14:26:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #dawg
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14:26:13 <kendallclark> zakim, this will be dawg
14:26:13 <Zakim> ok, kendallclark; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:27:29 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ bootup
14:27:29 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
14:27:34 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ action items
14:27:34 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
14:27:51 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda path's draft of entailment section
14:27:51 <Zakim> I don't understand you, kendallclark
14:27:57 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ path's draft of entailment section
14:27:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
14:28:13 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ comments list action: corby & polleres
14:28:13 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
14:29:32 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:29:39 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
14:29:40 <Zakim> Attendees were 
14:30:15 <kendallclark> wtf?
14:30:21 <kendallclark> zakim, this will be dawg
14:30:21 <Zakim> ok, kendallclark; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now
14:30:27 <patH> whoops, I might have done that. Sorry.
14:30:34 <kendallclark> s'ok
14:30:46 <kendallclark> zakim's a PITA
14:30:51 <patH> ;)
14:31:00 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:31:08 <Zakim> +Andy_Seaborne
14:31:18 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:31:31 <kendallclark> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:31:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andy_Seaborne, Kendall_Clark
14:31:43 <Zakim> + +7.470.03.aaaa
14:31:45 <kendallclark> zakim, please mute me
14:31:45 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should now be muted
14:31:52 <kendallclark> zakim, unmute me
14:31:52 <Zakim> Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
14:32:02 <Zakim> +PatH
14:32:09 <kendallclark> zakim, .aaaa is SimonR
14:32:09 <Zakim> sorry, kendallclark, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
14:32:13 <kendallclark> zakim, aaaa is SimonR
14:32:13 <Zakim> +SimonR; got it
14:32:15 <AndyS> Buzzing is me - I'll mute - I've tried dialing several times already
14:32:22 <kendallclark> AndyS: bummer
14:32:29 <kendallclark> if it weren't so loud i'd just ignore it :)
14:32:35 <Zakim> + +1.617.894.aabb
14:32:39 <SimonR> My first experiment with SIP to dial in....
14:32:40 <AndyS> It's when I use ATT calling.
14:32:47 <kendallclark> zakim, aabb is Zakim
14:32:47 <Zakim> +Zakim; got it
14:33:09 <kendallclark> zakim, aabb is LeeF
14:33:10 <Zakim> sorry, kendallclark, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:33:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:33:13 <jeen> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:33:14 <Zakim> +jeen; got it
14:33:16 <kendallclark> zakim, Zakim is LeeF
14:33:16 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
14:33:24 <kendallclark> zakim, who's on the phone
14:33:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', kendallclark
14:33:27 <kendallclark> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:33:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andy_Seaborne, Kendall_Clark, SimonR, PatH, LeeF, jeen
14:35:00 <kendallclark> Scribe: jeen
14:35:01 <AndyS> Scribe was to be EricP
14:35:04 <kendallclark> Chair: KendallC
14:35:24 <AndyS> ==> <AndyS> Meet next time - one week's time - Eric to scribe
14:35:30 <kendallclark> Attendees: AndyS, KendallC, SimonR, PatH, LeeF, JeenB
14:36:12 <AndyS> Agenda looks fine to me
14:36:26 <kendallclark> zakim, take up item 0
14:36:26 <Zakim> agendum 0. "comments list action: corby & polleres" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:36:48 <AndyS> I'm available.
14:37:27 <kendallclark> zakim, please pick a scribe
14:37:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SimonR
14:37:44 <kendallclark> zakim, please pick a scribe
14:37:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Andy_Seaborne
14:38:32 <kendallclark> PROPOSED to meet next 12 Dec, KendallC chairing, some unlucky sap to scribe
14:38:41 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agedum
14:38:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up next agedum', kendallclark
14:38:45 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:38:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "bootup" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:38:59 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:38:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, kendallclark
14:39:05 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:39:05 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, kendallclark
14:39:10 <kendallclark> zakim, close agendum 1
14:39:10 <Zakim> agendum 1, bootup, closed
14:39:11 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:12 <Zakim> 2. action items [from kendallclark]
14:39:15 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:39:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:39:49 <kendallclark> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/att-0175/28-dawg-minutes.html
14:40:03 <kendallclark> APPROVED minutes for 28 Oct
14:40:29 <kendallclark> ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all).
14:40:31 <kendallclark> CONTINUES
14:40:56 <kendallclark> ACTION: Jeen review rq24-algebra
14:40:57 <kendallclark> DONE
14:41:05 <kendallclark> ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra
14:41:06 <kendallclark> DONE
14:41:16 <kendallclark> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue
14:41:17 <kendallclark> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests
14:41:21 <kendallclark> CONTINUE
14:41:30 <kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests
14:41:33 <kendallclark> DONE
14:41:42 <kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section
14:41:43 <kendallclark> DONE
14:42:03 <kendallclark> Andy wonders when Jeen might get to more reviewing
14:42:19 <kendallclark> Jeen thinks in the next few weeks, holidays allowing
14:42:23 <jeen> Jeen: hopefully (fingers crossed) within next week or the week after
14:42:51 <kendallclark> agenda+ rq24 review
14:43:17 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:43:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "path's draft of entailment section" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:43:27 <kendallclark> Pat's draft:
14:43:27 <kendallclark> http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes/SPARQL-BGP-semantics.html
14:44:08 <AndyS> PatH: draft covers necessary, not suficient conditions
14:44:51 <jeen> PatH: we can then use simple subgraph matching in sparql itself. 
