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15:58:45 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
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15:59:00 <RalphS> zakim, this will be swd
15:59:00 <Zakim> ok, RalphS, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
15:59:06 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:59:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tom_Baker, Michael_Hausenblas
15:59:25 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:59:36 <RalphS> zakim, Ben_Adida is with Ralph
15:59:36 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida; got it
15:59:54 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Dec/0049.html
16:00:18 <Zakim> +??P28
16:00:32 <Zakim> +JonP
16:00:34 <RalphS> zakim, ??p28 is Sean
16:00:34 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
16:01:12 <Bern> Bern has joined #swd
16:01:42 <Zakim> +CarlosI#
16:01:50 <berrueta> Zakim, CarlosI# is me
16:01:54 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
16:02:15 <Zakim> +Bern
16:02:42 <Zakim> +??P10
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16:03:52 <Zakim> +??P46
16:04:05 <RalphS> zakim, who's talking
16:04:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', RalphS
16:04:06 <RalphS> zakim, who's talking?
16:04:17 <Zakim> RalphS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Baker (64%), Michael_Hausenblas (21%), Ralph (30%), Sean (10%), ??P46 (4%)
16:04:18 <aliman> zakim, ??P46 is aliman
16:04:20 <Zakim> +aliman; got it
16:04:23 <RalphS> zakim, mute michael
16:04:23 <Zakim> Michael_Hausenblas should now be muted
16:04:38 <RalphS> zakim, unmute michael
16:04:38 <Zakim> Michael_Hausenblas should no longer be muted
16:05:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:05:25 <RalphS> zakim, ipcaller is DanBri
16:05:25 <Zakim> +DanBri; got it
16:06:55 <danbri> (call me "danbri", its easier and very precedented hereabouts...)
16:07:37 <aliman> I just sent tidied minutes.
16:07:54 <aliman> (Apologies for delay)
16:08:11 <TomB> scribenick: seanb
16:08:14 <seanb> scribenick: seanb
16:08:38 <seanb> Topic: Admin
16:09:05 <mhausenblas> +1
16:09:26 <seanb> TomB: Propose to accept minutes
16:09:31 <seanb> Daniel: Accepted
16:09:38 <seanb> Daniel: seconded
16:10:11 <seanb> ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:10:11 <seanb> ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:10:19 <seanb> -- continued
16:10:39 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
16:10:58 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
16:11:16 <seanb> Bern: Who's planning to attend?
16:11:33 <benadida> benadida has joined #SWD
16:11:50 <benadida> I'm on the phone with Ralph, but I have to leave shortly because of a conflicting meeting
16:11:53 <seanb> ralph: yes
16:11:56 <seanb> alistair: yes
16:11:59 <seanb> ben: yes
16:12:03 <seanb> bernard: yes
16:12:05 <seanb> diego: yes
16:12:10 <seanb> daniel: no
16:12:14 <seanb> jon: yes
16:12:22 <seanb> michael: no
16:12:25 <seanb> seanb: no
16:12:30 <seanb> guus: yes
16:12:43 <seanb> tom: no
16:12:47 <aliman> danbri will you be at f2f in Jan?
16:13:05 <seanb> danbri: unlikely
16:13:40 <seanb> TomB: rough home page for wiki. 
16:14:41 <seanb> ACTION: guus and ralph to look at structure of SWD home page and wiki home page to make sure access is easy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action07]
16:14:43 <seanb> --done
16:15:20 <seanb> ralph: talked with Sandro. Less optimistic that tools for Rules WG will
16:15:36 <seanb> ...be easily adopted unless we follow the same patterns of use. Not well documented.
16:16:04 <seanb> ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools [recorded [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:16:06 <seanb> --done
16:16:20 <seanb> Topic: SKOS Requirements
16:16:25 <seanb> ACTION: Alistair to prepare issues list for January meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06]
16:16:28 <seanb> --continues
16:16:45 <seanb> ACTION: sean to submit SKOS and rules issue using agreed issue format, directly into issues wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
16:16:49 <seanb> --continues
16:16:59 <seanb> seanb: is there a page?
16:17:14 <seanb> jon: probably not yet. WIll put one in there.
16:18:20 <seanb> seanb: format from OWL, but the page is missing.
16:18:38 <seanb> ACTION: Jon to create an issues page on the wiki
16:18:56 <seanb> TomB: Comments on use case collection?
16:19:05 <seanb> Jon: Received a few use cases.
16:19:12 <seanb> ...four maybe? 
16:19:25 <seanb> Daniel: From whom? Has enst to a few people.
16:19:33 <seanb> Jon: Everything recceived has been copied to the list
16:19:41 <seanb> Daniel: Posting what you receive?
16:19:45 <seanb> Jon: After the meeting
16:19:57 <seanb> ...page for each one with a link to a siummary page on the wiki,
16:20:10 <seanb> Daniel: What's the deadline? COntacted users,
16:20:31 <seanb> ...if they don't reply will do it for them. Problems of gettting people to fill out questionnaires
16:21:04 <seanb> ...if Jan 14th comes, without use cases, what happens? DO we fill them out ourselves
16:21:12 <seanb> Alistair: ok for me.
