IRC log of tsdtf on 2006-12-12

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc
13:27:30 [Zakim]
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13:27:39 [shadi]
zakim, this will be tsd
13:27:39 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:27:49 [shadi]
meeting: TSD TF
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chair: Christophe
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regrets: Shane, CarlosV
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regrets: Shane, CarlosV, Daniela
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regrets: Shane, CarlosV, Daniela, Vangelis
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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
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+Shadi
13:30:12 [shadi]
agenda+ Selection of monitoring tools
13:30:28 [shadi]
agenda+ Review of evaluation process for test samples
13:30:29 [Zakim]
+Christophe_Strobbe
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe
13:30:47 [shadi]
agenda+ Templates for TCDL metadata
13:30:59 [Zakim]
+Cooper
13:31:34 [Christophe]
zakim, am i here?
13:31:35 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, Christophe.
13:32:11 [ChrisR]
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+berrueta
13:34:17 [Zakim]
+??P3
13:34:47 [shadi]
zakim, ??p3 is really Chris
13:34:47 [Zakim]
+Chris; got it
13:35:03 [shadi]
zakim, berrueta is really CarlosI#
13:35:03 [Zakim]
+CarlosI#; got it
13:35:50 [shadi]
scribe: Chris
13:35:56 [shadi]
scribenick: ChrisR
13:36:03 [shadi]
agenda?
13:36:18 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
13:36:18 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Selection of monitoring tools" taken up [from shadi]
13:36:34 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Dec/0013.html
13:37:13 [ChrisR]
CS: choice between bugzilla and moinmoin wiki
13:37:32 [ChrisR]
CS: not sure what level of automation we need
13:38:24 [ChrisR]
CS: my impression is that most of group is in favour of bugzilla (although I don't find it very friendly)
13:39:55 [ChrisR]
MC: was a fair about of overhead to initially setup and small overhead as we progress for bugzilla.
13:40:16 [ChrisR]
MC: Now bugzilla is working quite well.
13:41:54 [ChrisR]
MC: Wiki seems easiest for public but Bugzilla also offers quite good access to info.
13:42:27 [ChrisR]
MC: We're now using a home grown tool in WCAG group because Bugzilla did not support a few things.
13:44:04 [ChrisR]
CR: Wiki seems easiest but Bugzill can work too. Don't have strong feelings either way.
13:44:31 [ChrisR]
CV: Can go either way.
13:45:14 [CarlosI]
s/CV/CI
13:45:42 [ChrisR]
SAZ: proposes using Wiki to start. Easy and quick to setup with option to switch to bugzilla if problems arrise.
13:46:17 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Can't think of any features that are missing from Wiki and present in Bugzilla that would cause us to use Bugzilla.
13:47:14 [ChrisR]
MC: WCAG group tracks issues differently from this group.
13:48:24 [ChrisR]
SAZ: OK to try out Wiki? (but still give Christophe chance to check with people not on call today)
13:49:37 [ChrisR]
resolution: (not a formal decision but...) recommend that group goes with Wiki.
13:50:13 [ChrisR]
RESOLUTION: (not a formal decision but...) recommend that group goes with Wiki.
13:50:45 [ChrisR]
ACTION: Christophe should check with people not on call regarding resolution.
13:51:10 [Christophe]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
13:51:11 [shadi]
zakim, close agendum 1
13:51:11 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Selection of monitoring tools, closed
13:51:12 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:51:13 [Zakim]
2. Review of evaluation process for test samples [from shadi]
13:51:14 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 2
13:51:14 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Review of evaluation process for test samples" taken up [from shadi]
13:51:24 [Christophe]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process
13:52:45 [ChrisR]
SAZ: need to plug in tool for steps 2 and 3.
13:53:08 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Need to check for correct copyright notice.
13:53:43 [ChrisR]
CS: Should start entering a few test samples to check process.
13:54:37 [ChrisR]
SAZ: There were 3 test samples uploaded already.
13:55:05 [ChrisR]
SAZ: We should cross review the test samples.
