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15:54:08 <RalphS> zakim, this will be swd
15:54:08 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:15 <RalphS> Meeting: SemWeb Deployment WG
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15:57:02 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
15:57:09 <Zakim> +??P1
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15:57:24 <TomB> zakim, ??P1 is TomB
15:57:24 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
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15:58:16 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:58:20 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
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15:58:54 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
15:58:57 <Zakim> +??P31
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15:59:33 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
15:59:41 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
15:59:59 <Guus> zakim, [VrijeUni] is Guus
15:59:59 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
16:00:03 <RalphS> zakim, ??p31 is Daniel
16:00:03 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it
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16:00:27 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
16:00:32 <Zakim> +CarlosI
16:00:44 <berrueta> Zakim, CarlosI is me
16:00:44 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
16:00:50 <Zakim> +??P40
16:01:00 <JonP> zakim, JonP is Jon_Phipps
16:01:01 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps; got it
16:01:01 <Bern> Bern has joined #swd
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16:01:06 <Guus> zakim, ??p40 is aliman
16:01:07 <Zakim> +aliman; got it
16:01:10 <Zakim> +Bernnard_Horan
16:01:45 <RalphS> zakim, Bernnard_Horan is really Bernard_Horan
16:01:48 <Zakim> +Bernard_Horan; got it
16:01:58 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
16:02:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Ralph, Elisa_Kendall, Daniel, Guus, Jon_Phipps.a, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, aliman, Bernard_Horan
16:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see seanb, Bern, aliman, Antoine, dlrubin, JonP, berrueta, Elisa, Guus, TomB, RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS
16:02:31 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0008.html
16:02:46 <RalphS> Previous: 2006-12-19 http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html
16:02:50 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:02:59 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Guus
16:03:02 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jon_Phipps.a
16:03:05 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TomB
16:03:07 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:09 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Antoine_Isaac
16:03:12 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Daniel
16:03:33 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:33 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Guus
16:03:34 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
16:03:37 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Bernard_Horan
16:03:56 <Zakim> +??P46
16:04:12 <Guus> zakim, ??p46 is Sean
16:04:17 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
16:04:19 <RalphS> Scribe: Ralph
16:04:29 <RalphS> Guus: best new year wishes to everyone
16:04:38 <RalphS> Chair: Guus
16:04:44 <dlrubin> dlrubin has left #swd
16:04:45 <RalphS> Topic: Admin
16:05:02 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
16:05:19 <dlrubin> dlrubin has joined #swd
16:05:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Ralph, Elisa_Kendall, Daniel, Guus, Jon_Phipps.a, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, aliman, Bernard_Horan, Sean
16:05:50 <RalphS> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html accepted as minutes of 2006-12-19 meeting
16:06:09 <RalphS> RESOLVED: next meeting 16 January, 1600 UTC
16:06:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlrubin, seanb, Bern, aliman, Antoine, JonP, berrueta, Elisa, Guus, TomB, RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS
16:07:00 <RalphS> ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:07:02 <RalphS> -- continues
16:07:17 <RalphS> next scribe: Daniel
16:07:48 <RalphS> Topic: Face-to-Face Organizational Issues
16:08:05 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/MGMoverview.html Multi-Group Meeting Logistics
16:08:18 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122 F2F Agenda
16:08:30 <RalphS> Guus: we have 8 WG participants registered as of today, with 4 observers
16:08:51 <TomB> scribenick: TomB
16:09:14 <TomB> RalphS: TBL wants to create Boston SW Users Group.  
16:09:35 <TomB> ...since we are convening on Jan 22-23, opportunity to have "pre-launch" event
16:09:55 <TomB> ...so has asked if we could participate on Mon or Tues evening in some event
16:10:06 <TomB> ...could mean short presentations
16:10:27 <TomB> ...or just share hors d'oeuvres
16:10:58 <TomB> Guus: no objections.
16:11:33 <TomB> Regrets: Ben
16:12:20 <TomB> Diego: not Tues evening
16:12:23 <TomB> Antoine: ok
16:12:27 <TomB> RalphS: ok
16:12:46 <TomB> Bernard: no 
16:12:49 <TomB> Alistair: ok
16:12:56 <TomB> Jon: ok both days
16:13:23 <TomB> RalphS: meet for hors d'oeuvres then shorter dinner.
16:14:04 <TomB> Guus: can present.
16:14:43 <TomB> RalphS: Will be Web access - will be in MIT office area.  Near WG meeting room.
16:14:55 <TomB> ACTION: RalphS inform group on evening event.
