IRC log of er on 2006-12-13

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14:51:47 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0051.html

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regrets: Shane, Daniela

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agenda+ publishing HTTP Vocabulary in RDF

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agenda+ addressing warnings in EARL

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agenda+ pick up on new listed issues

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agenda+ date for upcoming face-to-face

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agenda+ winter break meeting schedule

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+berrueta

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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+??P8

15:01:55 [shadi]

zakim, ??p8 is really David

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+David; got it

15:02:13 [CarlosI]

zakim, berrueta is really CarlosI

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+CarlosI; got it

15:02:19 [JohannesK]

zakim, klaus is really Johannes

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+Johannes; got it

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regrets: Shane, Daniela, Shane

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regrets: Shane, Daniela, Charles

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scribe: Johannes

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scribenick: JohannesK

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "publishing HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" taken up [from shadi]

15:05:12 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

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Shadi should now be muted

15:05:44 [JohannesK]

SAZ: let's postpone agenda item 2 (addressing warnings in EARL)

15:06:04 [shadi]

zakim, unmute me

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Shadi should no longer be muted

15:06:36 [JohannesK]

SAZ: thanks for the response

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RESOLUTION: publish 'HTTP vocabulary in RDF' as WD

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+??P0

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zakim, ??p0 is really Chris

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+Chris; got it

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zakim, close agendum 1

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agendum 1, publishing HTTP Vocabulary in RDF, closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. addressing warnings in EARL [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "pick up on new listed issues" taken up [from shadi]

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues

15:09:47 [JohannesK]

SAZ: stability of foaf:Organization

15:10:02 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

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Shadi should now be muted

15:10:39 [JohannesK]

CI: I'm in favour, incubator group think it's stable enough

15:10:48 [shadi]

zakim, unmute me

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Shadi should no longer be muted

15:11:18 [JohannesK]

SAZ: any opposing ideas or concerns?

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SAZ: adopt foaf:Organization to be used as an earl:SingleAssertor (recommended like foaf:Person)

15:14:08 [JohannesK]

RESOLUTION: adopt foaf:Organization to be used as an earl:SingleAssertor (recommended like foaf:Person)

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SAZ: renaming of earl:validity

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+??P1

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zakim, ??p1 is really Jim

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+Jim; got it

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SAZ: was comment by Phil Archer

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SAZ: could be earl:outcome instead

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SAZ: any comments?

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CI: Phil's comments make sense, validation is only one type of test; not sure about earl:outcome

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ACTION: david to find a nice alternative for validity

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s/nice alternative/couple of nice alternatives/

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SAZ: consider stand-alone pointer vocabulary

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SAZ: create WG note from that

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SAZ: Jim, would you like to?

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Jim: yes

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ACTION: Jim to create a WG note about pointer vocabulary

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SAZ: consider WCL "groups of resources"

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SAZ: was comment by Phil Archer

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SAZ: web content labelling incubator group is planning to work on this

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SAZ: it may take a while

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Jim: let's wait and see

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Jim: but publish before that

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SAZ: this seems to be the only open issue for the next WD

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RESOLUTION: we will not hold EARL publication, but will monitor development in WCL

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ACTION: SAZ to update issues list

15:30:24 [JohannesK]

SAZ: everyone have a look at issues list

15:30:30 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 3

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agendum 3, pick up on new listed issues, closed

15:30:32 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. addressing warnings in EARL [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "date for upcoming face-to-face" taken up [from shadi]

15:31:35 [JohannesK]

SAZ: Charles does not recommend Oslo because of low temperature

15:32:35 [CarlosI]

European W3C Symposium on eGovernment: http://www.w3c.es/Eventos/2007/eGov/

15:32:42 [JohannesK]

SAZ: there's a symposion in Gijon at Feb 01/02 2007

15:33:36 [JohannesK]

CI: beer is cheaper in Spain

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SAZ: sometime within Feb 19-23?

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SAZ: we'll probably have a Last Call by then

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SAZ: have a new editors' draft of schema document in January, then publish a WDLC

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SAZ: Carlos, how to fly to Gijon?

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CI: via Madrid or Barcelona

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CI: I could provide some logistics information

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SAZ: proposal Feb 22/23 2007 at CTIC in Gijon

15:41:17 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 4

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agendum 4, date for upcoming face-to-face, closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:41:19 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 5

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2. addressing warnings in EARL [from shadi]

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agendum 5. "winter break meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]

15:42:11 [JohannesK]

SAZ: last call this year next week, Dec 20?

15:42:45 [JohannesK]

SAZ: first in 2007 will be Jan 17

15:43:23 [JohannesK]

SAZ: anybody wants to meet at Dec 27?

15:43:27 [JohannesK]

David: no

15:44:14 [JohannesK]

Jim: short time between first call in 2007 and F2F (one month)

15:44:50 [CarlosI]

In case you want to start looking for flights The closer airport is the Asturias Airport (IATA code: OVD), placed at 15 Km. from Avilés, 38 Km. from Gijón.

15:45:38 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 5

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agendum 5, winter break meeting schedule, closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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2. addressing warnings in EARL [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "addressing warnings in EARL" taken up [from shadi]

15:46:22 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0003

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Dec/0049

15:47:20 [JohannesK]

SAZ: first option is not to have warning at all

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SAZ: second option is to have a Literal warning property

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SAZ: third option is to have more complex warnings

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JK: second option is to have warning properties together with a PASS test result?

15:50:29 [JohannesK]

SAZ: yes

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SAZ: warning property of TestResult

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CI: there won't be instances in second option

15:57:04 [JohannesK]

JK: no need for a complex even for CSS validator warnings

15:57:23 [JohannesK]

JK: TestResult with validity PASS, instance, and warning property

15:58:14 [JohannesK]

SAZ: is a warning a property of the test result or of the test case?

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-Chris

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CI: should be in test result, not in test case description

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SAZ: send your opinions about warnings to the list

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SAZ: we should close this next week

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-David

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-Jim

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-Johannes

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-Shadi

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-CarlosI

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, David, CarlosI, Johannes, Chris, Jim

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Zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-er-minutes.html shadi

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: david to find a nice alternative for validity [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-er-irc#T15-18-37

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ACTION: Jim to create a WG note about pointer vocabulary [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-er-irc#T15-22-24

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ACTION: SAZ to update issues list [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-er-irc#T15-30-00