IRC log of i18nits on 2006-12-20

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meeting: i18n ITS Working Group

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0050.html

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Yves

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+Felix

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Hi guys: I am still in a meeting. Will join you as soon as possible. Sorry.

15:03:30 [fsasaki]

ok

15:03:30 [YvesS]

ok Christian.

15:04:20 [fsasaki]

rahtz?

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15:04:34 [rahtz]

I am on another telco, will try to close it down

15:04:50 [YvesS]

ok

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+??P6

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topic: action items

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ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead. (PENDING)

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Andrzej: hopefully will be done this week

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ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works the right way (PENDING)

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Andrzej: will pass this now to my engineer

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ACTION: Felix to add a link to the script in the implementation report (DONE)

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ACTION: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test report script on w3c server is possible (ONGOING)

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http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/

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+Sebastian_Rahtz

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Felix: wanted to use this XSLT interface http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/ for upload

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.. of a file with your input data and result data

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.. the file would have the format at http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/input-file-list.xml

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Yves: would be good

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Yves to extract the result format for each data category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp. Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal (ONGOING)

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ACTION: Yves to extract the result format for each data category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp. Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal (ONGOING)

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Felix: need to create s.t. for ruby and directionality

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Yves: we need to address different namespace

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Felix: I would just put all ITS markup into the result namespace

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.. when I finish the XSLT script, I'll make a list of all "output" markup

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Yves: so you can adapt your implementations to use that

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ACTION: Felix to make sure we have test examples for direcionality and ruby (DONE)

15:16:07 [fsasaki]

Felix: added the examples from the draft, we have both global and local, no examples for ruby pointer attributes yet

15:16:19 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0074.html

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topic: AI 03

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Sebastian: no further comments

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Andrzej: o.k.

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+??P12

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ACTION: Christian to send an update with Yves' feedback on AI 03 included

15:18:16 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0075.html

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topic: AI 04 from the agenda

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Yves: "caveat" does not fit maybe

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Sebastian: Clarification is a clearer word

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ACTION: Yves to add the inheritance example to CVS

15:20:03 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0073.html

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topic: New ITS comments

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Yves: the comment about XLink is troubesome

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Sebastian: we have to add an attribute to our schema?

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Yves: XLink has the "type" attribute

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.. we have to change the exampes

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Sebastian: it does not effect the implementations

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.. does the XLink type attribute to be compulsory?

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ACTION: Sebastian to add the XLink type attribute to the test suite files, Felix to do the same with the files related to the ODD file

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Yves: the other issue is the "version" attribute

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.. Jirka was asking why we have the "version" attribute in a namespace

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ACTION: Felix to go back to Jirka on the "version" attribute saying we don't see a lot of gain from the change

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ACTION: Felix to ask Jirka about whether he wants to participate in ITS actively

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ACTION: editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like

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ACTION: Felix to change links from the WD to examples, so that they link to the input data directory

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Sebastian: on the name() function: you could use local-name() instead

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ACTION: Felix to make the schematron fix

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Yves: last issue: how does versioning work?

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ACTION: Felix to go back to Jirka and explain versioning

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topic: open ITS issues

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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=ITS&component=ITS+tagset&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssub

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Yves: we are working on http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4096

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Sebastian: for http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 , we are waiting for Andrzej?

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Yves: yes

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Felix: Sebastian, is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0065.html still an issue?

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Sebastian: I think that's my problem, no need to track it for 4096

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Yves: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4098 is also ongoing with the editors

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.. 4099 is the implementation format

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ACTION: Editors to add to a draft s.t. about the output of ITS processing

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Felix: like "This spec defines ITS markup and its interpretation and processing. It does not define the result of the processing. That depends on the implementation"

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Yves: on http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3941

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.. do we need a description in the draft on how to handle whose?

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.. also no description for multiple notes as the result

15:40:11 [YvesS]

http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-i18nits-minutes.html#item03

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Felix: maybe we don't need BP about XPath in the tagset document, maybe we can have this in the BP document

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Christian: will the BP not focus on non-ITS stuff?

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Yves: no, there will be ITS stuff as well

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Christian: ok

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RESOLUTION: close 3941 : we don't need BP about XPath in the tagset document, maybe we can have this in the BP document

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topic: AOB

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-Sebastian_Rahtz

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-Christian

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-Felix

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-Yves

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-Andrzej

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Felix: everybody waiting for XSLT implementation of the test compare script, will do that ASAP

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Attendees were Yves, Felix, Andrzej, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian

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present: Adrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves

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