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14:23:49 <LeeF> zakim, this will be DAWG
14:23:49 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:24:05 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly
14:24:07 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:24:11 <LeeF> Scribe: SimonR
14:24:16 <LeeF> Regrets: kendallclark
14:24:23 <LeeF> Regrets+ EliasT
14:24:39 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0216.html
14:24:59 <LeeF> agenda+ Convene
14:25:08 <LeeF> agenda+ Review ACTION Items
14:25:18 <LeeF> agenda+ Test suite process
14:25:24 <LeeF> agenda+ rq24 algebra
14:25:30 <LeeF> agenda+ Status of blank node / cardinality issue
14:25:40 <LeeF> agenda+ Issue: punctuationSyntax
14:29:50 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:29:57 <Zakim> +??P0
14:30:01 <AndyS> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:30:01 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:30:08 <LeeF> zakim, code?
14:30:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF
14:30:33 <Zakim> +Simon_Raboczi
14:30:35 <AndyS> Ah = +44 number now.  In Bristol as well.
14:30:41 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:30:50 <AndyS> I'll redial.
14:30:54 <Zakim> -AndyS
14:31:30 <Zakim> +??P0
14:31:31 <AndyS> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:31:31 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:33:58 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP
14:33:58 <Zakim> I am sorry, ericP; I do not know a number for ericP
14:34:02 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-617
14:34:02 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:34:03 <Zakim> +EricP
14:35:49 <jeen> jeen has joined #dawg
14:36:35 <LeeF> sort of :)
14:36:38 <LeeF> mostly not :)
14:36:45 <SimonR> Not in any structured way, no.
14:37:18 <Zakim> +??P3
14:37:33 <jeen> Zakim, ??P3 is me
14:37:33 <Zakim> +jeen; got it
14:37:49 <SimonR> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:37:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Simon_Raboczi, LeeF, AndyS, EricP, jeen
14:37:52 <LeeF> zakim, agenda?
14:37:52 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
14:37:54 <Zakim> 1. Convene [from LeeF]
14:37:56 <Zakim> 2. Review ACTION Items [from LeeF]
14:37:57 <Zakim> 3. Test suite process [from LeeF]
14:37:58 <Zakim> 4. rq24 algebra [from LeeF]
14:37:59 <Zakim> 5. Status of blank node / cardinality issue [from LeeF]
14:38:00 <Zakim> 6. Issue: punctuationSyntax [from LeeF]
14:38:11 <LeeF> Dec 12 minutes: http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-dawg-minutes
14:38:13 <SimonR> Meeting proper starting: 14:37
14:38:48 <LeeF> Dec. 19 minutes: http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes
14:38:58 <SimonR> Minutes from 12 Dec approved (seconded by AndyS)
14:39:20 <SimonR> Minutes from 19 Dex approved (also seconded by AndyS)
14:39:32 <LeeF> Zakim, next agendum
14:39:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene" taken up [from LeeF]
14:39:43 <LeeF> zakim, close agendum
14:39:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', LeeF
14:39:51 <LeeF> zakim, pick up agendum 2
14:39:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick up agendum 2', LeeF
14:39:57 <LeeF> zakim, move to agendum 2
14:39:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review ACTION Items" taken up [from LeeF]
14:41:30 <SimonR> I did my ACTION to check out the XML reporting format from xUnit: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2007Jan/0000.html
14:43:16 <SimonR> PatH's ACTION to change the entailment text is DONE; others CONTINUE
14:44:36 <SimonR> Would this be an example: { _:a :p 1 } UNION { _:a :p 2 } -- because we can't have _a: be in the same scope between the two BGPs?
14:45:03 <LeeF> SimonR, might be, but I don't claim to be able to read Bob M's mind :-)
14:45:30 <LeeF> Zakim, move to agendum 3
14:45:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test suite process" taken up [from LeeF]
14:45:33 <AndyS> { _:a :p ?v . FILTER(?v = 1 || ?v = 2) }
14:45:47 <AndyS> but that is an easy one :-)
14:45:59 <SimonR> LeeF: Having second thoughts about leaving BobMcG's objection; would like at least one example of queries that can't be expressed.
