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15:48:09 <ivan> zakim, this will be sweo
15:48:09 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
15:48:21 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
15:48:40 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO IG Weekly Telco
15:48:43 <ivan> Chair: Susie
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15:56:45 <pasquale> hi all
15:56:48 <pasquale> good morning
15:56:50 <ivan> hello pasquale!
15:56:54 <pasquale> ciao
15:57:00 <ivan> good evening for me:-(
15:57:12 <pasquale> also for me ;-)
15:57:39 <kjetilk> good localtime()!
15:57:46 <pasquale> ahah
15:57:47 <LeeF> g'day, pasquale, kjetilk
15:57:59 <kjetilk> hi LeeF
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15:58:09 <LeeF> zakim, code?
15:58:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), LeeF
15:58:10 <pasquale> hi Leef
15:58:14 <LeeF> thanks, z.
15:58:26 <wing> wing has joined #sweo
15:58:54 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()11:00AM has now started
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15:59:01 <Zakim> + +1.925.842.aaaa
15:59:19 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
15:59:20 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-617
15:59:20 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:59:21 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:59:38 <LeeF> zakim, IBMCambridge holds LeeF and wing
15:59:38 <Zakim> +LeeF, wing; got it
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15:59:51 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aabb
15:59:54 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is frank
15:59:54 <Zakim> +frank; got it
15:59:55 <Zakim> +??P11
15:59:58 <kidehen> kidehen
16:00:00 <uldis> uldis has joined #sweo
16:00:01 <Zakim> +??P15
16:00:12 <ivan> zakim, ??P11 susie
16:00:12 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P11 susie', ivan
16:00:18 <kidehen> kidehen
16:00:23 <ivan> zakim, ??P11 is susie
16:00:23 <Zakim> +susie; got it
16:00:33 <ivan> zakim ??P15 is kingsley
16:00:34 <Zakim> +??P18
16:00:40 <kidehen> kingsley is kidehen
16:00:45 <ivan> zakim, ??P15 is kingsley
16:00:47 <Zakim> +kingsley; got it
16:00:53 <danbri> Hi folks. I'll be joining from Skype dial-in. It proved patchy quality yesterday, here's hoping for today.
16:01:06 <kidehen> 781 is kidehen/kingsley
16:01:10 <kjetilk> could be me
16:01:19 <ivan> zakim, ??P15 is uldis
16:01:19 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as kingsley, ivan
16:01:35 <kjetilk> zakim, who do you see?
16:01:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, kjetilk.
16:01:40 <Zakim> +??P26
16:01:43 <Frank> Frank has joined #SWEO
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16:02:12 <Zakim> +??P24
16:02:18 <uldis> ina joined
16:02:23 <ivan> zakim, ??P26 is ina
16:02:23 <Zakim> +ina; got it
16:02:26 <kjetilk> how do I get Zakim to say which aren't identified?
16:02:32 <ivan> zakim, ??P24 is martin
16:02:38 <Zakim> +martin; got it
16:02:48 <martind> thanks for giving me id ;-)
16:02:50 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:51 <ivan> ScribeNick: uldis
16:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see frank, [IBMCambridge], Ivan, +1.781.273.aabb, susie, kingsley, ??P18, ina, martin
16:03:02 <Zakim> [IBMCambridge] has LeeF, wing
16:03:08 <Zakim> +Ian_Davis
16:03:23 <ivan> zakim, Ian_Davis is paulmiller
16:03:32 <Zakim> +paulmiller; got it
16:04:25 <ivan> zakim, ??P18 uldis
16:04:26 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P18 uldis', ivan
16:04:37 <ivan> zakim, ??P18 is uldis
16:04:37 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
16:04:40 <Zakim> +Orri
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16:05:33 <uldis> start off with ivan providing an overview of IRC
16:05:49 <uldis> review actions items & discuss progress re. questionairs
16:05:59 <uldis> talk re. web developers to contact
16:06:10 <uldis> discuss how we should be targeting them
16:06:22 <uldis> finish w. progress on resource gathering
16:06:59 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/mid/457FCFDB.6080003@w3.org
16:07:22 <ivan> q+
16:07:41 <ivan> q?
