IRC log of databinding on 2006-12-19

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Zakim, this will be DBWG
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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Date: 19 December 2006
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scribe: pauld
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chair: pauld
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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld
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zakim, ??P18 is gcowe
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+gcowe; got it
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zakim, ??P32 is vlad
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+vlad; got it
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15:11:23 [pauld]
yves: can't make the 8-9the
15:12:01 [pauld]
pauld: Ok, following week 13-15th in Nice
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ACTION: ylafon to book room in Nice 13-15th
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Created ACTION-96 - Book room in Nice 13-15th [on Yves Lafon - due 2006-12-26].
15:12:23 [vlad]
vlad: i'm not available at that time
15:13:56 [pauld]
minutes from last telcon approved
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Topic: ISSUE-2: test suite
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15:15:34 [pauld]
vlad: had problems with xs:include, propose not using includes, include the patterns in the example schemas
15:17:05 [pauld]
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15:21:22 [pauld]
pauld: are you saying the << element ref="" >> pattern is possibly problematic?
15:21:35 [pauld]
vlad: this one looks fine
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<xs:element name="targetNamespace" type="xs:string"/>
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was missing
15:24:13 [pauld]
pauld: in the case of TargetNamespace we have a generic issue with examples which are complete schemas
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vlad: these examples are incomplete
15:26:25 [pauld]
pauld: first issue is one which george picked up around generating static include files
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pauld: second is complete schemas don't have the echo element in the generated echoXXX.xsd schema and WSDL
15:27:24 [pauld]
ACTION: pdowney to fix echo examples for complete schemas such as TargetNamespace
15:27:24 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-97 - Fix echo examples for complete schemas such as TargetNamespace [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-26].
15:29:17 [pauld]
pauld: not worried with the TargetNamespace example (coverage) but includes need fixing
15:30:04 [pauld]
yves: currently working on removing spurious text nodes (insignificant whitespace) for XMLUnit comparison
15:30:26 [pauld]
pauld: been try Axis testing working sought assistance within BT
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pauld: no feed back from outside the Working Group, which is a worry
15:31:57 [pauld]
pauld: will contact some developers directly
15:32:55 [pauld]
Topic: ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
15:33:13 [pauld]
yves: nothing new on hosting the service
15:33:59 [pauld]
ACTION: pdowney to resurrect the generated schemtron stylesheet
15:34:00 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-98 - Resurrect the generated schemtron stylesheet [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-26].
15:35:32 [pauld]
nice list of schemas in the wild posted to comments list:
15:36:25 [pauld]
gcowe: continue to use the patterns detector internally
15:36:39 [pauld]
Topic: ISSUE-99: XSLT 2.0 terminology?
15:37:04 [pauld]
pauld: took an action, proposal still in my email buffer
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Topic: ISSUE-100: LC: Basic Profile Compliant Import
15:38:19 [pauld]
pauld: this seems to be the only way to import a schema into a WSDL, access the elements from messages and be BP compliant
15:38:30 [pauld]
gcowe: not a chameleon schema!
15:38:34 [pauld]
pauld: no!
15:40:03 [pauld]
pauld: could be an issue, i'm not convinced it's valid due to schema import not being transitive
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ACTION: pdowney to craft examples and patterns for ISSUE-100 transitive import
15:40:29 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-99 - Craft examples and patterns for ISSUE-100 transitive import [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-26].
15:41:22 [pauld]
paul bores the WG with his explanation
15:41:32 [pauld]
gcowe: we don't encounter this issue.
15:42:18 [pauld]
pauld: could be an issue for the Basic Patterns document becasue no targetNamespace isn't allowed
15:43:00 [pauld]
.. suspect we could add this pattern if it's incorrect but could be a substabtive change
15:44:19 [pauld]
15:44:34 [pauld]
jonc: so it's currently advanced?
15:45:12 [pauld]
.. can we craft a pattern to capture just this use
15:45:37 [pauld]
pauld: yes, we can detect noTargetNamespace schemas with nothing but imports in them
15:46:32 [pauld]
pauld: thinks the elements in the imported schema won't be available to a validator
15:46:53 [pauld]
Topic: ISSUE-101: fractionDigits, minLength and maxLength proposed patterns
15:47:04 [pauld]
pauld: new issue from George
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gcowe: we found some patterns in our document
15:48:32 [pauld]
.. currently have patterns but these apply to xs:string, added patterns for our cases
15:48:34 [pauld]
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pauld: three patterns in one issue?
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gcowe: fractions belongs with totalDigits
15:50:04 [Zakim]
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15:52:08 [pauld]
pauld: exercised how to process patterns with respect to the issues list
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pauld: been adding new patterns as "pending"
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15:56:09 [pauld]
pauld: would like George (and possibly Jon) to have CVS access and work from the patterns.xml and examples.xml rather than the ISSUES list
15:56:30 [pauld]
pauld: we can batch accept patterns as Advanced and track as ISSUES at the F2F
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RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-101 as Advanced patterns
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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Paul_Downey, gcowe, vlad, Jon_Calladine, Yves
15:59:17 [pauld]
pauld: happy Christmas/New Year/Holidays everybody, see you on the 16th Jan
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I have made the request to generate pauld
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