16:00:18 [ivan]: Chair: Susie
16:00:20 [Zakim]: -Kingsley
16:00:33 [ivan]: Meeting: SWEO weekly Telco
16:00:44 [Zakim]: +Kingsley_Idehen
16:01:04 [ivan]: zakim, mute me
16:01:04 [Zakim]: Ivan should now be muted
16:01:07 [Zakim]: +LeeF
16:01:18 [ivan]: I will stay muted...:-(
16:01:22 [wing]: sorry ivan
16:01:39 [ivan]: ????
16:01:41 [Zakim]: + +44.190.827.aabb
16:01:54 [ivan]: zakim, aabb is martin
16:01:55 [Zakim]: +martin; got it
16:02:05 [Zakim]: +Orri_Erling
16:02:22 [LeeF]: zakim, mute me pleasde
16:02:22 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'mute me pleasde', LeeF
16:02:28 [LeeF]: zakim, mute me
16:02:28 [Zakim]: LeeF should now be muted
16:03:03 [Zakim]: +??P14
16:03:04 [ivan]: kjetilk, do you still have problems?
16:03:17 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
16:03:17 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P1, Ivan (muted), Wing, Kingsley_Idehen, LeeF (muted), martin, Orri_Erling, ??P14
16:03:19 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wing, pasquale, Susie, kidehen, LeeF, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
16:03:26 [kjetilk]: Zakim, ??P14 is me
16:03:30 [Zakim]: +kjetilk; got it
16:03:37 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
16:03:46 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P1, Ivan (muted), Wing, Kingsley_Idehen, LeeF (muted), martin, Orri_Erling, kjetilk
16:03:58 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wing, pasquale, Susie, kidehen, LeeF, bengee, ivan, kjetilk
16:04:43 [leobard]: leobard has joined #sweo
16:04:45 [leobard]: hi
16:04:48 [Zakim]: +Jeff_Schiffel
16:05:55 [Zakim]: +??P25
16:06:30 [Zakim]: +??P33
16:06:34 [LeeF]: Susie: BT has volunteered to write a use case around SW usage in telecom (Alister Duke)
16:06:42 [LeeF]: Susie: questionnaire is open and being filled in
16:07:27 [LeeF]: ... Leo has taken charge of InfoGathering task
16:07:44 [LeeF]: leobard: May 1 deadline is in order to encourage us to focus on the core of the task
16:07:50 [bengee]: how fast is zakim? p25 appeared 2 secs after I joined
16:07:54 [LeeF]: ... goals are to gather information the right way (rather than as much as possible)
16:08:13 [ivan]: zakim, ??P25 is Bengee
16:08:26 [Zakim]: +Bengee; got it
16:08:32 [bengee]: thx, ivan
16:09:18 [ivan]: ScribeNick: kidehen
16:09:53 [kidehen]: leobard: Please dump your last comments for the record
16:10:17 [martind]: martind has joined #SWEO
16:10:31 [kidehen]: LeeF: great :-)
16:10:44 [ivan]: URI for the questionnaire results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39572/sweo_questionnaire/results
16:10:46 [martind]: I'm online, I can take over the scribing now...
16:10:54 [martind]: sorry for the chaos
16:11:05 [LeeF]: np. we thrive on chaos :-)
16:11:07 [kidehen]: Susie: Questionnaire response appears to be high
16:11:32 [kidehen]: speaker name?
16:11:39 [LeeF]: kjetilk
16:12:39 [leobard]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences#
16:12:56 [kidehen]: Leo: Provides an overview of conferences of potential interest
16:13:44 [ivan]: no
16:13:49 [ivan]: q+
16:14:06 [kidehen]: Leo: highlights lack of XTech attendance indication from SWEO
16:14:21 [kjetilk]: XTech is very well recognized here
16:14:41 [kidehen]: Susie: I will look into potential attendees from Oracle.
16:15:00 [kidehen]: Susie: I submitted a Tutorial re. Real World Applications of the Semantic Web
16:15:07 [kidehen]: Susie: URL please
16:15:16 [LeeF]: +1 o Susie
16:15:41 [LeeF]: +1 to beer
16:15:50 [kidehen]: Leo & Susie: Suggest SemWeb mixers
16:16:29 [kidehen]: Susie: TimBL wants to improve collaboration and personal networking of MA based SemWeb players.