13:55:46 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc2.5.1_l1_001.xml
13:55:55 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc2.5.1_l1_002.xml
13:56:03 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc2.5.1_l1_003.xml
13:57:10 [ChrisR]
CS: Already added links between location and techniques.
13:59:14 [ChrisR]
SAZ: volunters should take these test files and apply to steps 1,2 and 3 in process. (step 1 is already done)
13:59:32 [ChrisR]
CI: then post review to list?
14:00:13 [ChrisR]
SAZ: yes, this is what would be done using Wiki/Bugzilla but we don't have tool yet so use mailing list.
14:00:38 [ChrisR]
ACTION: CR will take test file 1
14:00:54 [ChrisR]
ACTION: CI will take test files 2 and 3.
14:02:06 [ChrisR]
SAZ: TCDL document has been updated.
14:04:14 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
14:05:10 [ChrisR]
ACTION: CS will make changes to TCDL usage document that reflect changes to TCDL (location/technique) and make public.
14:05:36 [Zakim]
-Chris
14:07:53 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
14:08:35 [Christophe]
zakim, [IP is really ChrisR
14:08:35 [Zakim]
+ChrisR; got it
14:09:06 [ChrisR]
SAZ: need to have WCAG and ERT to review TCDL status.
14:10:30 [ChrisR]
ACTION: SAZ will post status update to WCAG and ERT lists so those groups can review TCDL documents.
14:12:43 [ChrisR]
ACTION: MC will try to reserve an agendum item on WCAG call to describe progress of this group.
14:13:36 [ChrisR]
MC: Posting to mailing list may be missed so important to bring up on call.
14:14:34 [ChrisR]
MC: Will try to schedule agendum but SAZ or CS may make presentation.
14:14:56 [shadi]
zakim, close agendum 2
14:14:56 [Zakim]
agendum 2, Review of evaluation process for test samples, closed
14:14:58 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:14:59 [Zakim]
3. Templates for TCDL metadata [from shadi]
14:15:02 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 3
14:15:02 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Templates for TCDL metadata" taken up [from shadi]
14:15:18 [shadi]
http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/sc3.1.1_l1_001.xml
14:15:27 [shadi]
http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/scx.x.x_lx_xxx.xml
14:16:24 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Perhaps should be uploaded to CVS (currently on BenToWeb site)?
14:16:33 [ChrisR]
CS: sure, where?
14:17:48 [ChrisR]
SAZ: on root level of test samples repository
14:18:37 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Would like to see real example so prefer first sample (not one with 'xxx's).
14:19:19 [ChrisR]
CS: OK will use one with real Success Criteria.
14:20:08 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Would like to see more comments, especially at start of doc.
14:20:25 [ChrisR]
CS: Will update comments.
14:21:14 [ChrisR]
CS: Sample with 'xxx' has more comments and will move those over to other sample.
14:22:02 [ChrisR]
SAZ: (jumping back to review of samples) Can you post comments for next weeks call?
14:22:16 [ChrisR]
CI and CR: yes, should be ready by next week.
14:23:32 [Zakim]
-Cooper
14:23:33 [Zakim]
-Shadi
14:23:36 [Zakim]
-Christophe_Strobbe
14:23:37 [Zakim]
-ChrisR
14:23:38 [Zakim]
WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Cooper, Chris, CarlosI#, [IPcaller], ChrisR
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14:24:59 [shadi]
rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rssagent, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Christophe should check with people not on call regarding resolution. [1]
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T13-50-45
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: CR will take test file 1 [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-00-38
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ACTION: CI will take test files 2 and 3. [3]
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-00-54
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: CS will make changes to TCDL usage document that reflect changes to TCDL (location/technique) and make public. [4]
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-05-10
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: SAZ will post status update to WCAG and ERT lists so those groups can review TCDL documents. [5]
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-10-30
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ACTION: MC will try to reserve an agendum item on WCAG call to describe progress of this group. [6]
14:25:26 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-tsdtf-irc#T14-12-43