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13:57:53 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
13:57:56 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
13:57:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas
13:58:10 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jan/0004.html
13:58:21 <RalphS> Previous: 2006-12-18 http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes
14:00:47 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:02:41 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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14:06:37 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:06:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:06:38 <Zakim> +Steven
14:07:31 <Zakim> +??P12
14:07:38 <MarkB_> zakim, i am ?
14:07:38 <Zakim> +MarkB_; got it
14:08:08 <RalphS> Regrets: Elias
14:09:05 <RalphS> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF
14:09:09 <RalphS> Chair: Ben
14:09:32 <RalphS> zakim, pick a victim
14:09:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steven
14:09:45 <RalphS> next scribe: Steven
14:09:51 <RalphS> Steven: regrets for next week
14:10:12 <RalphS> Ralph: next Monday (15 Jan) is an MIT holiday but I'll be at work
14:10:24 <RalphS> Ben: SWD WG face-to-face in 2 weeks
14:10:43 <RalphS> ... we owe the WG a copy of Use Cases document tomorrow
14:10:53 <Steven> (I was only joking about regrets for next week, by the way)
14:11:12 <RalphS> (ah, so you accept scribe next week?)
14:12:19 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122
14:15:06 <RalphS> Ralph: We'll have teleconf facilities too in case travel cost is too great
14:15:19 <mhausenblas> I'll join via IRC on 2007-01-23 from 9-11 (UTC?)
14:16:38 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/MGM07req/ registration page
14:16:47 <RalphS> Ralph: Registration page shows the list of groups who are planning to meet
14:17:00 <RalphS> ... it's a much smaller list than normal Tech Plenary weeks
14:17:11 <RalphS> ... agenda times are Boston local times; i.e. UTC-5
14:17:23 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17]
14:17:27 <RalphS> -- done
14:17:47 <RalphS> Ben: see Advanced Structured Blogging for Scientists
14:18:14 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
14:19:02 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/ tracker instance for SWD
14:19:34 <RalphS> Ralph: I will announce the tracker instance to the WG as soon as I confirm that it works
14:19:45 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
14:19:48 <RalphS> -- continues
14:19:58 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker
14:20:13 <RalphS> Michael: MMSEM WG is using tracker
14:20:33 <RalphS> s/WG/XG/
14:21:08 <RalphS> s/tracker/a tool to transfer issues from Wiki to HTML, I hope to reuse this to transfer data to tracker/
14:21:15 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]
14:21:29 <RalphS> -- withdrawm
14:21:39 <RalphS> Ben: Michael did everything I'd planned to do and more
14:21:47 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
14:22:16 <RalphS> Mark: expected this to be a short action but the changes to the XHTML modularization schemas in Q4 2006 were bigger than I'd expected
14:22:19 <RalphS> -- continues
14:22:48 <RalphS> Mark: need to check with Shane that he's happy with my approach
14:23:30 <RalphS> s/drawm/drawn/
14:24:08 <RalphS> Mark: I think the modularization document should really only focus on the schemas
14:24:27 <RalphS> Ben: right, point to the syntax document for the semantics
14:26:34 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Michael move the issues list to the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
14:26:44 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]
14:26:46 <RalphS> -- continues
14:27:15 <RalphS> -- withdrawn
14:27:23 <RalphS> Michael: I think it's too soon to add this
14:27:28 <RalphS> ... we can consider it later
14:27:33 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
14:27:38 <RalphS> -- continues
14:27:50 <RalphS> Ben: this is looking a lot like the Advanced Blogging use case
14:28:03 <RalphS> ... may be some more data-oriented things after I look at it more
14:28:07 <RalphS> ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
14:28:11 <RalphS> -- continues
14:28:19 <RalphS> Michael: I'm willing to start an FAQ
14:29:25 <RalphS> Ben: go ahead; I think Elias made an outline, so try to find it
14:29:40 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#FAQ
14:30:18 <RalphS> Michael: transfer that to SWD Wiki?
14:30:23 <RalphS> Ralph: why not keep it where it is
14:30:30 <RalphS> Ben: we can cite it from SWD Wiki
14:30:42 <RalphS> ... needs some introductory material
14:32:44 <RalphS> Ben: let's withdraw Elias' action
14:33:03 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael contine work on the FAQ template that Elias started
14:33:09 <RalphS> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
14:33:12 <RalphS> -- continues
14:33:49 <mhausenblas> s/contine/continue
14:34:00 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
14:34:05 <RalphS> -- continues
14:34:58 <RalphS> Mark: keep this action, as it pertains to whether reification is or is not needed for RDFa
14:35:22 <RalphS> Ben: would be nice to have a well-accepted way to say who authorized a license
14:35:26 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]
14:35:41 <RalphS> -- continues
14:35:55 <RalphS> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
14:36:16 <RalphS> -- continues
14:38:15 <RalphS> Steven: was talking with Ivan and he thinks the Use Cases document is ready to publish
14:40:47 <RalphS> Ben: I'm reluctant to solicit SWD WG reviewers tomorrow; would like to let TF members have more time to comment
14:40:58 <RalphS> Mark: the editor's draft is publicly visible, right?
