IRC log of dawg on 2006-12-05

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14:26:10 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc

14:26:13 [kendallclark]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:26:13 [Zakim]

ok, kendallclark; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

14:27:29 [kendallclark]

zakim, agenda+ bootup

14:27:29 [Zakim]

agendum 1 added

14:27:34 [kendallclark]

zakim, agenda+ action items

14:27:34 [Zakim]

agendum 2 added

14:27:51 [kendallclark]

zakim, agenda path's draft of entailment section

14:27:51 [Zakim]

I don't understand you, kendallclark

14:27:57 [kendallclark]

zakim, agenda+ path's draft of entailment section

14:27:57 [Zakim]

agendum 3 added

14:28:13 [kendallclark]

zakim, agenda+ comments list action: corby & polleres

14:28:13 [Zakim]

agendum 4 added

14:29:32 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started

14:29:39 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

14:29:40 [Zakim]

Attendees were

14:30:15 [kendallclark]

wtf?

14:30:21 [kendallclark]

zakim, this will be dawg

14:30:21 [Zakim]

ok, kendallclark; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now

14:30:27 [patH]

whoops, I might have done that. Sorry.

14:30:34 [kendallclark]

s'ok

14:30:46 [kendallclark]

zakim's a PITA

14:30:51 [patH]

;)

14:31:00 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started

14:31:08 [Zakim]

+Andy_Seaborne

14:31:18 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:31:31 [kendallclark]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:31:31 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Andy_Seaborne, Kendall_Clark

14:31:43 [Zakim]

+ +7.470.03.aaaa

14:31:45 [kendallclark]

zakim, please mute me

14:31:45 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

14:31:52 [kendallclark]

zakim, unmute me

14:31:52 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted

14:32:02 [Zakim]

+PatH

14:32:09 [kendallclark]

zakim, .aaaa is SimonR

14:32:09 [Zakim]

sorry, kendallclark, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'

14:32:13 [kendallclark]

zakim, aaaa is SimonR

14:32:13 [Zakim]

+SimonR; got it

14:32:15 [AndyS]

Buzzing is me - I'll mute - I've tried dialing several times already

14:32:22 [kendallclark]

AndyS: bummer

14:32:29 [kendallclark]

if it weren't so loud i'd just ignore it :)

14:32:35 [Zakim]

+ +1.617.894.aabb

14:32:39 [SimonR]

My first experiment with SIP to dial in....

14:32:40 [AndyS]

It's when I use ATT calling.

14:32:47 [kendallclark]

zakim, aabb is Zakim

14:32:47 [Zakim]

+Zakim; got it

14:33:09 [kendallclark]

zakim, aabb is LeeF

14:33:10 [Zakim]

sorry, kendallclark, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

14:33:12 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:33:13 [jeen]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:33:14 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

14:33:16 [kendallclark]

zakim, Zakim is LeeF

14:33:16 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:33:24 [kendallclark]

zakim, who's on the phone

14:33:24 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who's on the phone', kendallclark

14:33:27 [kendallclark]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:33:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Andy_Seaborne, Kendall_Clark, SimonR, PatH, LeeF, jeen

14:35:00 [kendallclark]

Scribe: jeen

14:35:01 [AndyS]

Scribe was to be EricP

14:35:04 [kendallclark]

Chair: KendallC

14:35:24 [AndyS]

==> <AndyS> Meet next time - one week's time - Eric to scribe

14:35:30 [kendallclark]

Attendees: AndyS, KendallC, SimonR, PatH, LeeF, JeenB

14:36:12 [AndyS]

Agenda looks fine to me

14:36:26 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up item 0

14:36:26 [Zakim]

agendum 0. "comments list action: corby & polleres" taken up [from kendallclark]

14:36:48 [AndyS]

I'm available.

14:37:27 [kendallclark]

zakim, please pick a scribe

14:37:27 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SimonR

14:37:44 [kendallclark]

zakim, please pick a scribe

14:37:44 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Andy_Seaborne

14:38:32 [kendallclark]

PROPOSED to meet next 12 Dec, KendallC chairing, some unlucky sap to scribe

14:38:41 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agedum

14:38:41 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take up next agedum', kendallclark

14:38:45 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:38:45 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "bootup" taken up [from kendallclark]

14:38:59 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:38:59 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, kendallclark

14:39:05 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:39:05 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, kendallclark

14:39:10 [kendallclark]

zakim, close agendum 1

14:39:10 [Zakim]

agendum 1, bootup, closed

14:39:11 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:39:12 [Zakim]

2. action items [from kendallclark]

14:39:15 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:39:15 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from kendallclark]

14:39:49 [kendallclark]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/att-0175/28-dawg-minutes.html

14:40:03 [kendallclark]

APPROVED minutes for 28 Oct

14:40:29 [kendallclark]

ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all).

14:40:31 [kendallclark]

CONTINUES

14:40:56 [kendallclark]

ACTION: Jeen review rq24-algebra

14:40:57 [kendallclark]

DONE

14:41:05 [kendallclark]

ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra

14:41:06 [kendallclark]

DONE

14:41:16 [kendallclark]

ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue

14:41:17 [kendallclark]

ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests

14:41:21 [kendallclark]

CONTINUE

14:41:30 [kendallclark]

ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests

14:41:33 [kendallclark]

DONE

14:41:42 [kendallclark]

ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section

14:41:43 [kendallclark]

DONE

14:42:03 [kendallclark]

Andy wonders when Jeen might get to more reviewing

14:42:19 [kendallclark]

Jeen thinks in the next few weeks, holidays allowing

14:42:23 [jeen]

Jeen: hopefully (fingers crossed) within next week or the week after

14:42:51 [kendallclark]

agenda+ rq24 review

14:43:17 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:43:17 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "path's draft of entailment section" taken up [from kendallclark]

14:43:27 [kendallclark]

Pat's draft:

14:43:27 [kendallclark]

http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes/SPARQL-BGP-semantics.html

14:44:08 [AndyS]

PatH: draft covers necessary, not suficient conditions

14:44:51 [jeen]

PatH: we can then use simple subgraph matching in sparql itself.

