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15:58:17 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 6 Dec http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:58:20 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:58:20 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
15:58:21 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-12-06T11:00-0500
15:58:22 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:58:23 <Zakim> agenda+ Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents
15:58:25 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:58:26 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-output-formats] [DONE?] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
15:58:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:58:30 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL and (non-XML) HTML
15:58:31 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:58:33 <Zakim> agenda+ Cross-document Introduction
15:58:34 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:58:35 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-mt-ns]
15:58:36 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:58:38 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-base-param]
15:58:40 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
15:58:42 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer Document
15:58:44 <Zakim> agendum 8 added
15:58:46 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: General issues
15:58:48 <Zakim> agendum 9 added
15:58:50 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
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16:01:06 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started
16:01:08 <Zakim> +DanC
16:01:25 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
16:01:29 <Zakim> -[Sophia]
16:01:31 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
16:01:38 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
16:01:41 <FabienG> zakim, [Sophia] is FabienG
16:01:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-12-06T11:00-0500" taken up
16:01:49 <Zakim> +FabienG; got it
16:01:50 <Zakim> +??P17
16:01:59 <bwm> Zakim, ??p17
16:01:59 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p17', bwm
16:02:03 <bwm> Zakim, ??p17 is bwm
16:02:03 <Zakim> +bwm; got it
16:02:16 <DanC> Regrets: Chime, danja
16:03:12 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 4
16:03:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "GRDDL and (non-XML) HTML" taken up
16:03:48 <Zakim> + +1.919.457.aaaa
16:04:22 <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is HarryH
16:04:22 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
16:07:19 <DanC> ACTION: Fabien to add a sentence about non-XML HTML in the Use Case document [DONE]
16:07:40 <DanC> DanC: I'd like to actually have a tidy use case, with caveats
16:07:56 <DanC> ACTION:  Fabien to add a tidy/tag-soup use case/paragraph, with caveats
16:09:19 <DanC> FG: how to say it?
16:09:29 <DanC> DanC: we don't have to write a formal spec; just a story...
16:09:49 <DanC> ... one guy forgot a / in his <br />; it worked; for another guy, it didn't work
16:10:02 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:10:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, FabienG, bwm, HarryH
16:10:19 <DanC> Regrets: Chime, danja, Murray
16:10:45 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
16:10:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-12-06T11:00-0500" taken up
16:11:05 <DanC> RESOLVED: to approve minutes 22 Nov http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/att-0096/22-grddl-wg-minutes.html
16:11:22 <DanC> DanC: regrets 13 Dec due to TAG meeting
16:12:00 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again 13 Dec; Brian M to scribe
16:12:15 <DanC> Zakim, close item 1
16:12:15 <Zakim> agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-12-06T11:00-0500, closed
16:12:16 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:12:17 <Zakim> 2. Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents
16:12:20 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:12:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up
16:12:49 <DanC> ACTION Chime: to verify http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#projectsSpreadsheet
16:12:51 <DanC> -- done
16:12:54 <DanC> DanC: see http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2006-11-30.html#T03-25-10
16:15:07 <DanC> DanC: I suggest discussion of title_author isn't done
16:15:13 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
16:15:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "[#issue-output-formats] [DONE?] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
16:15:48 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 2
16:15:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up
16:16:55 <DanC> PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#rdfa1 (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/rdf_sem.html http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/rdf_sem-output.rdf )
16:17:43 <DanC> lack of critical mass.
16:18:09 <DanC> ACTION bwm: review testlist1#rdfa1
16:18:50 <DanC> Chime http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Dec/0005.html
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16:19:54 <DanC> ACTION HH: respond to Chime, clarifying song/album and discussing bNode vs URI
16:20:03 <FabienG> q+ to ask aboout a teste case with SAWSDL
16:20:07 <DanC> ack FabienG 
16:20:07 <Zakim> FabienG, you wanted to ask aboout a teste case with SAWSDL
16:21:17 <DanC> DanC: a SAWSDL test case sounds great; then we can look at whether it merits screenspace as a use case
16:21:25 <DanC> HH: status of SAWSDL?
16:21:28 <DanC> FG: last call WD
16:21:32 <DanC> ... since 28 Sep
16:21:56 <DanC> ACTION FG: make a SAWSDL test sketch
16:22:21 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:22:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "[#issue-output-formats] [DONE?] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
16:22:59 <bwm> danc: there is an atomOwl testcase
16:23:14 <bwm> ... it requires taking text and inferring its n3
16:23:20 <bwm> ... would be cleaner to use a mime type
16:23:23 <bwm> ... but there isn't one
16:23:39 <bwm> ... tim is encouraging us to use the mime type on the assumption it will be registered
16:23:50 <bwm> ... that may be a good idea
16:23:56 <bwm> ... not sure we can approve the test case
16:24:07 <bwm> ... issue of whether the xslt case is suffciently well specified
16:25:41 <bwm> brian: what about other scripting languages
16:26:32 <Zakim> +Ian_Davis
16:27:07 <DanC> FabienG is excused
16:27:09 <bwm> ... we could output a wrapper
16:27:15 <bwm> danc: that doesn't help with the motivating use cases
16:27:17 <Zakim> -FabienG
16:27:19 <bwm> brian: ok
16:36:54 <DanC> PROPOSED: to resolve issue-output-formats by (1) adding formal rules to cover the case of of the XSLT 1.0 and RDF/XML (2) to allow other output formats as exemplified by the Atom/turtle test case
16:41:05 <DanC> RESOLVED.
