IRC log of i18nits on 2006-12-13

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meeting: i18n ITS Working Group

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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zakim, dial felix-home

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sorry, fsasaki, I don't know what conference this is

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zakim, this will be i18n

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ok, fsasaki; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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zakim, dial felix-home

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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Felix

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0047.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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hello rahtz and chriLi ?

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I'm just finishing another telco, I wil be there in a few minutes

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o.k.

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I'm waiting (I'm alone :(

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+Sebastian_Rahtz

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+??P11

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topic: action items

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Andrzej to check if his implementation works with without the

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<ns> element, using xmlns instead (PENDING)

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action: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with without the

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<ns> element, using xmlns instead (PENDING)

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Felix to explain what axes are possible with the XSLT pattern used in the match attributes (DONE)

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0043.html

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Sebastian: We agreed to add some prose to the spec to say "this sub set will make your life easier"

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.. I don't think it is a pre-condition of ITS that it must be 100% implementable using XSLT

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Felix: agree

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Christian: where in the spec should the note go?

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action: editors to add a note to the spec about the subset of XPath in XSLT

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(AI relying on the thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0043.html)

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action: Felix to write a script which compares the results (DONE)

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0045.html

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<fileList>

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<inputFile name="LocNote1.xml">

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<resultFile location="test2/LocNote1-result.xml"

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implementation="test2"/>

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</inputFile>

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<inputFile name="LocNote2.xml">

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<resultFile location="test2/LocNote2-result.xml"

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implementation="test2"/>

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</inputFile>

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... </fileList>

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

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Felix: I thought of the script to use it for generating the test suite results, see link above

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.. in the result format, only the link to various tests is missing

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Sebastian: need to test this

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Christian: should we make that script available on a web site?

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.. to make automatic comparison possible?

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action: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test report script on w3c server is possible

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Felix: as a start, we could add a link to the script in the implementation report

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action: Felix to add a link to the script in the implementation report

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action: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category information into the huge test file (DONE)

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action: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works the right way (ONGOING)

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action: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately (DONE)

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topic: test suite - Format of the result files

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original thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0047.html

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current stage of discussion at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0052.html

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Sebastian: seems fine to me

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Christian: first I was worried, now I see it's an implementation issue, we are free to do what we want

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action: Yves to extract the result format for each data category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp. Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal

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an example would be e.g. <output translate="yes"/> versus <output its:translate="yes"/>

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topic: Namespace binding mechanism discussion

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We need Andrzej to confirm using xmlns is fine for XMLIntl's

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implementation.

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Sebastian: nothing new to discuss

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topic: Inheritence and Override

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We need some clarification text explaining inheritance stops at nodes

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already selected by another rule.

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action: editors to write some clarification text explaining inheritance stops at nodes

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Christian: suggest to use a text from a mail from Sebastian

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Felix: fine by me

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topic: AOB

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Sebastian: need to get results and checking with XQuery script

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.. my infrastructure and the reporting format is doing the right thing

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.. the implementation is called "spritser"

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Felix: hope to finish all data categories next week

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.. we need some more data for the test suite

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Sebastian: we should make sure we are comprehensive

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Felix: Yves will not implement ruby, maybe also not directionality, we also need test data for ruby / directionality

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-Sebastian_Rahtz

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-Christian

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian

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action: Felix to make sure we have test examples for direcionality and ruby

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present: Christian, Felix, Sebastian

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regrets: Yves

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with without the [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-09-49

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ACTION: editors to add a note to the spec about the subset of XPath in XSLT [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-13-08

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ACTION: Felix to write a script which compares the results (DONE) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-13-43

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ACTION: Felix to check if "publication" as a form of test report script on w3c server is possible [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-19-08

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ACTION: Felix to add a link to the script in the implementation report [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-20-02

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ACTION: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category information into the huge test file (DONE) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-20-27

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ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance & overriding example for Andrzej and send it to him, both verify that inheritance works the right way (ONGOING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-20-59

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ACTION: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately (DONE) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-21-31

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ACTION: Yves to extract the result format for each data category from his implementation and send it to the list. esp. Sebastian and Felix to check if they can live with Yves's proposal [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-28-27

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ACTION: editors to write some clarification text explaining inheritance stops at nodes [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-31-17

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ACTION: Felix to make sure we have test examples for direcionality and ruby [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-i18nits-irc#T15-39-09

16:06:20 [fsasaki]

zakim, bye

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