14:45:19 [jeen]

PatH: but leaves the door open for OWL DL ppl to do more.

14:45:21 [kendallclark]

PatH: deliberately leaves the door open for OWL-DL people

14:46:55 [SimonR]

+q Any comment on the choice that answer sets are required to be complete?

14:47:40 [kendallclark]

nosy typist killing me!

14:47:54 [kendallclark]

thanks andy

14:48:08 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

14:48:08 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

14:48:19 [jeen]

no it was me I think, sorry

14:49:24 [jeen]

kendall asks andy what more he needs for path's draft to move into rq24?

14:50:15 [patH]

patH has joined #dawg

14:50:53 [kendallclark]

ACTION PatH: To change the entailment section around to talk about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative appendix

14:51:16 [kendallclark]

+2, Andy

14:51:57 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:51:57 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "comments list action: corby & polleres" taken up [from kendallclark]

14:52:23 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:52:23 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "rq24 review" taken up [from kendallclark]

14:52:31 [jeen]

zakim, unmute me

14:52:31 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

14:53:25 [kendallclark]

Jeen: reviewed w/ two colleagues, (who have db backgrounds but not so much sparql)

14:54:23 [kendallclark]

Some editorial stuff, requests for clarification, etc

14:54:39 [kendallclark]

Definitions of Diff & LeftJoin caused some trouble

14:55:24 [jeen]

zakim, mute me

14:55:24 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

14:55:36 [jeen]

zakim, unmute me

14:55:36 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

14:55:44 [Zakim]

-LeeF

14:58:33 [jeen]

AndyS: current def is closer to how SQL works, Jeen's mention of 'standard' refers more to how this work in relational algebra

14:59:42 [jeen]

AndyS: the point has been made before but I disagree with it. current spec prevents having to repeat parts of the query.

14:59:57 [AndyS]

Rewrite is A LJ B => A LJ (A Join B)

15:00:44 [AndyS]

(A filter) OPT B => A LJ ( FILTER(A) JOIN B )

15:01:04 [LeeF]

LeeF has joined #dawg

15:02:27 [Zakim]

+EricP

15:02:42 [ericP]

saaarreeee guys

15:02:56 [patH]

hello eric, you were the scribe :)

15:03:16 [ericP]

yep, plan to for the remaining time

15:07:46 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:07:46 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "comments list action: corby & polleres" taken up [from kendallclark]

15:09:20 [kendallclark]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0171.html

15:10:57 [kendallclark]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0176.html

15:12:28 [AndyS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Dec/0007.html

15:12:33 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:12:34 [ericP]

redirect sent to Olivier Corby

15:14:24 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:14:34 [jeen]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

15:14:34 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

15:14:34 [kendallclark]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Dec/0000.html

15:14:35 [AndyS]

Starts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Dec/0000.html

15:18:39 [kendallclark]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:18:39 [Zakim]

I do not see any non-closed agenda items, kendallclark

15:19:58 [kendallclark]

PROPOSED to ADJOURN

15:20:10 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:20:10 [kendallclark]

ADJOURNB

15:20:13 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:20:27 [ericP]

Zakim, please draft minutes

15:20:27 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please draft minutes', ericP

15:20:37 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:20:37 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html ericP

15:22:10 [Zakim]

-SimonR

15:22:58 [ericP]

RRSAgent, make minutes world-access

15:22:58 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-access', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:23:01 [ericP]

RRSAgent, make minutes world access

15:23:01 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world access', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:24:00 [AndyS]

http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent ==> rrsagent, [please] set [these] logs world-visible

15:24:21 [ericP]

RRSAgent, make logs world access

15:24:21 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world access', ericP. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:24:24 [ericP]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:24:42 [AndyS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:24:42 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html AndyS

15:25:15 [LeeF]

good job, eric =)

15:26:15 [jeen]

'Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam'

15:27:37 [ericP]

mailto:Frank.van.Harmelen@cs.vu.nl

15:27:52 [jeen]

Paul de Bra

15:28:05 [jeen]

Technical University Eindhoven

15:28:29 [jeen]

Technische Universiteit Eindhoven (in Dutch)

15:29:02 [ericP]

mailto:debra@win.tue.nl

15:29:20 [jeen]

mailto:j.broekstra@tue.nl

15:31:28 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:38:25 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:38:27 [Zakim]

-Andy_Seaborne

15:38:29 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended

15:38:30 [Zakim]

Attendees were Andy_Seaborne, Kendall_Clark, +7.470.03.aaaa, PatH, SimonR, +1.617.894.aabb, jeen, LeeF, EricP

15:39:34 [AndyS]

zakim, please leave

15:39:34 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #dawg

15:39:41 [AndyS]

rrsagent, please leave

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-actions.rdf :

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all). [1]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-40-29

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jeen review rq24-algebra [2]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-40-56

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra [3]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-05

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [4]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-16

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests [5]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-17

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests [6]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-30

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section [7]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-41-42

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: PatH to To change the entailment section around to talk about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative appendix [8]

15:39:41 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-irc#T14-50-53