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14:55:10 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core Working Group
14:55:13 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
14:55:20 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:55:24 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:55:31 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
14:59:40 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:59:46 <Zakim> + +1.416.461.aaaa
15:00:37 <Zakim> +Felix
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15:01:37 <fyergeau> Hi Felix
15:01:56 <Zakim> +??P17
15:02:04 <fyergeau> zakim, ? is fyergeau
15:02:04 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
15:09:25 <fsasaki> action: Felix to gather pointers for Michael about W3C in general and i18n specific stuff (including ws i18n)
15:09:40 <fsasaki> topic: Michael - self introduction
15:10:25 <fsasaki> Michael: interested in i18n in general and ws-i18n in specific . New to W3C WGs
15:11:06 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:11:26 <fsasaki> action Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) (DONE)
15:11:35 <fsasaki> action: Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) (DONE)
15:11:55 <fsasaki> action: Francois to review InkML LC draft (PENDING)
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15:13:12 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews
15:14:19 <fsasaki> action: Richard to find out what is the canonical URI for BCP47 (ONGOING)
15:14:27 <fsasaki> see thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0015.html
15:15:44 <fyergeau> http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nLTLI
15:15:44 <fsasaki> action: Felix to to classify open LTLI issues (PENDING)
15:17:20 <fsasaki> Felix: would use the wiki to collect topics, but text creation directly in the draft
15:17:51 <fsasaki> ACTION: All to read Marks comments on IDNA issues (PENDING)
15:18:32 <fsasaki> thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Oct/0012.html
15:19:15 <fsasaki> comments from Mark and Martin are available
15:20:34 <fsasaki> s/Mark and//
15:20:44 <fsasaki> s/Marks comments/Martins comments/
15:21:31 <fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list
15:21:46 <fsasaki> Heard nothing from Chris Lilley
15:22:38 <fsasaki> Francois: the last mail on the topic was from Martin, we are waiting for Chris
15:22:48 <fsasaki> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
15:23:02 <fsasaki> ACTION: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary (ONGOING)
15:23:12 <fsasaki> Francois: started editing this morning
15:23:19 <fsasaki>  ACTION: Francois to reply to Schema WG on normalization issue (DONE)
15:23:41 <fsasaki> topic: idna issue update
15:23:47 <fsasaki> postponed until next week
15:23:55 <fsasaki> topic: time Ontology comments
15:24:19 <fsasaki> reply from Semantic web WG at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0017.html
15:26:09 <fsasaki> Francois: can be fixed when entered in a time line in the ontology
15:29:39 <fsasaki> .. as they say. We did not have a specific suggestion to solve the problem
15:31:02 <fsasaki> Francois: people in semantic web should do the Olson ID conversion to RDF
15:31:12 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to the WG finally
15:31:25 <fsasaki> Felix: will mention olson ID again
15:31:38 <fsasaki> topic: Charmod C064 considered unclear
15:31:46 <fsasaki> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0017.html
15:32:07 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0013.html
15:32:27 <fsasaki> reply from Martin http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0018.html
15:34:23 <fsasaki> Francois: agree with Martin on that
15:34:51 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to Bjoern saying Martins mail is a WG answer
15:35:04 <fsasaki> topic: XQuery full-text search request for feedback
15:35:59 <fsasaki> original mail from Jim http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0012.html
15:36:23 <fsasaki> Felix reply at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0003.html
15:42:40 <fsasaki> Felix: the FTLanguage Option refers only to a language tag, hence I proposed to reference RFC 4646 and not BCP 47 as a whole
15:43:24 <fsasaki> "/book[@number="1"]//editor ftcontains "salon de the"
15:43:26 <fsasaki> with default stop words language "fr"
15:44:34 <fsasaki> Francois: the "fr" would match to the particular implementation options
15:44:39 <fsasaki> .. so we need matching
15:45:37 <fsasaki> Felix: agree, and ask for a note which explains that
15:46:02 <fsasaki> Francois: 3.2.6 says "It is implementation-defined what additional language identifiers, if any, are valid. "
15:46:39 <fsasaki> .. in BCP 47, they should start with "x" for non-BCP 47 identifiers. So: use BCP 47, there is room for private extensions
15:47:22 <fsasaki> .. in the reply, we should explain the BCP 47 role as RFC 3066 sucessor work, and there is another successor on the way
15:50:06 <fsasaki> Felix: on issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3740 : what should happen in the case of conflicts between xml:lang and the language option
15:50:49 <fsasaki> Francois: xml:lang should have precedence - so ask for a SHOULD, since not all implementations will have all languages available
15:52:28 <fsasaki> Michael: you search a Japanese document with a french option, they will just get no results, but maybe that's OK
15:52:55 <fsasaki> Francois: parsing rules are different for languages, e.g. no spaces in Japanese
15:53:28 <fsasaki> .. the implementation should obey xml:lang
15:53:39 <fsasaki> s/should/SHOULD/
15:53:51 <fsasaki> .. and say it is implementation-defined what languages they cover
15:56:20 <fsasaki> on issue 3698, see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/full-text/full-text.html#ftdiacriticsoption
15:58:13 <fsasaki> Felix describes the issue
15:58:37 <fsasaki> Felix: are there standardized options for diacritics in collations?
15:58:39 <fsasaki> Felix
15:58:45 <fsasaki> s/Felix/Francois: I'll have a look
15:59:36 <fsasaki> action: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations
15:59:55 <fsasaki> action: Felix to ask for an extension for CSS 2.1 review
16:00:01 <fsasaki> topic: LTLI
16:00:35 <fsasaki> Felix: will make a summary of the discussion and make editing related to that
16:00:50 <Zakim> -fyergeau
16:00:52 <Zakim> -Michael
16:00:56 <Zakim> -Felix
16:00:58 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
16:01:00 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.416.461.aaaa, Felix, fyergeau, Michael
16:01:10 <fsasaki> s/the discussion/the discussion at the architecture domain f2f/
16:01:56 <fsasaki> present: Felix, Francois, Michael
16:02:02 <fsasaki> regrets: Richard
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