IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-11-30

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/11/30-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, is WAI_WCAG
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I don't understand 'is WAI_WCAG', ben
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+ +1.650.253.aaaa
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zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
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ben, this was already WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
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ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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+??P10
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0161.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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+[IPcaller]
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+Don_Evans
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-??P10
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Regrets: Tim_Boland, David_MacDonald
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+[IPcaller.a]
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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Zakim, +[IPcaller.a] is Roberto_Ellero
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sorry, rellero__, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.a]'
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zakim, +1.650 is perhaps Loretta
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+Loretta?; got it
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agenda+ Team B Survey for 16 November
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Zakim, +[IPcaller.a is Roberto_Ellero
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sorry, rellero__, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.a'
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agenda+ Conformance Proposals (30 November 2006)
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+??P13
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agenda+ Team C Survey for November 30, 2006
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+??P15
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zakim, ??P13 is Gregg_and_Ben
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+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta?, [IPcaller] (muted), Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero, Gregg_and_Ben, ??P15
21:02:44 [rellero__]
Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
21:02:53 [luca]
Zakim, P15 is luca
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sorry, luca, I do not recognize a party named 'P15'
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[IPcaller] is Sorcha
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zakim, ??P15 is Luca
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+Luca; got it
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Zakim, mute me
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Luca should now be muted
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+Becky_Gibson
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta?, [IPcaller] (muted), Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Luca (muted), Becky_Gibson
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zakim, [IPcaller is Sorcha
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+Sorcha; got it
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zakim, mute sorcha
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Sorcha was already muted, Sorcha
21:04:21 [bengt]
Sorcha: you can write that yourself you know ;)
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I tried!
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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you have to start with zakim, ...
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ah!
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta?, Sorcha (muted), Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Luca (muted), Becky_Gibson,
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... Christophe_Strobbe
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-Luca
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+John_Slatin
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zakim, Loretta? is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha (muted), Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Becky_Gibson,
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... Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin
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zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
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ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team B Survey for 16 November [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Team B Survey for 16 November" taken up [from ben]
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zakim, unmute me
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Sorcha should no longer be muted
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scribe: Sorcha
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zakim, mute me
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Sorcha should now be muted
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb16112006/results
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q+
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q-
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Topic: Combine SC 3.1.1 and 3.1.2
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[RESOLUTION] not combine and to leave at current levels
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zakim, unmute me
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Sorcha should no longer be muted
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...referrs to combining SC 3.1.1 and 3.1.2
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Topic: SC3.1.2 Individual words
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+??P18
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Zakim, ??P18 is luca
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+luca; got it
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Zakim, mute me
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luca should now be muted
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-luca
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+??P18
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zakim, ??P18 is Cynthia_Shelley
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+Cynthia_Shelley; got it
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zakim, Cynthia_Shelley is Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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q+ to say: you can almost always use a word from your own language instead of the "foreign" word
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ack Chr
21:29:16 [Zakim]
Christophe, you wanted to say: you can almost always use a word from your own language instead of the "foreign" word
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+[IBM]
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zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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This requirement does not apply to proper names, technical terms or individual words or phrases that have become part of the primary language of the content. If it is common for a language to borrow the words from other languages, that would be considered part of the primary language.
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zakim, unmute me
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Sorcha was not muted, Sorcha
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zakim, mute me
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Sorcha should now be muted
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q+
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q?
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zakim, unmute me
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Sorcha should no longer be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Sorcha should now be muted
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q+
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ack b
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zakim, unmute me
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Sorcha should no longer be muted
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Resolution: Sent back to Team B for further work on SC and sufficient techniques.
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zakim, mute me
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Sorcha should now be muted
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Topic: LC-1048, LC-1288: Automatic page refresh
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Resolution: 06 Accept Failure due to causing automatic page refresh to occur with out providing a way to deactivate or control the time limit.01
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06Topic: New Level 2 SC for Guideline 1.4
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ACK C
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q+
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ACK B
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ACK J
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Q+
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ACK L
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ACK G
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ACK C
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q+
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ACK A
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Resolution: Referred back to committee
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Conformance Proposals (30 November 2006) [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 9
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I only see 4 items on the agenda
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Conformance Proposals (30 November 2006)" taken up [from ben]
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20061130conformance/results
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ACK L
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ACK J
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zakim, unmute me
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+q
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Sorcha should no longer be muted
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q+
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Resolution: Delay discussion on conformance to next week except for cleaning up editorial and comments
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-Don_Evans
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. Team C Survey for November 30, 2006 [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Team C Survey for November 30, 2006" taken up [from ben]
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Topic: LC-742 Visually evident depends on the user
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20061130-teamc/results
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-Sorcha
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+[IPcaller]
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Zakim, [IPcaller is Sorcha
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+Sorcha; got it
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zakim, mute me
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Sorcha should now be muted
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ACK S
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-Roberto_Ellero
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Any information that is conveyed by color differences is also visually evident without the color differences.
22:52:30 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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Resolution: Change wording to "Any information that is conveyed by color differences is also visually evident without the color differences."
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zakim, unmute me
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Sorcha should no longer be muted
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Topic: LC-1078 Move scope attribute technique to advisory
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Resolution: Referred to committee to be considered as part of AT push
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Topic: LC-1157 Change "without color" to "if any color cannot be perceived"
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Resolution: Close with change in wording to same text as LC-742
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Topic: LC-1046 Real-time events
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Resolution: Accept as proposed
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Present: Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Don_Evans, Roberto_Ellero, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Becky_Gibson, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin, Cynthia_Shelly, Luca_Mascaro, Andi_Snow-Weaver
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Sofia_Celic
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-John_Slatin
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-Becky_Gibson
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Sorcha
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Bengt_Farre
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RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2006/11/30-wai-wcag-irc#T23-13-44
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-Gregg_and_Ben
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, +1.650.253.aaaa, [IPcaller], Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Roberto_Ellero, Luca, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha, Christophe_Strobbe,
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... John_Slatin, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver
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hey Ben
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