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14:48:26 <SimonR> EricP: Wrote down SPARQL's feature list, associated them with grammar productions -- can associate test cases with the features they exercise
14:50:52 <SimonR> Jeen: Thought that features were associated implicitly to tests by the way we group them, but if doing it explicitly is useful, sees no harm in it
14:51:18 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets.ttl
14:51:52 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets
14:52:26 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/facets#WhereClause-noWhere
14:53:12 <ericP> :WhereClause-noWhere a test:DAWGfacet; test:order 17;
14:53:12 <ericP> 	rdfs:comment "WHERE^H^H^H { ... }";
14:53:12 <ericP> 	test:production "WhereClause";
14:53:12 <ericP> 	test:productionURI sparql:rWhereClause .
14:53:44 <ericP> :SelectQuery-star a test:DAWGfacet; test:order 9;
14:53:44 <ericP> 	rdfs:comment "SELECT *";
14:53:44 <ericP> 	test:production "SelectQuery";
14:53:44 <ericP> 	test:productionURI sparql:rSelectQuery;
14:53:44 <ericP> 	test:yaccProduction "_O_QVar_E_Plus_Or__QTIMES_E__C";
14:53:47 <ericP> 	test:rule "TIMES" .
14:55:03 <ericP> test#PrefixDecl
14:55:03 <ericP> test#SelectQuery-Var1
14:55:03 <ericP> test#GraphPattern-spo
14:55:03 <ericP> test#WhereClause-noWhere
14:55:03 <ericP> test#OrderCondition-rVar
14:55:20 <ericP> ...
14:55:21 <ericP> !?s ?p []
14:55:21 <ericP> !?x+?y
14:55:21 <ericP> !?x-?y
14:59:16 <ericP> http://tinyurl.com/ybxr85
14:59:39 <SimonR> LeeF: Would like to annotate existing tests before migrating to new tests
15:00:07 <LeeF> s/LeeF/ericP
15:00:25 <SimonR> (Sorry, mea culpa)
15:03:23 <SimonR> AndyS: If tests have a URI, then the detail about language features associated with tests can be put in a separate file -- they're really only of interest to the WG rather than external testers
15:04:34 <SimonR> EricP: Currently facets have URIs; tests don't yet.  Inclined to drop the facets into the existing tests, and give tests URIs during the changeover
15:05:24 <SimonR> ACTION EricP: run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests
15:07:23 <SimonR> Jeen: Can make a start at some of the less controversial tests to get the process shaken down
15:07:58 <SimonR> EricP: Talked about using EARL as the reporting format; is Jeen interested in doing that?
15:08:50 <SimonR> Jeen: slightly reluctant since EARL is new and different from the current tests.  What's the benefit?
15:10:13 <LeeF> ACTION: Jeen to get started setting up new test directory and picking some initial tests for the working group to approve on 9 Jan
15:13:08 <ericP> SimonR: JUnit exports an XML summary of passed and failed tests
15:13:11 <LeeF> SimonR: When JUnit runs it outputs an XML summary of the tests that failed and passed -- other tools can consume this XML (e.g. automated build tools) 
15:13:15 <AndyS> q+ to ask if this Junit3 or Junit4 or both?
15:13:23 <ericP> ... there are tools that provide summaries
15:13:47 <ericP> ... there are a couple other communities in python and maybe C++ that are using this
15:14:12 <ericP> ... hasn't become a (defacto) standard yet
15:14:45 <ericP> ... if you could query the EARL test reports, you could XSLT that to JUnit's xml format
15:14:56 <LeeF> ack AndyS
15:14:57 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if this Junit3 or Junit4 or both?