16:21:29 <seanb> ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action07]
16:21:31 <seanb> --continues
16:21:57 <seanb> email from Elisa regarding status of this
16:22:09 <seanb> Topic: 3. OTHER DELIVERABLES
16:22:17 <RalphS> zakim, ralph no longer has ben
16:22:18 <Zakim> ben was not listed in Ralph, RalphS
16:22:19 <Zakim> -ben; got it
16:22:24 <seanb> TomB: comment on other telecon?
16:22:24 <RalphS> zakim, ralph no longer has ben_adida
16:22:24 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida; got it
16:22:51 <seanb> Michael: discussion about use cases. Discussed which use cases might be
16:23:06 <seanb> ...useful or extended. E.g. example from Mark with chemical science or multilingual
16:23:41 <seanb> ...looks like we're moving along. Next time deeper look at use cases. Please feel free
16:23:47 <seanb> ...to add use cases for RDFa
16:24:06 <seanb> ACTION: guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08]
16:24:10 <seanb> --continues
16:24:30 <seanb> ACTION: guus/tomb to put item on f2f agenda to make publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09]
16:24:38 <seanb> --continues
16:24:56 <seanb> TomB: Recipes deliverable. Any comments?
16:25:04 <aliman> q+ to say about testing recipes
16:25:19 <seanb> Jon: Set up a preliminary issues page including those forwarded from Best 
16:25:33 <danbri> q+ to note I semi-used it for FOAF ns, .... would be happy to take an action to send feedback
16:25:42 <seanb> ...Practices. Diego pointed out some issues in recent email. 
16:25:48 <seanb> ...also unit tests (very useful)
16:26:08 <seanb> Alistair: excited when Diego said he'd written unit tests. Exactly what's needed here.
16:26:23 <seanb> ...would be great to plan to accompany document with online validation service.
16:26:24 <RalphS> Regrets: Antoine, Elisa
16:26:46 <seanb> ...asking if diego will make code available. 
16:26:59 <seanb> ??: What's the W3C poliocy about hosting something like that?
16:27:12 <seanb> Ralph: No clear policy. Different precedents for different tests.
16:27:58 <seanb> DanBri: Used a version of the configuration from the document, but
16:28:07 <seanb> ..had to change it slightly. 
16:28:10 <aliman> danbri said: recently migrated foaf spec to new server, used a variation of one of recipes in document (but slightly adapted)
16:28:24 <aliman> s/foaf spec/foaf vocab/
16:28:25 <seanb> ACTION: DanBri to send a report on the configuration he used to the list
16:28:45 <seanb> TomB; Principles for managing. No lead editor.
16:29:05 <seanb> ...call to SW list. See if anyone comes along who might be
16:29:30 <seanb> ...willing to pick it up.
16:29:36 <seanb> Topic: AOB
16:29:44 <seanb> no items.
16:29:53 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
16:29:55 <Zakim> -Daniel
16:29:55 <seanb> meeting adjourned
16:29:57 <Zakim> -aliman
16:29:58 <Zakim> -Bern
16:30:01 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:30:02 <Zakim> -JonP
16:30:03 <Zakim> -DanBri
16:30:06 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:30:22 <seanb> rssagent, please draft minutes
16:30:24 <TomB> RalphS, you are no longer on zakim?
16:31:03 <RalphS> I can dial back in
16:31:12 <dlrubin> dlrubin has left #swd
16:31:23 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:31:26 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:31:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html seanb
16:31:52 <RalphS> zakim, list attendees
16:31:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tom_Baker, Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben_Adida, JonP, Sean, berrueta, Bern, Daniel, aliman, DanBri, Guus_Schreiber
16:32:08 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:32:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html seanb
16:32:31 <RalphS> Meeting: SWD WG
16:32:38 <RalphS> Chair: Tom
16:32:55 <seanb> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:32:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html seanb
16:34:53 <Zakim> -Sean
16:40:13 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:40:19 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker
16:40:21 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:40:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom_Baker, Michael_Hausenblas, Ralph, Ben_Adida, JonP, Sean, berrueta, Bern, Daniel, aliman, DanBri, Guus_Schreiber
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16:54:25 <guus> [sorry, i as stuck in a train]
17:13:20 <seanb> seanb has left #swd
18:25:47 <RalphS> zakim, bye
18:25:47 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swd
18:25:49 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-actions.rdf :
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [1]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-10-11
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [2]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-10-11-1
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus and ralph to look at structure of SWD home page and wiki home page to make sure access is easy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action07] [3]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-14-41
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools [recorded [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action01] [4]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-16-04
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to prepare issues list for January meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06] [5]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-16-25
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sean to submit SKOS and rules issue using agreed issue format, directly into issues wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04] [6]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-16-45
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jon to create an issues page on the wiki [7]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-18-38
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action07] [8]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-21-29
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08] [9]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-24-06
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus/tomb to put item on f2f agenda to make publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09] [10]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-24-30
18:25:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanBri to send a report on the configuration he used to the list [11]
18:25:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-irc#T16-28-25