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14:59:10 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:59:13 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:59:17 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
15:00:11 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0043.html
15:00:16 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
15:00:24 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
15:00:24 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
15:00:25 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
15:00:27 <Zakim> +Felix
15:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.303.962.aaaa
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15:02:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:26 <Zakim> +??P18
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15:05:04 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
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15:05:38 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:05:45 <fsasaki> action:  Sebastian to create a big test file for the ITS test suite (>1 MB) to test the implementation efficiency of namespace binding(s) (DONE)
15:06:57 <fsasaki> Sebastian: it does not test very much, only has translate yes / no
15:07:54 <fsasaki> Felix: should we have pointer attributes in the big file?
15:08:52 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category information into the huge test file
15:09:35 <fsasaki> topic: CR phase: current state
15:11:32 <fsasaki> Felix: we could request PR maybe in December, but I'd say first half of January is o.k. too
15:11:51 <fsasaki> Sebastian: is the namespace issue resolved? Can I change my implementation like that?
15:12:06 <fsasaki> Andrzej: I have to check with my team
15:12:46 <fsasaki> Yves: I work with Dom, like you do, so there should be no problem, I can tell you how it works
15:13:19 <AZ> <its:rules its:version="1.0" xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
15:14:20 <fsasaki> (test data discussion)
15:14:31 <AZ>    <its:ns prefix="table" uri="http://openoffice.org/2000/table"/>
15:14:50 <AZ>    <its:ns prefix="number" uri="http://openoffice.org/2000/datastyle"/>
15:15:04 <fsasaki> Andrzej: example is from OpenOffice ITS rules file
15:15:04 <AZ>    <its:translateRule selector="//chart:axis" translate="yes"/>
15:15:51 <fsasaki> Yves: you need to use the xmlns attributes instead of the <its:ns> element
15:16:49 <fsasaki> action: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead
15:17:07 <fsasaki> topic: on output format
15:17:14 <fsasaki> Sebastian: is the output type optional?
15:17:48 <fsasaki> .. at the moment it would be complicated to support the output type
15:18:15 <fsasaki> Felix: No need to have that information
15:18:53 <fsasaki> Yves: o.k., output type is optional
15:19:07 <fsasaki> Sebastian: we need a script to compare the results
15:19:22 <fsasaki> action: Felix to write a script which compares the results
15:19:35 <fsasaki> Sebastian: can the output of nodes be different?
15:19:53 <fsasaki> .. i.e. the order of nodes? I guess not
15:21:23 <fsasaki> topic: getting rid of ns element?
15:22:05 <fsasaki> Sebastian: could we have both the ns elements and xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately?
15:23:04 <fsasaki> Action: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately
15:24:03 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
15:24:23 <fsasaki> Sebastian: test result page: Do we need success in each cell?
15:24:49 <fsasaki> Felix: we need success in two columns for each row
15:26:17 <fsasaki> topic: Inheritence and Override
15:27:12 <fsasaki> Yves: I thought lately that a local rule would override everything, also what is selected by a global rule directly
15:27:24 <fsasaki> .. Felix pointed out that CSS does the same as ITS currently
15:27:39 <fsasaki> Sebastian: two questions: is the interpretation correct, and is it clear in the spec?
15:27:54 <fsasaki> Yves: agree. It is not clear in the spec currently
15:28:11 <fsasaki> Yves: we also have no sample which addresses the issue
15:28:34 <fsasaki> Andrzej: we define every element explicitely
15:28:54 <fsasaki> .. we stipulate for every element what information applies for it
15:29:09 <fsasaki> .. we don't reply on inheritance
15:29:17 <fsasaki> Yves: you put labels to the tree?
15:29:22 <fsasaki> Andrzej: right
15:30:19 <fsasaki> Yves makes an example for a global rule that selects s.t. inside a locally specified element, e.g. locally <p>, globally <b>
15:30:52 <fsasaki> Yves: would the <b> inside <p> be overriden by the local <p> ?
15:30:55 <fsasaki> Andrzej: no
15:31:17 <fsasaki> action: Yves to make an inheritance example for Andrzej and send it to him
15:31:36 <fsasaki> s/inheritance/inheritance & overriding/
15:32:03 <fsasaki> s/send it to him/send it to him, both verify that inheritance works the right way/
15:32:33 <fsasaki> Sebastian: I don't see an alternative to having inheritance as a "second stage" thing
15:33:12 <fsasaki> topic: full xpath in selectors
15:33:17 <fsasaki> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0044.html
15:36:15 <fsasaki> Sebastian: should we have a subset of XPath in XSLT? 
15:36:21 <fsasaki> Felix: hard to test, maybe
15:39:24 <fsasaki> Yves: how about having this as a best practice?
15:39:59 <fsasaki> Sebastian: if the rule is simple and easy to understand we could just add it
15:40:43 <fsasaki> Felix: should this be a note or normative text? 
15:40:58 <fsasaki> Sebastian: depends on how complex this his
15:41:28 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#NT-Pattern
15:42:29 <fsasaki> action: Felix to explain what axes are possible with the XSLT pattern used in the match attributes
15:43:23 <fsasaki> topic: f2f next year
15:46:33 <fsasaki> Yves: if you have ideas, please propose them
15:46:46 <fsasaki> topic: ITS talks
15:47:03 <fsasaki> Yves: thanks to Christian to the talk at TEKOM
15:47:40 <fsasaki> Christian: thanks, the talks made clear that ITS is known, people are waiting for commercial tools
15:47:46 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
15:47:58 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:48:01 <Zakim> -Yves
15:48:02 <Zakim> -Felix
15:48:03 <Zakim> -Christian
15:48:04 <Zakim> -Andrzej
15:48:05 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:48:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.303.962.aaaa, Yves, [IPcaller], Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz
15:48:25 <fsasaki> present: Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
15:48:33 <fsasaki> regrets: Richard
15:48:37 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:48:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:50:51 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:50:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:51:36 <fsasaki> x
15:51:38 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:51:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:53:55 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
15:53:57 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:53:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
16:46:38 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-actions.rdf :
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian to create a big test file for the ITS test suite (>1 MB) to test the implementation efficiency of namespace binding(s) (DONE) [1]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-05-45
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian to insert some pointer-like data category information into the huge test file [2]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-08-52
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andrzej to check if his implementation works with without the <ns> element, using xmlns instead [3]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-16-49
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to write a script which compares the results [4]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-19-22
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to make sure to have both the ns elements and xmlns attributes in the test files, intermediately [5]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-23-04
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to make an inheritance example for Andrzej and send it to him [6]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-31-17
16:46:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to explain what axes are possible with the XSLT pattern used in the match attributes [7]
16:46:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-i18nits-irc#T15-42-29
16:46:40 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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