16:16:47 [kjetilk]: would be fun to have an event during the MGM week
16:16:54 [kidehen]: Susie: Current plan is for January, but TimBL needs to confirm
16:19:15 [kidehen]: Susie: suggests that initial mixer is SWEO member only, while subsequent meetings would be on an invitation basis (where invites are issued by SWEO members a 'la Google Mail invites)
16:19:47 [LeeF]: I don't think the suggestion was *SWEO member * only as much as "by invitation" only
16:19:59 [kidehen]: Susie: Encourages others to organize networking events so that networking spreads geographically
16:19:59 [leobard]: link: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences
16:20:23 [kidehen]: Susie: Indicate needs for lead time cognizance.
16:20:24 [ivan]: zakim, unmute me
16:20:24 [Zakim]: Ivan should no longer be muted
16:20:42 [Susie]: q?
16:20:46 [kidehen]: kidehen: Maybe we should add lead time data re. submissions to Wiki page
16:21:58 [kidehen]: Ivan: Indicates XTech characterization is inaccurate. He indicates (from attendance observation) that this is the European equivalent of the Web 2.0 conferences in the U.S.
16:22:01 [kjetilk]: q+ to say that Edd Dumbill is chair
16:22:13 [kidehen]: Ivan: Indicates SWEO presence is important
16:22:18 [kidehen]: kidehen: Concurs
16:22:45 [kidehen]: Ivan: Talks about existence of GRDDL Tutorials as relevant SWEO collateral
16:23:33 [kidehen]: Ivan: Notes that most of these events have W3C tracks.
16:24:04 [kidehen]: kidehen: didn't get it either
16:24:17 [ivan]: leo, kidehen: WWW2007
16:24:21 [kidehen]: ah1
16:24:25 [ivan]: sorry
16:24:30 [ivan]: zakim, mute me
16:24:30 [Zakim]: Ivan should now be muted
16:24:31 [leobard]: no, the third was not www, or?
16:24:45 [kidehen]: who was speaking before Susie
16:24:50 [LeeF]: Jeff
16:24:53 [ivan]: the last is the one referred to as 'susie event' or 'boston event'
16:24:59 [leobard]: hey, how about if you just edit the wiki page?
16:25:02 [leobard]: q+
16:25:06 [ivan]: ack ivan
16:25:08 [kidehen]: Jeff: unveils two conferences of relevance
16:25:10 [leobard]: q-
16:25:11 [ivan]: zakim mute me
16:25:33 [ivan]: q?
16:25:34 [Susie]: q?
16:25:38 [LeeF]: zakim, mute ivan
16:25:38 [Zakim]: Ivan should now be muted
16:25:42 [ivan]: azk kjetillk
16:25:47 [ivan]: ack kjetilk
16:25:49 [Zakim]: kjetilk, you wanted to say that Edd Dumbill is chair
16:26:17 [kidehen]: Kejit: Makes point about chairman of an event and RDF mailing list
16:26:22 [kidehen]: didn't get all of it
16:26:59 [kidehen]: Kejit: Talks about Semantic Web competition as enticer for developers etc..
16:27:37 [kidehen]: Kejit:
16:29:00 [LeeF]: s/Kejit/kjetilk
16:29:10 [kjetilk]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2006Dec/0169.html
16:29:32 [Zakim]: +Karen
16:29:56 [kidehen]: :-)
16:30:13 [Karen]: Karen has joined #sweo
16:30:32 [kidehen]: kjetilk: Emphasizes importance of communicating magnitude and impact of SemWeb
16:30:56 [kidehen]: kjetilk: Suggest no wheel reinvention :-)
16:31:15 [kidehen]: kjetilk: suggest continuation and enhancement of things that exist
16:32:08 [kidehen]: kidehen: I would like to suggest we produce SemWeb Mashups (aka Meshups) for instance
16:32:51 [ivan]: +1 kjetilk
16:32:55 [kjetilk]: thanks :-)
16:33:42 [kidehen]: kjetilk and Susie: Emphasize cohesiveness of demos
16:33:59 [kidehen]: Susie: Suggest use of demos to convince Microformats community for instance
16:34:25 [LeeF]: There's no convincing the uf community.
16:35:32 [kidehen]: kidehen: Should we not treat the demos as resources (part of Resource Gathering collective in Wiki)?
16:36:07 [kidehen]: kidehen: Everyone should simply dump their demos links into the Wiki
16:36:24 [ivan]: q+
16:37:12 [kidehen]: Susie: Asks if questionnaires would work for Web Dev. community?
