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13:22:42 <Christophe> zakim, conferences?
13:22:42 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Christophe.
13:22:46 <Christophe> zakim, meetings?
13:22:46 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Christophe.
13:22:52 <Christophe> zakim, what conferences?
13:22:52 <Zakim> I see no active conferences
13:22:54 <Zakim> scheduled at this time are ARCH_Team()8:00AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM
13:23:03 <Christophe> zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF
13:23:03 <Zakim> ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:23:09 <Christophe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Nov/0036.html
13:23:25 <Christophe> Meeting: TSDTF
13:23:44 <Christophe> Regrets: Shane, Vangelis, Shadi
13:23:58 <Christophe> Chair: Carlos, Christophe
13:24:16 <Christophe> Agenda+ Location and techniques in TCDL 2.0
13:24:31 <Christophe> Agenda+ Evaluation process for test samples <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process>
13:29:50 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
13:29:58 <Zakim> + +43.732.246.8aaaa
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13:32:34 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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13:33:00 <Zakim> +??P2
13:33:21 <Christophe> zakim, ??p2 is CarlosV
13:33:21 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:33:55 <Christophe> zakim, +43 is Daniela
13:33:55 <Zakim> +Daniela; got it
13:34:14 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
13:34:29 <Christophe> zakim, [CT is CarlosI
13:34:29 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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13:35:18 <Zakim> +??P3
13:35:39 <Christophe> zakim, ??P3 is ChrisR
13:35:39 <Zakim> +ChrisR; got it
13:36:41 <ChrisR> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:36:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Location and techniques in TCDL 2.0" taken up [from Christophe]
13:37:36 <Christophe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Nov/0029
13:43:29 <ChrisR> (discussion of allowing only one technique per test sample)
13:45:22 <ChrisR> CS: If more than one technique is required for a SC then it means there can be more than one test sample per SC.
13:50:12 <ChrisR> CV: Might be rare cases where SC must repeat location of accessibility problem.
13:51:40 <ChrisR> CS: Concern is that techniques and locations are not associated other than one following the other.
13:51:53 <ChrisR> CS: We can likely live without it but may be helpful.
13:54:29 <ChrisR> CS: Several ways to associate techniques and locations. Could be ID references or nesting.
13:56:20 <ChrisR> Dan: If nesting then agree with Vangalis other could use ID references.
13:56:54 <ChrisR> Dan: Has test sample where problem occurs.
13:57:56 <ChrisR> Dan: Example is form with several labels.
13:58:30 <ChrisR> (discussion)
13:58:52 <ChrisR> Dan: Perhaps not a valid example. Could be dropped.
14:00:14 <ChrisR> CV: Relationship between techs and locations is important. Current strategy is weak and should improve.
14:00:39 <ChrisR> CV: If use nesting then like location inside techniques.
14:01:49 <ChrisR> CV: Always like less verbose strategy. Slightly prefer ID reference.
14:02:46 <ChrisR> CV: Not sure if we can follow ID reference model however.
14:03:34 <ChrisR> CS: Can live with ID reference model.
14:04:10 <ChrisR> CS: Asks for examples of each model be sent to list and we can discuss.
14:04:45 <ChrisR> action: CS will create examples of each model and send to list.
14:05:14 <ChrisR> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Evaluation process for test samples <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/process>" taken up [from Christophe]
14:07:48 <ChrisR> Dan: Good structure but in step 3 (intial evaluation) not sure who does assignment?
14:08:39 <ChrisR> CS: People may take batches but not sure who assignes.
14:09:12 <ChrisR> CS: Might be nice to have something in TCDL that states who has been assigned to test sample.
14:09:29 <ChrisR> CS: Would require a change to TCDL.
14:10:36 <ChrisR> CV: Not sure we should include who reviewed test sample in evaluation.
14:11:36 <ChrisR> (discussion)
14:12:24 <ChrisR> CS: Perhaps use a temporary element in file?
14:13:06 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
14:14:21 <ChrisR> Dan: Important that at least one person has overview of who is assigned to test samples.
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14:15:14 <ChrisR> (use of Wiki discussed)
14:17:51 <ChrisR> TB: Has checklist for metrics been created yet?
14:18:08 <ChrisR> CS: No checklist yet.
14:18:51 <ChrisR> TB: Need common set of metrics.
14:18:54 <CarlosV> zakim, mute me
14:18:54 <Zakim> CarlosV should now be muted
14:19:24 <CarlosV> zakim, unmute me
14:19:24 <Zakim> CarlosV should no longer be muted
14:19:53 <ChrisR> CS: If sample does not meet all requirements the returned to 'unconfirmed' status.
14:20:33 <ChrisR> CS: Most of checks are quite clear but there is still some small interpretation needed.
14:20:58 <ChrisR> TB: Could try out and see if works. Then modify if needed.
14:23:10 <ChrisR> CS: Tried using test sample in CVS but did not have all data to  move to next step.
14:23:46 <ChrisR> CS: Until we have all data all test samples will be unconfirmed.
14:24:35 <ChrisR> Dan: In step 4 - "checklist for structure reviews" should this be "checklist for content reviews"?
14:24:41 <ChrisR> CS: Yes, should be.
14:25:25 <ChrisR> CV: Questions if we need to seperate steps 3 and 4.
14:25:29 <Zakim> -CarlosI
14:28:24 <ChrisR> CS: Don't see issue with strawpolls.
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14:29:25 <ChrisR> Dan: Suggest we need timeouts for polls. 
14:29:49 <ChrisR> CS: Yes, can add timeouts and if insufficent responses then can be reopened.
14:30:06 <ChrisR> (general agreement)
14:30:48 <CarlosI> sorry, I've lost conection and now Zakim doesn't want me on the conference again
14:31:36 <CarlosI> In brief, I think Steps 2 and 3 are the same as currently defined and could be merged in one
14:31:44 <ChrisR> action: CS will write up summary of discussion and send to list for comments.
14:31:54 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
14:31:59 <Zakim> -Daniela
14:32:01 <Zakim> -ChrisR
14:32:02 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:32:03 <CarlosI> sorry, I mean steps 3 and 4
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14:32:08 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:32:10 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
14:32:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.732.246.8aaaa, Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosV, Daniela, [CTIC], CarlosI, ChrisR, Tim_Boland
14:33:07 <Christophe> Present: Daniela, Christophe, CarlosV, CarlosI, ChrisR, Tim_Boland
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14:33:37 <Christophe> rrsagent, make log world
14:34:11 <Christophe> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:34:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-minutes.html Christophe
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16:25:32 <Christophe> rrsagent, bye
16:25:32 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
16:25:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS will create examples of each model and send to list. [1]
16:25:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-tsdtf-irc#T14-04-45
16:25:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS will write up summary of discussion and send to list for comments. [2]
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