IRC log of databinding on 2006-11-28

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be DBWG

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ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference

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Date: 28 November 2006

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Nov/0036.html

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+??P10

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+Jon_Calladine

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+Mario_Jeckle

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zakim, code?

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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld

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+??P16

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zakim, ??P10 is probably George

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+George?; got it

15:02:47 [pauld]

zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see George?, Jon_Calladine, Vlad, ??P16

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On IRC I see vlad, gcowe, JonC, Zakim, RRSAgent, pauld, Yves, trackbot

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+Yves

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zakim, ??P16 is me

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+pauld; got it

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scribe: pauld

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minutes from the 21st approved

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ACTION: yves to add LC-Basic as a product on tracker

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Created ACTION-91 - Add LC-Basic as a product on tracker [on Yves Lafon - due 2006-12-05].

15:06:40 [pauld]

pauld: we're in last call

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Topic: ISSUE-12

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george: been working on a validation service, have a JSP

15:07:47 [pauld]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:08:03 [Zakim]

pauld, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

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yves: send me the source, will look into it when the team return

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Topic: ISSUE-2

15:10:08 [pauld]

pauld: i'm a block, will get a page put up

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yves: still working on XMLUnit

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vlad: been trying the testsuite in our framework, some general directions

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pauld: include is broken

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pauld: we need small schemas to include in some of our examples

15:17:03 [pauld]

ACTION: gcowe to look at fixing our include issues, ISSUE-98

15:17:03 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-92 - Look at fixing our include issues, ISSUE-98 [on George Cowe - due 2006-12-05].

15:18:11 [pauld]

pauld: we seem to have a number of patterns for Advanced which we closed the issue, but aren't in the patterns and examples

15:20:35 [pauld]

Topic: ISSUE-62 Why would a pattern NOT be included in our Advanced document?

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-pauld

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+??P0

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zakim, ??P0 is me

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+pauld; got it

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jonc: how do we get vendors' input on what isn't implementable?

15:25:39 [pauld]

jonc: can we get a commnity input, or on an individual basis

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.. is there a vendor concensus

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pauld: we have a working group, they can join

15:27:09 [pauld]

pauld: business as usual, we may get some interest from the LC

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pauld: testsuite will help

15:28:42 [pauld]

pauld: more interested in if we end up with the whole of schema covered, or only patterns we see in use?

15:29:31 [pauld]

pauld: maybe we should just examine some Advanced issues and find our way

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jonc: is the concern this could be a job for life?:

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.. some of us are only interested in the Basic, vendors may be more interested in the Advanced?

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pauld: think schema publishers may also be interested in Advanced

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pauld: risk is that anyone could come with any pattern and we would publish it as Advanced

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jonc: if *any* recognised toolkit can process a pattern, then it could be "Advanced"

15:34:18 [pauld]

pauld: so what about "open enumeration type" no toolkit may support it, but i want it in Advanced

15:35:30 [pauld]

pauld: would it be acceptable for us to assign a URI for a pattern, but not put it in either document?

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jonc: would any schema author want to use a pattern not implementable in a databinding toolkit

15:37:45 [pauld]

pauld: would like to have coverage for any valid schema

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pauld: thinking we stop when we run out of time

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pauld: am I overthinking this

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george: not had many people contributing patterns

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yves: we should contact people now we have LC documents

15:40:31 [pauld]

vlad: submitted some patterns, and publically available schemas, may not be representative in terms of coverage

15:41:21 [pauld]

pauld: ok so we need outreach

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george: we need to make sure we have coverage of patterns from our issues list

15:42:09 [pauld]

pauld: george, submit your patterns!

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pauld: we seem to have some base types missing for enumerations

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/patterns/6/09/LongSimpleTypePattern/

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pauld: so we need better coverage of base types

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/examples/6/09/StringSimpleTypePattern/

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george: may not be firing in our examples

15:53:20 [pauld]

pauld: will raise appInfo as a separate issue

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RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-97 on basis of exploding into other issues

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ACTION: pdowney to explode ISSUE-97

15:56:08 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-93 - Explode ISSUE-97 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-05].

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-Vlad

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-Yves

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-George?

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-Jon_Calladine

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-pauld

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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Jon_Calladine, Vlad, George?, Yves, pauld

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-databinding-minutes.html pauld

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