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14:58:20 <Jonathan> Zakim, list conferences
14:58:20 <Zakim> I see Math_WG()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM active
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14:58:22 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM, DI_DIWG(dpf)10:00AM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM
14:58:34 <Jonathan> Zakim, this will be WSDL
14:58:34 <Zakim> ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:00:08 <Zakim> WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has now started
15:00:17 <Zakim> +??P3
15:00:26 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is me
15:00:26 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
15:03:47 <TonyR> zakim, who is making noise?
15:03:58 <Zakim> TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:05:57 <Jonathan> Yes, suppose so...
15:06:47 <Zakim> + +1.514.964.aaaa
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15:16:28 <Zakim> -TonyR
15:17:25 <Zakim> +??P25
15:17:36 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is ne
15:17:36 <Zakim> +ne; got it
15:17:40 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is me
15:17:40 <Zakim> sorry, TonyR, I do not recognize a party named '??'
15:17:46 <TonyR> zakim, ne is me
15:17:46 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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15:31:20 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Marsh
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15:32:38 <TomJ> can't access conference on zakim
15:32:39 <Zakim> +Allen_Brookes
15:33:12 <Zakim> -Allen_Brookes
15:33:42 <asir> can't access conference on Zakim
15:33:43 <Zakim> +Tom_Jordahl
15:33:57 <Zakim> +Allen_Brookes
15:34:52 <Zakim> +Asir_Vedamuthu
15:35:41 <TonyR> TOPIC: conference code is WSDL
15:35:51 <Jonathan> Zakim, aaaa is Arthur
15:35:51 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
15:36:35 <Zakim> +Canon
15:36:44 <TomJ> TomJ has changed the topic to: USe Zakim code "WSDL" to enter
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15:38:11 <youenn> Topic: approval of minutes
15:38:16 <youenn> minutes approved
15:38:26 <youenn> Topic: AI Review
15:39:57 <youenn> Topic: administrivia
15:40:22 <asir> q+
15:40:30 <youenn> Jonathan: arthur suggested to add canonicalization for WSDL1.1 component designators
15:42:30 <Jonathan> ack asir
15:42:34 <youenn> Arthur: If the WG agrees, we should recommend to add a canonicalization to be consistent with WSDL2.0
15:43:07 <youenn> Asir: we could open a formal issue to th WS-Policy WG ?
15:43:42 <youenn> Asir: I can open it.
15:44:04 <youenn> ACTION: Asir to open a WS-Policy issue and link it with CR80 
15:44:26 <youenn> Topic: MTOM Description
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15:46:14 <youenn> TOPIC: Issue 82
15:46:21 <Zakim> +Amelia_Lewis
15:46:50 <Jonathan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Nov/0135.html
15:48:13 <youenn> Jonathan: jason says that he would like to extend the rpc signature but agrees the suggestion is bad timing
15:48:51 <youenn> Jonathan: can we accept this response and leave the spec as it is?
15:49:28 <youenn> TomJ: we do not prevent what he wants, toolkits may modify the rpc signature
15:50:05 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:52:08 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR082 and mark it as accepted
15:52:26 <youenn> Topic: CR092
15:53:09 <Jonathan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Dec/0017.html
15:53:10 <youenn> Jonathan: CR092/CR092 is about soap usage that WSDL2.0/SOAP binding does not allow to describe
15:55:03 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:55:16 <youenn> Jonathan: I sent a partial list of soap1.2 functionalities that cannot be described with our soap1.2 binding
15:57:15 <youenn> Tom: we should say that the details element will contain an element, but may contain other stuff that is not described
15:57:26 <youenn> s/details/soap1.2 fault details/
15:58:05 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 2 minutes; all ports must be freed
15:58:33 <youenn> Jonathan: proposal is to add the list of SOAP functionalities that cannot be described and add tom comment
15:59:05 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 1 minute; all ports must be freed
15:59:13 <youenn> Jonathan: can we close these two issues with this resolution ?