16:15:12 <RalphS> scribenick: RalphS
16:15:51 <RalphS> Topic: SKOS Requirements
16:16:05 <RalphS> [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Alistair to prepare issues list for January meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06]
16:16:17 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Alistair will send the outstanding issues to the list and Jon will paste into the formatted page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action05]
16:16:37 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Jon to create an issues page on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html#action07]
16:17:29 <RalphS> Guus: I plan to propose an issues-management process next meeting
16:18:11 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: sean to submit SKOS and rules issue using agreed issue format, directly into issues wiki page (waiting for Jon) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
16:18:20 <Guus> q?
16:18:50 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0000.html Cookbook Issues page [Jon]
16:18:55 <RalphS> Guus: accepted
16:19:38 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0001.html issues process ideas from Ralph
16:20:35 <TomB> q+ to ask where (in the wiki?) we will describe "issues process"
16:20:49 <RalphS> Ralph: there is another issue tracking tool that is available to the WG
16:20:59 <RalphS> ... I will send mail about it today or tomorrow
16:21:02 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask where (in the wiki?) we will describe "issues process"
16:21:10 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
16:21:33 <RalphS> Tom: do we want to capture the issues process in another wiki document?
16:22:11 <RalphS> Jon: I copied the issues process from RIF
16:23:01 <RalphS> Ralph: the records of whatever process refinement we agree to after Guus' proposal next week warrant their own Wiki page IMHO
16:23:41 <RalphS> Guus: the substance of my proposal is whether to add potential-issues to the wiki before discussion or discuss first then add to the list
16:24:29 <RalphS> Daniel: I have received input with feedback for one use case, partial input on a second and am awaiting 2 more
16:24:35 <RalphS> ... expect a total of four use cases from me
16:24:48 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RawUCs
16:25:03 <RalphS> Antoine: there is a wiki page that sums up the use case descriptions we've received
16:25:13 <RalphS> ... the edited use case that Daniel submitted is included there
16:25:20 <RalphS> ... with placeholders for others
16:25:45 <RalphS> ... I have also cited other use cases that have been mentioned on the WG list
16:26:09 <RalphS> ... the idea is to check the correctness of these descriptions w.r.t. the questionnaire then move them to another page
16:26:17 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
16:26:32 <RalphS> ... EditedUCs may be more usable for preparation of the document itself
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16:27:13 <RalphS> Daniel: also the BirnLex UC [ready for EditedUCs]
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16:27:52 <RalphS> Antoine: I wanted the editors to take responsibility for moving items from RawUCs to EditedUCs
16:28:19 <RalphS> Guus: we want to have documents for the f2f ready one week in advance
16:28:33 <RalphS> ... is it feasible to have a raw SKOS UC document in that time?
16:28:49 <RalphS> Antoine: I intend to work on this in the coming week
16:29:05 <RalphS> ... prior to that I want to talk about the length of the descriptions
16:29:25 <RalphS> ... the existing Use Case documents use shorter descriptions than the ones submitted to us
16:29:46 <RalphS> ... should we summarize in our SKOS UC document or would we prefer to keep the full data?
16:29:53 <RalphS> Guus: my preference is to keep the full data
16:30:10 <RalphS> ... might be nice to have in addition a short summary in terms of SKOS requirements
16:30:22 <RalphS> ... perhaps 2 paragraphs that summarize the key points
16:31:33 <RalphS> Antoine: I can contribute an icon class use case
16:32:23 <TomB> q+ to suggest including full data that is edited (e.g., questions removed) to improve readability
16:32:36 <RalphS> Daniel: what are the tasks for the editors for this week?
16:33:10 <RalphS> Guus: I would like the UCR editors to create a document that includes all the submitted use cases
16:34:36 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
16:34:59 <RalphS> Ralph: I am quite happy leaving it to the UCR editors' discretion whether or how much to summarize a use case description
16:35:21 <RalphS> Daniel: is there a document started already?
16:35:25 <RalphS> Antoine: no, just wiki data
16:36:14 <RalphS> Guus: just a compilation of responses is fine for now
16:36:16 <Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest including full data that is edited (e.g., questions removed) to improve readability
16:36:33 <RalphS> Tom: there are some things in the raw data that could be omitted just for readability
16:36:50 <RalphS> ... e.g. repeating the questions verbatim
16:36:52 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RucAims
16:37:29 <RalphS> Tom: editors can use discretion in dropping repetitive information
16:37:50 <RalphS> Daniel: I was thinking of an executive summary that captures what is important for SKOS
16:37:58 <RalphS> Guus: sounds good
16:38:19 <RalphS> Topic: SKOS branding
16:38:32 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Dec/0085.html [SKOS] branding [Alistair]
16:38:44 <RalphS> Alistair: the issue is presenting SKOS in a way that is easier to understand
16:39:03 <RalphS> ... previously we'd divided SKOS into 3 pieces and the old Web site reflects that division
16:39:27 <RalphS> ... I think it makes more sense now to present all of SKOS as one thing, not divide into Core, Vocabulary
16:39:29 <aliman> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/webstage/
16:39:45 <RalphS> Alistair: so I'm halfway through refactoring the SKOS website
16:40:01 <RalphS> ... to make a single introduction to the area
16:40:30 <RalphS> ... any objections to my continuing with this or suggestions?
