IRC log of htmltf on 2007-01-08

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13:57:53 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please make record public

13:57:56 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

13:57:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Michael_Hausenblas

13:58:10 [RalphS]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jan/0004.html

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Previous: 2006-12-18 http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes

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+Ralph

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+Ben_Adida

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zakim, dial steven-617

14:06:37 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+??P12

14:07:38 [MarkB_]

zakim, i am ?

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+MarkB_; got it

14:08:08 [RalphS]

Regrets: Elias

14:09:05 [RalphS]

Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF

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Chair: Ben

14:09:32 [RalphS]

zakim, pick a victim

14:09:32 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steven

14:09:45 [RalphS]

next scribe: Steven

14:09:51 [RalphS]

Steven: regrets for next week

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Ralph: next Monday (15 Jan) is an MIT holiday but I'll be at work

14:10:24 [RalphS]

Ben: SWD WG face-to-face in 2 weeks

14:10:43 [RalphS]

... we owe the WG a copy of Use Cases document tomorrow

14:10:53 [Steven]

(I was only joking about regrets for next week, by the way)

14:11:12 [RalphS]

(ah, so you accept scribe next week?)

14:12:19 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122

14:15:06 [RalphS]

Ralph: We'll have teleconf facilities too in case travel cost is too great

14:15:19 [mhausenblas]

I'll join via IRC on 2007-01-23 from 9-11 (UTC?)

14:16:38 [RalphS]

-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/MGM07req/ registration page

14:16:47 [RalphS]

Ralph: Registration page shows the list of groups who are planning to meet

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... it's a much smaller list than normal Tech Plenary weeks

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... agenda times are Boston local times; i.e. UTC-5

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ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17]

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-- done

14:17:47 [RalphS]

Ben: see Advanced Structured Blogging for Scientists

14:18:14 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/ tracker instance for SWD

14:19:34 [RalphS]

Ralph: I will announce the tracker instance to the WG as soon as I confirm that it works

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ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

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-- continues

14:19:58 [RalphS]

ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker

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Michael: MMSEM WG is using tracker

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s/WG/XG/

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s/tracker/a tool to transfer issues from Wiki to HTML, I hope to reuse this to transfer data to tracker/

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ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]

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-- withdrawm

14:21:39 [RalphS]

Ben: Michael did everything I'd planned to do and more

14:21:47 [RalphS]

ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]

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Mark: expected this to be a short action but the changes to the XHTML modularization schemas in Q4 2006 were bigger than I'd expected

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-- continues

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Mark: need to check with Shane that he's happy with my approach

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s/drawm/drawn/

14:24:08 [RalphS]

Mark: I think the modularization document should really only focus on the schemas

14:24:27 [RalphS]

Ben: right, point to the syntax document for the semantics

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[DONE] ACTION: Michael move the issues list to the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]

14:26:44 [RalphS]

ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]

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-- continues

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-- withdrawn

14:27:23 [RalphS]

Michael: I think it's too soon to add this

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... we can consider it later

14:27:33 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

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-- continues

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Ben: this is looking a lot like the Advanced Blogging use case

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... may be some more data-oriented things after I look at it more

14:28:07 [RalphS]

ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

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-- continues

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Michael: I'm willing to start an FAQ

14:29:25 [RalphS]

Ben: go ahead; I think Elias made an outline, so try to find it

14:29:40 [mhausenblas]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#FAQ

14:30:18 [RalphS]

Michael: transfer that to SWD Wiki?

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Ralph: why not keep it where it is

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Ben: we can cite it from SWD Wiki

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... needs some introductory material

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Ben: let's withdraw Elias' action

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ACTION: Michael contine work on the FAQ template that Elias started

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ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]

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-- continues

14:33:49 [mhausenblas]

s/contine/continue

14:34:00 [RalphS]

ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]

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-- continues

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Mark: keep this action, as it pertains to whether reification is or is not needed for RDFa

14:35:22 [RalphS]

Ben: would be nice to have a well-accepted way to say who authorized a license

14:35:26 [RalphS]

ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]

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-- continues

14:35:55 [RalphS]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]

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-- continues

14:38:15 [RalphS]

Steven: was talking with Ivan and he thinks the Use Cases document is ready to publish

14:40:47 [RalphS]

Ben: I'm reluctant to solicit SWD WG reviewers tomorrow; would like to let TF members have more time to comment

14:40:58 [RalphS]

Mark: the editor's draft is publicly visible, right?