16:00:03 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR92 and CR93 according proposal
16:00:06 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end now; all ports must be freed immediately
16:00:08 <Zakim> The time reserved for this conference has been exceeded. 10 ports must be freed
16:00:09 <Zakim> -Tom_Jordahl
16:00:10 <Zakim> -Amelia_Lewis
16:00:11 <Zakim> -Canon
16:00:12 <Zakim> -Arthur
16:00:14 <Zakim> -TonyR
16:00:15 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
16:00:16 <Zakim> -Asir_Vedamuthu
16:00:18 <Zakim> -Allen_Brookes
16:00:19 <Zakim> WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended
16:00:20 <Jonathan> zakim, this will be WSDWG
16:00:21 <Zakim> Attendees were TonyR, +1.514.964.aaaa, Jonathan_Marsh, Allen_Brookes, Tom_Jordahl, Asir_Vedamuthu, Arthur, Canon, Amelia_Lewis
16:00:26 <Zakim> ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
16:01:02 <Jonathan> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:01:04 <Zakim> apparently WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended, Jonathan
16:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see alewis, youenn, asir, TomJ, Allen, Arthur, TonyR, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jonathan
16:01:22 <Jonathan> zakim, this will be WSDWG
16:01:22 <Zakim> ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
16:01:30 <Jonathan> zakim, code?
16:01:30 <Zakim> the conference code is 97394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), Jonathan
16:01:42 <Jonathan> zakim, bye
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16:01:48 <TomJ> TomJ has changed the topic to: If you are ust getting here, you are 30 minutes late!
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16:01:59 <Jonathan> zakim, this will be wsdwg
16:02:01 <Zakim> ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
16:02:18 <TonyR> zakim, this is wsdwg
16:02:20 <Zakim> ok, TonyR; that matches WS_DescWG()11:00AM
16:02:35 <Zakim> +Arthur
16:02:40 <TonyR> zakim, ??p36 is me
16:02:41 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
16:02:58 <TonyR> zakim, who is making noise?
16:02:58 <Jonathan> zakim, who's making noise
16:02:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', Jonathan
16:03:02 <TonyR> zakim, who is making noise?
16:03:08 <Zakim> TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Jordahl (49%), Allen_Brookes (41%), Arthur (14%)
16:03:20 <Zakim> TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Allen_Brookes (49%), Jonathan_Marsh (4%), TonyR (25%), Arthur (34%)
16:04:29 <youenn> Topic: Assertions that are not assertions
16:05:10 <TonyR> zakim, who is making noise?
16:05:21 <Zakim> TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Allen_Brookes (41%), Jonathan_Marsh (34%)
16:05:32 <TonyR> zakim, please mute Allen
16:05:32 <Zakim> Allen_Brookes should now be muted
16:06:16 <youenn> Jonathan: CR096 seems editorial
16:06:44 <youenn> Arthur: I will check the source and let's move on
16:09:30 <youenn> Jonathan: issue CR095 is about wsoap:header@element. Being of type QName, it prevents the #any value
16:09:39 <youenn> ... Why should we allow it?
16:10:07 <youenn> Jonathan: proposal is #any is not allowed as it has not a clear value
16:10:13 <Arthur> q+
16:10:19 <Jonathan> ack arthur
16:10:21 <youenn> s/value/utility/
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16:10:42 <asir> +1 Jonathan's suggestion
16:10:48 <youenn> Arthur: It seems that we are not generating message assertions. We need another assertion table
16:11:23 <youenn> Arthur: we could also have one assertion table, with a "assertion type" column
16:12:17 <Zakim> +m2
16:12:51 <youenn> Arthur: as a quick fix, I will add another table but I prefer to have one unique table that combines all current tables
16:13:32 <youenn> Jonathan: arthur proposal for CR094 is to add another assertion table
16:13:55 <youenn> RESOLUTION: CR094 closed with arthur proposal
16:14:04 <youenn> back to CR095
16:14:30 <youenn> Jonathan: #any is a no op. 
16:14:52 <youenn> RESOLUTION: CR095 is closed with no action, jonathan to answer to ram
16:15:02 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:15:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roberto, Tom_Jordahl, Amelia_Lewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Allen_Brookes (muted), Asir_Vedamuthu, Canon, TonyR, Arthur, m2
16:16:40 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR096 by removing the cited assertion
16:17:01 <youenn> Issue CR097
16:17:22 <youenn> Jonathan: it seems that this assertion is redundant with schema checks
16:19:39 <youenn> Jonathan: the order of the desc. children is not captured by the schema. This assertion is about the order.
16:20:13 <youenn> Roberto: we come up with this schema, looser than expected because of non determinism issues
16:20:47 <youenn> Jonathan: proposal is close with no action
16:21:10 <youenn> RESOLUTION: Close CR097 with no action
16:21:15 <youenn> Issue CR098
16:21:25 <youenn> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR098
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16:22:00 <Jonathan> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#Types-1300002
16:22:24 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz
16:22:55 <youenn> Jonathan: Is the cited assertion already covered by other assertions, as suggested?