14:41:00 <RalphS> Ralph, Ben: right
14:42:55 <RalphS> Ralph: I'd like us to publish in www.w3.org/TR/ space asap
14:44:20 <RalphS> Ben: can everyone here do 30 mins of review by tomorrow and send my any comments?
14:44:33 <RalphS> [yes from everyone]
14:46:03 <Steven> q+
14:46:13 <RalphS> Ralph: we don't have to resolve all comments before publishing -- we can put in editorial notes saying "this needs work"
14:46:25 <benadida> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jan/0006.html
14:46:52 <RalphS> Topic: UC #1
14:47:06 <RalphS> Ben: we could add '#' without much comment
14:47:20 <RalphS> Mark: the issue is about the subject in the triple
14:47:26 <RalphS> Ben: oops
14:48:35 <RalphS> ... I'll update this, inclined to use proper #-uri without giving much explanation
14:49:06 <RalphS> Mark: I've written about this a lot; I think RDFa is a nice way to deal with the subject confusion
14:50:28 <RalphS> ... e.g. we don't know what sort of resource the UC 1 hrefs are citing but we do know definitely that the [default] subject is an HTML document, since we've retrieved that document
14:50:52 <RalphS> ... if we use #me that empasizes a nice convention
14:51:16 <RalphS> Topic: UC #2
14:51:44 <RalphS> Steven: should we be referring to the URI of the image rather than an id ?
14:51:53 <RalphS> Ben: I copied that from Bob Ducharme without much thought
14:52:29 <RalphS> Mark: the IMG tag might say "this section of the document is embargoed" but that would make the dc:creator wrong
14:53:05 <RalphS> ... IPTC would lean toward this sort of use case; add metadata to the document head as the document gets longer
14:53:12 <RalphS> Topic: UC #4
14:53:23 <RalphS> Steven: section 5, the use of "inner" is too technical
14:54:17 <RalphS> Ben: any opposition to changing UC 2 to refer to the image source?
14:54:20 <RalphS> [no objections]
14:55:15 <RalphS> Michael: it would be nice to illustrate the output of some of the RDFa extractors, e.g. Elias' work
14:56:34 <benadida> ACTION: ben to update uc2, image src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet
14:57:16 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, please draft minutes 
14:57:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:57:22 <Zakim> -Ralph
14:57:49 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas 
14:58:46 <mhausenblas> Discussion on structured blogging
14:59:17 <mhausenblas> Mark: The blog is the medium
14:59:52 <mhausenblas> Ben: Stop using blog (except in UC#1)
15:00:15 <mhausenblas> ... use publishing scientific researhc instead
15:00:29 <mhausenblas> s/researhc/research
15:02:58 <mhausenblas> Topic: XHTML 1.1 Module Spec
15:03:01 <mhausenblas> next week
15:03:14 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
15:03:22 <mhausenblas> none
15:03:29 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:03:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:03:31 <Zakim> -Steven
15:03:32 <Zakim> -MarkB_
15:03:36 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
15:03:36 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
15:03:38 <Zakim> SW_SWD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has ended
15:03:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben_Adida, Steven, MarkB_
15:07:52 <mhausenblas> \exit
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18:47:19 <RalphS> i^Chair:^scribenick: Ralphs
18:47:29 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
18:47:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS
18:49:59 <RalphS> i/Chair:/scribenick: Ralphs
18:50:00 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
18:50:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS
18:51:12 <RalphS> i/Chair:/scribenick: RalphS
18:51:14 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
18:51:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS
19:38:57 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> I see 14 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-actions.rdf :
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] [1]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-17-23
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [2]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-19-45
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [3]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-19-58
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] [4]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-21-15
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] [5]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-21-47
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] [6]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-26-44
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [7]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-27-33
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [8]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-28-07
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael contine work on the FAQ template that Elias started [9]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-33-03
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [10]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-33-09
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [11]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-34-00
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] [12]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-35-26
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] [13]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-35-55
19:38:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ben to update uc2, image src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet [14]
19:38:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-56-34