IRC log of er on 2006-12-20

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14:44:47 [Zakim]
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14:44:56 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ER
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0098.html
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chair: Shadi
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regrets: Daniela, Charles, Chris
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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+Shadi
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+ThomasT
15:00:53 [JohannesK]
zakim, thomast is really Johannes
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+Johannes; got it
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+CarlosI
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+Johannes.a
15:07:35 [CarlosV]
zakim, Johannes.a is CarlosV
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+CarlosV; got it
15:08:23 [shadi]
Topic: HTTP Vocabulary in RDF publication
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scribe: Shadi
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scribenick: shadi
15:10:20 [shadi]
saz: publication going online soon, thanks all for your hard work
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...especially Johannes and CarlosV
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...publication provoked a lot of interest within W3C groups
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...hope to be getting several review comments over the next while
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...Johannes will be maintaining an issues list for the WD
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Topic: confirm date for upcoming face-to-face
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RESOLUTION: next ERT WG face-to-face meeting on 22-23 February 2007 in Gijon, Spain
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saz: thanks to CTIC for hosting the event
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action: SAZ get in touch with CI about meeting logistics etc
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Topic: Joint WAI testing meeting
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saz: 24 January 2007 in Boston, USA
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saz: results from this meeting will be made available to ERT WG
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Topic: Extending ERT WG Charter
15:21:12 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0097
15:23:21 [shadi]
saz: charter can only be extended for one year because WAI Technical Activity only chartered until 31 December 2007
15:25:04 [shadi]
...will chop off 2008 and we will revisit the charter in one year
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cv: what about adding the WG Notes (HTTP Vocabulary and Pointers) to deliverables?
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saz: will check
15:26:20 [shadi]
Topic: alternate for earl:validity
15:26:42 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0088
15:31:53 [shadi]
cv: what about earl:result
15:32:04 [shadi]
saz: taken already for TestResult
15:33:02 [shadi]
ci: what about earl:testresult (note the case)
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saz: confusing and not sure if RDF is case sensitive
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ci: recent use of earl:outcome shows its pretty natural
15:38:01 [JohannesK]
'sensitive' does not appear in RDF Primer, RDF/XML syntax, and RDFS specs
15:38:47 [shadi]
cv: proposal to change earl:result to earl:testresult, and then change earl:validity to earl:result
15:39:22 [CarlosV]
actually earl:testResult
15:43:06 [shadi]
jk: seems strange to have earl:testresult and earl:result
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brainstorms: value, label, output, rating
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RESOLUTION: best option right now seems earl:outcome, will use that unless someone objects
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action: SAZ send resolution and brainstorm words to the list to get input from the group
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Topic: addressing warnings in EARL
15:49:14 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0075
15:50:34 [shadi]
A. drop the idea of warnings in EARL completely
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B. adopt a simple literal earl:warning property
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C. adopt a more comprehensive earl:Warning class
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ci: think we can discard option C, prefer option A, can see some use cases for option B
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...must be careful in describing correct usage to avoid misuse or confusion
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...took long for the group itself to come to common understanding
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cv: not in favor of adding extra complexity, not sure about the difference between adding a property and a new validity (outcome) level
15:58:49 [shadi]
saz: additional information such as in the LONGDESC example, it could be a sub-property of dc:description as proposed by Charles
16:00:20 [shadi]
jk: see use cases for option B, so vote for option B
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cv: can live with option B but with a different name than "warning". for example "information" or so
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RESOLUTION: consensus on option B for now, unless someone has objections
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action: SAZ send resolution to the list to get input from the group
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-Johannes
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-Shadi
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-CarlosV
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-CarlosI
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI, CarlosV
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: SAZ get in touch with CI about meeting logistics etc [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-er-irc#T15-17-18
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ACTION: SAZ send resolution and brainstorm words to the list to get input from the group [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-er-irc#T15-48-40
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ACTION: SAZ send resolution to the list to get input from the group [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/20-er-irc#T16-03-32