16:23:55 <youenn> ACTION: Arthur to look at CR098
16:24:26 <youenn> Issue CR099
16:25:01 <youenn> Jonathan: similar to CR098
16:25:13 <youenn> ACTION: Arthur to look at CR099
16:25:22 <youenn> Issue CR100
16:26:57 <youenn> Jonathan: Import-0001 and Import-0070 seem to adress the same thing, unless any subtlety
16:28:43 <youenn> Arthur: we should leave the text and retain only the first assertion.
16:29:17 <youenn> s/the first assertion/one of the two assertions/
16:30:28 <youenn> RESOLUTION: Close CR100 by dropping Import-0001 assertion (but leaving the text)
16:30:31 <Arthur> I just committed the fix to CR094
16:30:42 <youenn> Issue CR101
16:31:46 <youenn> Jonathan: The three assertions seem redundant
16:36:01 <youenn> Proposal is to keep the assertion in section 121900 and remove the other assertions
16:36:19 <youenn> RESOLUTION: Close CR101 according this proposal
16:36:29 <youenn> Issue CR102
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16:37:17 <youenn> Arthur: we should rewrite this assertion and remove the use of "imported components"
16:37:43 <youenn> ... we want to say that we import a namespace.
16:37:47 <Zakim> -Roberto
16:37:57 <Zakim> + +1.650.786.aaaa
16:38:59 <youenn> Arthur: proposal is to rewrite Import-0003 sentence and remove this assertion
16:39:16 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR102 according proposal
16:39:23 <youenn> Issue CR103
16:40:42 <youenn> Tony: the second assertion is not complete. We should remove the second assertion and fix the wording.
16:41:45 <youenn> Jonathan: do we want to remove the sentence or improve it?
16:48:17 <youenn> Jonathan: the proposal is to take the last sentence of the section 3.1.1.2 and move it to section 3.1.2
16:49:06 <Jonathan> reword = reference Schema-0016
16:49:12 <youenn> ... in addition, remove the assertion Types-1300001 and rewording it to add a reference to Schema-0016 
16:51:03 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR103 according proposal
16:51:10 <youenn> Issue CR104
16:55:16 <youenn> RESOLUTION: Close Issue CR104 and remove Description-0024
16:55:23 <youenn> Issue CR105
17:00:59 <Zakim> -Allen_Brookes
17:02:34 <youenn> Jonathan: proposal is to remove assertion markup from 1204002
17:02:48 <Zakim> -Arthur
17:03:05 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR105 by dropping InterfaceOperation-1204002
17:03:16 <youenn> Issue CR106
17:03:38 <youenn> Jonathan: drop InterfaceOperation-1204003
17:03:58 <youenn> RESOLUTION: Close CR106 by dropping InterfaceOperation-1204003
17:04:04 <youenn> Issue CR107
17:06:11 <youenn> Roberto: we could test the case of two styles that are contradictory
17:06:23 <youenn> Jonathan: but we rely on something external
17:10:56 <youenn> Jonathan: proposal is to close CR107 with no action and add a test case
17:13:45 <youenn> RESOLUTION: close CR107 with no action
17:13:56 <youenn> Issue CR108
17:19:18 <Roberto> 14: !unique => present <=> ! ! absent
17:19:24 <Roberto> 6: ! absent => unique
17:19:38 <Roberto> so they are logically equivalent, no?
17:20:37 <Roberto> oops, I mixed up the 14/6 labels
17:21:57 <Roberto> the first one I wrote is 6, the second one 14
17:22:52 <Roberto> I'd assert that they are equivalent and 6 should be removed, as it is the most poorly worded of the two
17:27:19 <Zakim> -Roberto
17:28:38 <youenn> ACTION: Amy to write a proposal for CR108
17:29:18 <Zakim> -Canon
17:29:20 <Zakim> -Gilbert_Pilz
17:29:21 <Zakim> -Tom_Jordahl
17:29:22 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
17:29:24 <Zakim> -Asir_Vedamuthu
17:29:25 <Zakim> -m2
17:29:26 <Zakim> -TonyR
17:29:27 <Zakim> -Amelia_Lewis
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17:29:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Roberto, Tom_Jordahl, Amelia_Lewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Allen_Brookes, Asir_Vedamuthu, Canon, Arthur, TonyR, m2, Gilbert_Pilz, +1.650.786.aaaa
17:29:34 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:29:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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17:29:51 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, set log world
17:29:53 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:29:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
17:30:22 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:30:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
17:30:37 <Jonathan> Meeting: WS Description WG
17:30:45 <Jonathan> Chair: Jonathan
17:31:20 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:31:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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