16:07:46 <ivan> ack q
16:07:50 <uldis> most important IRC command: queue mgmnt
16:07:55 <ivan> ack ivan
16:08:10 <Zakim> +Karen
16:08:20 <Zakim> +??P2
16:08:32 <ivan> zakim, ??P2 is dave
16:08:32 <Zakim> +dave; got it
16:09:30 <uldis> wiki page for this conference call:
16:09:31 <uldis> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2006-12-13_Conference_Call
16:10:10 <uldis> ivan tells about the scribe script
16:10:53 <uldis> please avoid using channel for parallel conversation because that clutters up the log
16:12:11 <ivan> zakim, who is speaking
16:12:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', ivan
16:12:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:12:30 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is kjetilk
16:12:30 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
16:12:32 <kjetilk> Zakim: IPcaller is KjetilK
16:13:16 <uldis> who is introducing himself now?
16:13:19 <uldis> kjetilk?
16:13:22 <kjetilk> yup
16:13:45 <uldis> works at Opera, getting interested in SemWeb
16:13:55 <uldis> also interested in outread and education
16:13:58 <uldis> just joined the group
16:14:41 <uldis> paul walsh also first time on the call
16:14:48 <uldis> ---
16:14:50 <ivan> Topic: Action items
16:15:25 <uldis> Susie: may be a little early for [some of] these action items
16:16:03 <uldis> working with Karen on questionaire
16:16:53 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Questionnaire
16:17:40 <uldis> this is the latest version of the questionaire
16:18:17 <uldis> decided to use a W3C web tool to do the questionaire
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16:18:48 <uldis> questions are in 4 main areas: 
16:18:53 <uldis>  - general awareness
16:19:08 <uldis>  - implementations [that people may have done]
16:19:55 <martind> q+
16:19:59 <uldis> also: How do customers perceive your usage of Semantic Web technologies? (open dialogue)
16:20:45 <ivan> q+
16:20:50 <uldis>  - influencers [who makes decisions, ...]
16:21:34 <uldis>  - personal
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16:21:43 <uldis> should take 10 minutes to fill it out
16:21:57 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Questionnaire
16:22:05 <uldis> have prepared a cover letter to go with the questionaire
16:22:32 <wing> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Cover_Letter
16:22:47 <uldis> please provide feedback by the end of the week
16:22:47 <ivan> q?
16:22:54 <Susie> q?
16:23:02 <ivan> ack martind
16:23:38 <ivan> q-
16:23:42 <LeeF> q+ to express fear that the survey might be too long
16:23:59 <Zakim> +??P8
16:24:04 <uldis> martin: would be useful to compare familiarity with semweb with other technologies like WWW, web 2.0, ...
16:24:08 <danbri> ??P8 is danbri
16:24:14 <danbri> zakim, ??P8 is danbri
16:24:14 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
16:24:23 <Susie> q?
16:24:59 <uldis> is it karen?
16:25:03 <wing> yes
16:25:04 <LeeF> yes
16:25:05 <ivan> yes
16:25:14 <uldis> karen: a good question. 
16:25:35 <uldis> it'd help us to better understand why people are using other technologies and which 
16:25:36 <ivan> ack LeeF
16:25:38 <Zakim> LeeF, you wanted to express fear that the survey might be too long
16:25:42 <danbri> danbri has changed the topic to: sweo 13dec agenda: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2006-12-13_Conference_Call
16:25:54 <uldis> lee: a bit surprised by length of q.
16:25:54 <martind> q+
16:26:04 <uldis> thinks it would take significantly longer than 10 minutes
16:26:13 <uldis> especially the open dialogues
16:26:38 <uldis> not convinced it is bad to have it longer
16:27:35 <ivan> ack martind
16:27:48 <uldis> Karen will check with Ian about the web questionaire and if we can test how long it takes to fill in
16:28:09 <uldis> martind suggested a wiki page "semantic web me" (?)
16:28:22 <martind> myths...
16:28:36 <ivan> +2
16:28:43 <uldis> kidehen: convinced we should not do this - lead people on questioning path about the myths
16:28:57 <LeeF> that was Lee
16:28:58 <ivan> s/kidehen/Lee/
16:29:05 <uldis> oh, sorry. thanks 
16:29:05 <kidehen> :-)
16:29:41 <uldis> Susie: action items re. questionaire
16:29:46 <ivan> q+
16:29:55 <uldis> add question re technologies - incorporate it in
16:30:01 <ivan> action: susie & karen to finalize the questions
16:30:09 <ivan> action: ivan to create the wbs form
16:30:24 <ivan> action: karen to see with ian wether a test can be set up
16:30:48 <uldis> to finalise the questionaire by end of tomorrow (ivan and karen)
16:30:54 <ivan> ack ivan
16:32:13 <uldis> deadline for feedback on q. - end of tomorrow
16:32:32 <uldis> ivan needs to set up dates of start and end of questionaire
16:32:39 <uldis> what are these dates?