16:41:48 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/Help/whereami which W3C mirror are you getting?
16:42:47 <RalphS> Ralph: the wereami page may help in diagnosing access problems to the W3C servers
16:43:16 <RalphS> RESOLVED: Alistair's refactoring of SKOS pages can proceed
16:43:33 <RalphS> Topic: Other Deliverables
16:43:40 <RalphS> Topic: RDFa
16:44:14 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0015.html [RDFa] Documents ready for review  [Ben]
16:44:24 <RalphS> Guus: I volunteered to review these documents
16:44:35 <RalphS> ACTION: guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08]
16:44:37 <RalphS> -- continues
16:47:41 <TomB> scribenick: TomB
16:47:52 <TomB> RalphS: In BPD, had two reviewers.
16:48:08 <TomB> Guus: Same process here - two reviewers not involved, then group decides.
16:48:37 <TomB> RalphS: Guus is one reviewer.  So essentially Ben is asking for a second reviewer.
16:49:24 <TomB> Guus: For publishing first working draft, need to assess - "is it suitable for discussion with public?" - only
16:50:15 <TomB> RalphS: No minimal definitions.  Only real requirement: pass publication rules.  Is it reasonable for publication?
16:51:20 <TomB> Guus: At some point, editors say "we think it is ready". Two others send comments. There is a short discussion. Then chairs propose a decision for WG as a whole and WG decides.
16:52:05 <TomB> ...Diff from Recommendation.  For WG, only "sufficient info for which we want feedback from public". Don't have to agree on everything.  Must be of interest to public.
16:52:23 <TomB> ...Would expect new primer version, and Use Case document, to be good candidates.
16:52:27 <TomB> Bernard: deadline?
16:52:46 <TomB> Guus: pubn decision Jan 22-23 and review in the coming week.
16:53:30 <TomB> ...need one week for process.
16:54:23 <TomB> Guus: people besides reviewers are welcome to comment.
16:55:02 <TomB> ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa.
16:55:22 <RalphS> Topic: Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies
16:55:35 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Jon will choose one of the three issues pages, create a proposed format, and then post to the list for discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action11]
16:55:48 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0000.html Cookbook Issues Page [Jon]
16:56:01 <RalphS> Jon: I have to add a clarification to an issue that Diego posted
16:56:35 <RalphS> Guus: the chairs open [accept] an issue and assign an owner
16:56:56 <RalphS> ... is Diego willing to be the owner of this issue?
16:56:59 <RalphS> Diego: accepted
16:57:22 <RalphS> s/this issue/issue COOKBOOK-I1.1/
16:57:40 <RalphS> ACTION: Diego progress issue COOKBOOK-I1.1
16:58:22 <RalphS> Topic: Deliverable 3: Principles for Managing RDF Vocabularies (namespaces, change management, versioning)
16:58:33 <RalphS> Guus: leave this for next week or f2f as we're out of time
16:58:36 <RalphS> [adjourn]
16:58:41 <Zakim> -Daniel
16:58:42 <Zakim> -Bernard_Horan
16:58:43 <Zakim> -aliman
16:58:44 <Zakim> -Guus
16:58:45 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
16:58:47 <Zakim> -Sean
16:58:48 <Zakim> -Jon_Phipps.a
16:58:49 <Zakim> -Antoine_Isaac
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16:58:53 <Zakim> -berrueta
17:00:12 <dlrubin> dlrubin has left #swd
17:00:14 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:00:18 <Zakim> -TomB
17:00:35 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
17:00:38 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:00:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html RalphS
17:00:39 <Zakim> Attendees were TomB, Ralph, Elisa_Kendall, Jon_Phipps, Guus, Daniel, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, aliman, Bernard_Horan, Sean
17:02:07 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
17:02:07 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-actions.rdf :
17:02:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [1]
17:02:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-irc#T16-07-00
17:02:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: RalphS inform group on evening event. [2]
17:02:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-irc#T16-14-55
17:02:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08] [3]
17:02:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-irc#T16-44-35
17:02:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa. [4]
17:02:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-irc#T16-55-02
17:02:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego progress issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 [5]
17:02:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-irc#T16-57-40