16:38:16 [kidehen]: kjetilk: Emphasizes this group is already SemWeb curious if not totally interested
16:38:47 [kidehen]: kjetilk: Emphasizes we need to do more "Showing" and less "Telling"
16:38:53 [ivan]: ack ivan
16:39:36 [kidehen]: Ivan: Acknowledges and agrees with kjetilk re. use of electronic channels
16:39:53 [kidehen]: Ivan: Where these channels are inherently informal
16:40:19 [kidehen]: Ivan: Ask kjetilk to re-send his mail
16:40:29 [ivan]: zakim, mute me
16:40:29 [Zakim]: Ivan should now be muted
16:40:32 [kidehen]: kidehen: Assuming this isn't already in the Mailing List archives
16:40:35 [kidehen]: kjetilk:
16:40:37 [kidehen]: URL
16:40:43 [kidehen]: kjetilk: URL
16:41:32 [kjetilk]: kidehen: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2006Dec/0169.html
16:43:18 [kidehen]: Karen: Talks about MIT hack-a-thon by Media Labs. She will get info re. organization of this event. Also talked about "Mobile Web" events centered around MIT etc..
16:43:58 [kidehen]: Susie: Talks about Leo's suggestions re. organizing SemWeb networking events.
16:43:58 [Susie]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Conferences/Meeting_Framework
16:45:22 [ivan]: the conference dates are 23-25 April, Norway
16:45:24 [Karen]: q+
16:45:34 [kidehen]: Susie: Location and Data of next F2F in Europe. Timeframe will be close to W3C event in Europe. Emphasizes geographical re. F2F
16:45:43 [kjetilk]: +1 for a meeting in Norway
16:46:08 [kidehen]: Geographical rotation re. F2F
16:46:11 [leobard]: ESWC 2007
16:46:12 [ivan]: june is the ESW conference in Innsbruck
16:46:28 [leobard]: 3-7th, June 2007
16:46:43 [leobard]: what was the other?
16:46:58 [leobard]: meeting of Oil Companies in May in Norway
16:47:14 [ivan]: Leo: it is a semantic web days in Norway, but the web site is not yet up
16:47:30 [ivan]: with a strong connection to oil and energy companies
16:47:31 [leobard]: btw: I-Semantic in Graz... that misses
16:48:03 [leobard]: I-Semantics: 5-7 September 2007, Graz, Austria
16:48:10 [bengee]: semtech is may 20-24
16:48:13 [leobard]: cfp: http://www.aposdle.tugraz.at/content/download/328/1657/file/I-KNOW%2007_CallForPapers.pdf
16:48:15 [ivan]: www2007 is early May (7-12)
16:48:48 [ivan]: the meeting in April could be 20-21 or 19-20
16:48:56 [leobard]: q+
16:49:02 [ivan]: ack Karen
16:49:18 [ivan]: ack leobard
16:49:40 [ivan]: yes
16:49:46 [ivan]: I will look
16:49:48 [leobard]: thx!!
16:50:00 [leobard]: even better doing them :-)
16:50:05 [ivan]: :-)
16:50:33 [ivan]: I will do it, Kingsley
16:50:37 [ivan]: do not worry about it
16:50:47 [ivan]: happy new year everybody!
16:50:47 [kidehen]: ivan: So I don't need to do anything else?
16:50:50 [Zakim]: -??P1
16:50:52 [Zakim]: -Orri_Erling
16:50:53 [Zakim]: -Karen
16:50:53 [ivan]: no, you are all set
16:50:54 [Zakim]: -Bengee
16:50:55 [Zakim]: -Jeff_Schiffel
16:50:57 [Zakim]: -kjetilk
16:50:58 [Zakim]: -martin
16:50:59 [kidehen]: great
16:51:00 [Zakim]: -Kingsley_Idehen
16:51:01 [Zakim]: -??P33
16:51:02 [Zakim]: -Wing
16:51:03 [Zakim]: -Ivan
16:51:14 [kidehen]: Happy New Year!!
16:51:36 [LeeF]: thanks everyone
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17:00:41 [leobard]: exit
17:04:16 [pasquale]: by ivan, by all
17:05:02 [Zakim]: disconnecting the lone participant, LeeF, in SW_SWEO()11:00AM
17:05:08 [Zakim]: SW_SWEO()11:00AM has ended
17:05:10 [Zakim]: Attendees were Ivan, +1.781.273.aaaa, Wing, Kingsley, Kingsley_Idehen, LeeF, +44.190.827.aabb, martin, Orri_Erling, kjetilk, Jeff_Schiffel, Bengee, Karen
17:06:16 [ivan]: rrsagent, draft minutes
17:06:16 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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