14:45:19 <jeen> PatH: but leaves the door open for OWL DL ppl to do more.
14:45:21 <kendallclark> PatH: deliberately leaves the door open for OWL-DL people
14:46:55 <SimonR> +q Any comment on the choice that answer sets are required to be complete?
14:47:40 <kendallclark> nosy typist killing me!
14:47:54 <kendallclark> thanks andy
14:48:08 <jeen> zakim, mute me
14:48:08 <Zakim> jeen should now be muted
14:48:19 <jeen> no it was me I think, sorry
14:49:24 <jeen> kendall asks andy what more he needs for path's draft to move into rq24?
14:50:15 <patH> patH has joined #dawg
14:50:53 <kendallclark> ACTION PatH: To change the entailment section around to talk about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative appendix
14:51:16 <kendallclark> +2, Andy
14:51:57 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:51:57 <Zakim> agendum 4. "comments list action: corby & polleres" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:52:23 <kendallclark> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:52:23 <Zakim> agendum 5. "rq24 review" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:52:31 <jeen> zakim, unmute me
14:52:31 <Zakim> jeen should no longer be muted
14:53:25 <kendallclark> Jeen: reviewed w/ two colleagues, (who have db backgrounds but not so much sparql)
14:54:23 <kendallclark> Some editorial stuff, requests for clarification, etc
14:54:39 <kendallclark> Definitions of Diff & LeftJoin caused some trouble
14:55:24 <jeen> zakim, mute me
14:55:24 <Zakim> jeen should now be muted
14:55:36 <jeen> zakim, unmute me
14:55:36 <Zakim> jeen should no longer be muted
14:55:44 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:58:33 <jeen> AndyS: current def is closer to how SQL works, Jeen's mention of 'standard' refers more to how this work in relational algebra
14:59:42 <jeen> AndyS: the point has been made before but I disagree with it. current spec prevents having to repeat parts of the query.
14:59:57 <AndyS> Rewrite is A LJ B => A LJ (A Join B)
15:00:44 <AndyS> (A filter) OPT B => A LJ (  FILTER(A) JOIN B )
15:01:04 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #dawg
15:02:27 <Zakim> +EricP
15:02:42 <ericP> saaarreeee guys
15:02:56 <patH> hello eric, you were the scribe :)
15:03:16 <ericP> yep, plan to for the remaining time
15:07:46 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
15:07:46 <Zakim> agendum 4. "comments list action: corby & polleres" taken up [from kendallclark]
15:09:20 <kendallclark> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0171.html
15:10:57 <kendallclark> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0176.html
15:12:28 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Dec/0007.html
15:12:33 <Zakim> -jeen
15:12:34 <ericP> redirect sent to Olivier Corby
15:14:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:14:34 <jeen> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:14:34 <Zakim> +jeen; got it
15:14:34 <kendallclark> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Dec/0000.html
15:14:35 <AndyS> Starts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Dec/0000.html
15:18:39 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
15:18:39 <Zakim> I do not see any non-closed agenda items, kendallclark
15:19:58 <kendallclark> PROPOSED to ADJOURN
15:20:10 <Zakim> -PatH
15:20:10 <kendallclark> ADJOURNB
15:20:13 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:20:27 <ericP> Zakim, please draft minutes
15:20:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please draft minutes', ericP
15:20:37 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:20:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html ericP
15:22:10 <Zakim> -SimonR
15:22:58 <ericP> RRSAgent, make minutes world-access
15:22:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-access', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:23:01 <ericP> RRSAgent, make minutes world access
15:23:01 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world access', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:24:00 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent ==> rrsagent, [please] set [these] logs world-visible
15:24:21 <ericP> RRSAgent, make logs world access
15:24:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world access', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:24:24 <ericP> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:24:42 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:24:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html AndyS
15:25:15 <LeeF> good job, eric =)
15:26:15 <jeen> 'Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam'
15:27:37 <ericP> mailto:Frank.van.Harmelen@cs.vu.nl
15:27:52 <jeen> Paul de Bra
15:28:05 <jeen> Technical University Eindhoven 
15:28:29 <jeen> Technische Universiteit Eindhoven (in Dutch)
15:29:02 <ericP> mailto:debra@win.tue.nl
15:29:20 <jeen> mailto:j.broekstra@tue.nl
15:31:28 <Zakim> -jeen
15:38:25 <Zakim> -EricP
15:38:27 <Zakim> -Andy_Seaborne
15:38:29 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:38:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Andy_Seaborne, Kendall_Clark, +7.470.03.aaaa, PatH, SimonR, +1.617.894.aabb, jeen, LeeF, EricP
15:39:34 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
15:39:34 <Zakim> Zakim has left #dawg
15:39:41 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all). [1]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-40-29
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeen review rq24-algebra [2]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-40-56
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra [3]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-05
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [4]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-16
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests [5]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-17
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests [6]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-30
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section [7]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-42
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to To change the entailment section around to talk about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative appendix [8]
15:39:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-50-53