16:33:24 <uldis> in f2f was an action item when do we want to have input - end of january?
16:33:49 <uldis> 19th of jan
16:33:56 <uldis> end date for q.
16:34:57 <ivan> action karen & susie to test the questionnaire by the 19th
16:35:11 <ivan> action: karen & susie to test the questionnaire by the 19th
16:35:18 <ivan> topic: use case identification
16:35:54 <uldis> danbri is here for the first time
16:36:04 <uldis> does self-introduction
16:36:07 <paulmiller> danbri: Hi...  :-)
16:36:25 <uldis> drawn in RDF world in 1997
16:37:17 <uldis> mentions outreach in swad-et-shirts :)
16:37:37 <uldis> was chairing semweb ig
16:37:57 <danbri> best thing we ever did, was make those tshirts!
16:38:06 <uldis> +100 :)
16:38:07 <paulmiller> uldis: *is* chairing...
16:38:14 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=DSC00202.JPG
16:38:19 <uldis> paulmiller: thanx
16:38:24 <uldis> topic: Use cases
16:38:53 <uldis> in f2f decided to focus use cases:
16:39:02 <uldis>  - in industries (one dimention)
16:39:13 <uldis>  - government (another dimension)
16:39:26 <ivan> s/dimention/dimension/
16:39:36 <uldis> target messaging to particular roles in organisation
16:39:57 <uldis> 3 dimentions: industries, job function, technology usage
16:40:49 <ivan> q?
16:40:56 <uldis> think where inside of that "cube" (see photo) you'd be
16:41:05 <uldis> kidehen: is there wiki space for it?
16:41:20 <Susie> Use case Web site: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases
16:41:54 <ivan> q+
16:42:22 <uldis> Susie posted background info and picture on the wiki
16:42:25 <ivan> ack ivan
16:42:51 <uldis> ivan: we should be careful to come up with real-world use cases
16:43:03 <uldis> and not use cases we as techies like
16:43:13 <Frank> q+
16:43:25 <uldis> need to look at them from the industry (e.g. oil) point of view
16:43:32 <uldis> and come up with _real_ use cases
16:43:46 <uldis> involving industry experts
16:44:28 <ivan> ack Frank
16:44:29 <uldis> Susie: need to targe at the right level
16:44:38 <uldis> Frank: need to clarify use cases 
16:44:40 <kidehen> kidehen: I have updated the heading in the Wiki
16:44:51 <kidehen> susie: note
16:44:54 <uldis> ivan refers to business use cases
16:45:10 <uldis> Frank is in energy sector and interested to develop these
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16:45:44 <uldis> ivan gave a connection in Norway and Frank will develop some use cases
16:45:51 <ivan> q+ karen
16:46:05 <paulmiller> Not sure what happened there... all the other channels I'm on stayed connected...
16:46:18 <uldis> Susie: could you give a date when we have some use cases?
16:46:20 <danbri> (there is a former Asemantics guy in Norway doing RDF+oil work btw... David Norheim. Is that the connection?)
16:46:21 <uldis> 17th of jan
16:46:25 <ivan> ack karen
16:46:43 <uldis> deadline for [first?] use cases
16:46:55 <uldis> Karen: make the cube an interactive tool
16:47:10 <uldis> to allow you to choose slices to, e.g., look at use cases from CTO perspective
16:47:30 <uldis> that would be a good way to present this info [in future]
16:47:53 <uldis> LeeF: in Second Life :)
16:48:09 <LeeF> uldis, ooooooooooooo =)
16:48:11 <ivan> q?
16:48:13 <martind> (y)
16:48:18 <uldis> ivan: they do exist, i think
16:48:25 <ivan> topic: web developer community
16:48:42 <uldis> review list of influential web developers
16:48:49 <uldis> ivan put up a secure wiki
16:48:59 <uldis> we have a list 
16:49:06 <uldis> few people don't have email addresses 
16:49:12 <uldis> please add if you know their addresses
16:49:25 <uldis> also add if you have personal contact with them
16:49:27 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/InfluentialPeople
16:49:34 <uldis> (drankBeerWith? :)
16:50:01 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; 10 ports must be freed
16:50:29 <uldis> Susie: not sure if web dev. community will respond as well to the web questionaire
16:50:43 <Susie> q?