15:15:29 <ericP> AndyS: something we can look at?
15:16:26 <AndyS> can't find it at junit.org
15:16:28 <ericP> SimonR: no schema specified for this
15:16:39 <ericP> s/this/JUnit/
15:17:06 <ericP> LeeF: seems we wouldn't gain anything over EARL, so lets stick close to our roots
15:17:22 <ericP> SimonR: you can still XSLT to JUnit
15:17:35 <ericP> +1
15:18:53 <LeeF> zakim, agenda?
15:18:53 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
15:18:55 <Zakim> 1. Convene [from LeeF]
15:18:56 <SimonR> LeeF: Defer discussing the algebra until Fred is available
15:18:57 <Zakim> 2. Review ACTION Items [from LeeF]
15:18:58 <Zakim> 3. Test suite process [from LeeF]
15:18:59 <Zakim> 4. rq24 algebra [from LeeF]
15:19:00 <Zakim> 5. Status of blank node / cardinality issue [from LeeF]
15:19:01 <Zakim> 6. Issue: punctuationSyntax [from LeeF]
15:21:11 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0140.html
15:21:14 <SimonR> AndyS has the text to be added to the spec in order to enact the bnode/cardinality decision
15:23:20 <LeeF> zakim, move to agendum 6
15:23:20 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue: punctuationSyntax" taken up [from LeeF]
15:23:34 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0077.html
15:24:54 <SimonR> LeeF: In this thread, agreed that could live without commas in the SELECT clause
15:25:12 <SimonR> EricP: Does LeeF see a path towards mandatory commas?
15:25:51 <SimonR> LeeF: Once SPARQL 1 is released, unlikely.
15:29:33 <LeeF> PROPOSED: To close http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#punctuationSyntax issue, with no change (no commas in the SELECT list or ORDER BY list)
15:30:09 <SimonR> Seconded by EricP with no objections or abstentions
15:30:18 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to update the issues list marking http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#punctuationSyntax closed
15:30:20 <jeen> (actually it was me seconding it)
15:30:47 <SimonR> Next meeting: Jan 9
15:31:00 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:31:20 <SimonR> (No scribe nominated yet)
15:31:41 <SimonR> Meeting adjourned at 15:30.
15:32:08 <LeeF> thanks for scribing, Simon! Do you have what you need to get a copy of the minutes to the WG?
15:32:47 <SimonR> Oops, yes I will.
15:33:27 <SimonR> Usually someone does the voodoo for me, but I might be able to figure it out with a bit of fiddling...
15:33:44 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft the minutes
15:33:44 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please draft the minutes', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:34:00 <LeeF> let's see
15:34:28 <LeeF> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:34:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/02-dawg-minutes.html LeeF
15:34:40 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make log world-visible
15:34:46 <ericP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0009
15:35:00 <SimonR> I'll email it to EricP when I'm done so it can be put on the WG list, rather than the comments list.
15:35:20 <LeeF> Sounds good.
15:35:58 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:35:59 <AndyS> AndyS has left #dawg
15:36:41 <LeeF> Speaking of which -- do you have a moment to chat, Simon? I'd like to know what the chances are (if any!) of getting you on board as a full WG member (and I have no clue what the current status of that is, if anything)
15:39:08 <SimonR> Sure, I have time.  The rough plan (not yet acted upon) is for me to talk to National ICT Australia, which is a W3C member, and get myself attached to them in order to get myself as an official WG member.  I haven't moved on that yet, alas.  :)
15:39:45 <LeeF> RRSAgent, please leave
15:39:45 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/02-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:39:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [1]
15:39:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/02-dawg-irc#T15-05-24
15:39:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeen to get started setting up new test directory and picking some initial tests for the working group to approve on 9 Jan [2]
15:39:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/02-dawg-irc#T15-10-13
15:39:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to update the issues list marking http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#punctuationSyntax closed [3]
15:39:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/02-dawg-irc#T15-30-18