14:41:00 [RalphS]

Ralph, Ben: right

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Ralph: I'd like us to publish in www.w3.org/TR/ space asap

14:44:20 [RalphS]

Ben: can everyone here do 30 mins of review by tomorrow and send my any comments?

14:44:33 [RalphS]

[yes from everyone]

14:46:03 [Steven]

q+

14:46:13 [RalphS]

Ralph: we don't have to resolve all comments before publishing -- we can put in editorial notes saying "this needs work"

14:46:25 [benadida]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jan/0006.html

14:46:52 [RalphS]

Topic: UC #1

14:47:06 [RalphS]

Ben: we could add '#' without much comment

14:47:20 [RalphS]

Mark: the issue is about the subject in the triple

14:47:26 [RalphS]

Ben: oops

14:48:35 [RalphS]

... I'll update this, inclined to use proper #-uri without giving much explanation

14:49:06 [RalphS]

Mark: I've written about this a lot; I think RDFa is a nice way to deal with the subject confusion

14:50:28 [RalphS]

... e.g. we don't know what sort of resource the UC 1 hrefs are citing but we do know definitely that the [default] subject is an HTML document, since we've retrieved that document

14:50:52 [RalphS]

... if we use #me that empasizes a nice convention

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Topic: UC #2

14:51:44 [RalphS]

Steven: should we be referring to the URI of the image rather than an id ?

14:51:53 [RalphS]

Ben: I copied that from Bob Ducharme without much thought

14:52:29 [RalphS]

Mark: the IMG tag might say "this section of the document is embargoed" but that would make the dc:creator wrong

14:53:05 [RalphS]

... IPTC would lean toward this sort of use case; add metadata to the document head as the document gets longer

14:53:12 [RalphS]

Topic: UC #4

14:53:23 [RalphS]

Steven: section 5, the use of "inner" is too technical

14:54:17 [RalphS]

Ben: any opposition to changing UC 2 to refer to the image source?

14:54:20 [RalphS]

[no objections]

14:55:15 [RalphS]

Michael: it would be nice to illustrate the output of some of the RDFa extractors, e.g. Elias' work

14:56:34 [benadida]

ACTION: ben to update uc2, image src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet

14:57:16 [mhausenblas]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:57:16 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html mhausenblas

14:57:22 [Zakim]

-Ralph

14:57:49 [mhausenblas]

ScribeNick: mhausenblas

14:58:46 [mhausenblas]

Discussion on structured blogging

14:59:17 [mhausenblas]

Mark: The blog is the medium

14:59:52 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Stop using blog (except in UC#1)

15:00:15 [mhausenblas]

... use publishing scientific researhc instead

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s/researhc/research

15:02:58 [mhausenblas]

Topic: XHTML 1.1 Module Spec

15:03:01 [mhausenblas]

next week

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Topic: AOB

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none

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:03:29 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html mhausenblas

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-Steven

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-MarkB_

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-Ben_Adida

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-Michael_Hausenblas

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SW_SWD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben_Adida, Steven, MarkB_

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18:47:19 [RalphS]

i^Chair:^scribenick: Ralphs

18:47:29 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

18:47:29 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS

18:49:59 [RalphS]

i/Chair:/scribenick: Ralphs

18:50:00 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

18:50:00 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS

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i/Chair:/scribenick: RalphS

18:51:14 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

18:51:14 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS

19:38:57 [RalphS]

rrsagent, bye

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

I see 14 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-17-23

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ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [2]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-19-45

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ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-19-58

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] [4]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-21-15

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] [5]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-21-47

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] [6]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-26-44

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [7]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-27-33

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ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-28-07

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ACTION: Michael contine work on the FAQ template that Elias started [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-33-03

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ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [10]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-33-09

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ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [11]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-34-00

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ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] [12]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-35-26

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] [13]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-35-55

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ben to update uc2, image src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet [14]

19:38:57 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-irc#T14-56-34