16:50:58 <uldis> q+
16:51:05 <uldis> maybe someone has thoughts on that
16:51:13 <uldis> Susie: maybe send a questionaire first
16:51:15 <PaulW> q+
16:51:21 <ivan> ack uldis
16:52:15 <kjetilk> q+
16:52:16 <wing> uldis: security concerns about the members-only wiki pages
16:52:46 <uldis> PaulW: who is original questionaire targeted towards?
16:52:57 <kjetilk> q-
16:53:02 <uldis> Susie: to commercial organisations and vendors (software companies)
16:53:15 <uldis> then decided to extend it to people who were not using SW already
16:54:21 <kjetilk> q+
16:54:23 <uldis> 5 min remaining
16:54:35 <uldis> could someone scribe this question
16:54:39 <uldis> did not catch it
16:54:55 <uldis> PaulW: can reach out to people in UK
16:55:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; 10 ports must be freed
16:55:23 <wing> PaulW: addressing the developers is important
16:55:32 <ivan> q+ karen
16:55:36 <ivan> ack PaulW
16:55:46 <ivan> ack PaulW
16:56:00 <uldis> Susie: we could identify w3c members but not clear how it will scale
16:56:30 <uldis> how to reach out to people not familiar with SW
16:56:42 <uldis> may be mistake to assume they know what is SW
16:57:01 <uldis> we should be targetting the "long tail"
16:57:09 <uldis> should we have a press release?
16:57:15 <uldis> that there is SWEO initiative
16:57:42 <uldis> Susie: could PaulW collect ideas how to reach out to different people and present during next call(s)
16:58:01 <paulmiller> PaulW: happy to help you on that.
16:58:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 2 minutes; 10 ports must be freed
16:58:44 <Susie> q?
16:58:49 <PaulW> cheers Paul
16:58:55 <ivan> ack kjetilk
16:59:02 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 1 minute; 10 ports must be freed
16:59:22 <uldis> kjetilk: don't think we should target the long tail
16:59:41 <uldis> target people who [sound quality too low, did not catch]
16:59:45 <PaulW> q+
16:59:49 <paulmiller> PaulW: no prob.
16:59:56 <wing> kjetilk: target the people writing the code
17:00:01 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end now; 10 ports must be freed immediately
17:00:04 <uldis> have running code which will impress a lot more people
17:00:07 <Zakim> The time reserved for this conference has been exceeded. 10 ports must be freed
17:00:27 <uldis> kjetilk: write in IRC if scribe missed something
17:00:34 <ivan> ack karen
17:00:48 <LeeF> +1
17:00:51 <kjetilk> uldis: it's fine :-)
17:00:51 <uldis> karen:  q. was not targeted for dev. community
17:01:01 <Frank> I second Karen's comment
17:01:04 <uldis> does not suggest to send it to dev. community
17:01:11 <uldis> need different set of questions
17:01:16 <uldis> use different approach
17:01:18 <uldis> ---
17:01:22 <uldis> wrapping up the call
17:01:29 <uldis> did not have time for resource gathering progress
17:01:35 <uldis> action for next call
17:02:01 <Zakim> -kjetilk
17:02:01 <Frank> Frank has left #SWEO
17:02:03 <Zakim> -susie
17:02:09 <Zakim> -Karen
17:02:11 <Zakim> -kingsley
17:02:12 <wing> wing has left #sweo
17:02:13 <Zakim> -Orri
17:02:17 <Zakim> - +1.781.273.aabb
17:02:19 <Zakim> -frank
17:02:20 <danbri> bye all
17:02:21 <Zakim> -paulmiller
17:02:21 <ivan> zakim, bye
17:02:23 <Zakim> -dave
17:02:23 <PaulW> PaulW has left #sweo
17:02:27 <Zakim> -[IBMCambridge]
17:02:29 <Zakim> -danbri
17:02:31 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:02:33 <Zakim> -uldis
17:02:37 <Zakim> -martin
17:02:41 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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17:02:59 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.925.842.aaaa, Ivan, LeeF, wing, +1.781.273.aabb, frank, susie, kingsley, ina, martin, paulmiller, uldis, Orri, Karen, dave,
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17:03:04 <Zakim> ... kjetilk, danbri
17:03:11 <pasquale> ...pasquale
17:04:10 <uldis> was nice to hear everyone again
17:04:20 <uldis> uldis has left #sweo
17:04:33 <pasquale> hi all, bye
17:05:23 <kjetilk> bye!
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