16:42:14 <DanC> ACTION DanC: add N3/turtle mime type to Atom/turtle test case.
16:42:41 <DanC> ... noting the unregistered status
16:43:43 <DanC> Ian: anybody know of N3 registration status?
16:43:57 <DanC> DanC: it's been discussed recently in a W3C/IETF telcon; tim sorta has the ball
16:44:02 <DanC> HH: we could push that in the CG
16:44:19 <DanC> ACTION HH: poke semweb cg re N3 media type registration
16:44:22 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:44:22 <Zakim> agendum 4. "GRDDL and (non-XML) HTML" taken up
16:44:33 <DanC> Zakim, close item 4
16:44:33 <Zakim> agendum 4, GRDDL and (non-XML) HTML, closed
16:44:34 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:44:35 <Zakim> 5. Cross-document Introduction
16:44:35 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:44:35 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Cross-document Introduction" taken up
16:44:51 <DanC> ACTION: bwm to have a closer look at the Stephen King Example in the spec. [DONE]
16:45:15 <DanC> HH: Happy with the new MusicBrainz example?
16:45:52 <DanC> BWM: Hendrix the person vs the experience?
16:45:58 <DanC> DanC: it's a group with 3 people
16:48:07 <DanC> ACTION: Danja to suggest wording changes in light of recent comment on cross-document introduction
16:48:09 <DanC> -- withdrawn
16:48:20 <DanC> ACTION Ian: reconsider comments on cross-document introduction
16:48:25 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:48:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
16:48:33 <DanC> ACTION: Murray to write up the pros and cons of different approaches: [DONE] 
16:48:40 <DanC> ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0127.html
16:52:30 <DanC> ACTION HH: integrate Murray's XInclude test case sketch into the test collection
16:53:15 <DanC> BWM: imagine d.xml -> t.xslt ; t.xslt produes { a b c. d e f. } regardless of input...
16:53:30 <DanC> ... is { a b c } a grddl result?
16:53:45 <DanC> DanC: no, not per current editor's draft
16:54:30 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:54:30 <Zakim> agendum 7. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
16:55:43 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0137.html Issue-base-param: do we need the parameter? McBride, Brian (Thursday, 30 November)
16:55:48 <DanC> BWM: is this approach OK?
16:55:52 <DanC> HH: sounds good
16:56:08 <DanC> ACTION BWM: produce ~3 test cases for #issue-base-param
16:56:13 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:56:14 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Primer Document" taken up
16:56:46 <DanC> ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data. [CONTINUES]
16:56:55 <DanC> HH: I have done all but check the stuff in
16:57:03 <DanC> HH: I need to double-check the SPARQL queries
16:57:40 <DanC> DanC: I've thought about taking the primer examples and putting them in the test suite...
16:57:50 <DanC> ACTION IanD: integrate primer examples into test suite
16:58:13 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:58:13 <Zakim> agendum 9. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
16:59:00 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:59:40 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec. 
16:59:43 <DanC> -- done
16:59:48 <DanC> see http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec_lean
17:00:09 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec.
17:00:26 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#implExp
17:04:01 <DanC> DanC: RDFa timing is tricky
17:04:22 <DanC> ... http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-html-nsdoc is new
17:05:17 <DanC> ACTION DanC: write rules about XSLT 1.0 processing context
17:05:45 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:05:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, bwm, Ian_Davis
17:06:14 <DanC> Topic: Schedule Pondering
17:09:16 <DanC> IanD: a month slip is comfortable-ish, but let's not slip into "spring"
17:10:19 <DanC> Brian: GRDDL is important, so I can probably stick around for a while...
17:10:28 <DanC> ... yeah... sending some "done" signal at WWW2007 in May
17:13:51 <Zakim> -bwm
17:13:52 <Zakim> -DanC
17:13:54 <Zakim> -Ian_Davis
17:13:56 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
17:13:57 <Zakim> Attendees were DanC, FabienG, bwm, +1.919.457.aaaa, HarryH, Ian_Davis
17:14:35 <DanC> DanC: [post-script-ish] so last call in Dec/Jan, and PR before May sounds about right.
17:14:50 <DanC> ... if the 1st last call wins, we could even get REC before May.
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