IRC log of mmsem on 2006-11-23

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16:33:57 [raphael]

raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

16:34:23 [raphael]

zakim, list

16:34:23 [Zakim]

I see no active conferences

16:34:24 [Zakim]

scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM,

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... VB_VBWG()10:00AM

16:38:59 [raphael]

zakim, list

16:38:59 [Zakim]

I see no active conferences

16:39:00 [Zakim]

scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM,

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... VB_VBWG()10:00AM

16:51:12 [raphael]

zakim, list

16:51:12 [Zakim]

I see no active conferences

16:51:13 [Zakim]

scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM,

16:51:15 [Zakim]

... WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM

16:51:24 [raphael]

zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM

16:51:24 [Zakim]

ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

16:51:48 [raphael]

Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

16:52:02 [raphael]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html

16:52:09 [raphael]

Scribe: Raphael, Jacco

16:52:12 [raphael]

Chair: Jeff

16:52:42 [raphael]

Regrets: Giovanni, Pasquale, Chris, Paola, Thierry, Stamatia

16:52:50 [raphael]

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16:54:17 [Zakim]

INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started

16:54:22 [raphael]

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16:54:26 [raphael]

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16:54:31 [TobiasBuerger]

hi raphael!

16:54:56 [raphael]

Topic: 1. ADMIN

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16:56:25 [mhausenblas]

hi

16:56:47 [mhausenblas]

zakim, who is here?

16:56:47 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

16:56:48 [Zakim]

On IRC I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

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16:57:43 [raphael]

zakim, list

16:57:43 [Zakim]

I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM active

16:57:45 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM,

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... GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM

16:57:57 [raphael]

zakim, this is INC_MMSEM

16:57:57 [Zakim]

raphael, this was already INC_MMSEM()12:00PM

16:57:58 [Zakim]

ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM

16:58:24 [alessio]

hallo raphael, hallo all

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17:01:35 [IoannisPratikakis]

unfortunately, it is not possible

17:02:03 [IoannisPratikakis]

we have a restriction to call abroad

17:02:07 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

17:02:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

17:02:08 [Zakim]

On IRC I see anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

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17:02:20 [IoannisPratikakis]

we have to do it via secreteriat that is closed now

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17:02:53 [alessio]

I know Ioannis problem... that's because I always join via IRC

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17:03:19 [SusanneBoll]

mute SusanneBoll

17:03:27 [raphael]

zakim, mute SusanneBoll

17:03:27 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'SusanneBoll'

17:03:32 [IoannisPratikakis]

voipbuster is for free ?

17:03:40 [SusanneBoll]

mute Susanne Boll

17:03:42 [raphael]

YES, Ioannis

17:03:52 [raphael]

type : "Zakim, mute me"

17:03:55 [Jacco]

soory guys, I've to send regrets. Thought I would be ok after a few asparins but I'm not... See you next time

17:04:09 [raphael]

perhaps

17:04:17 [SusanneBoll]

Zakim, mute me

17:04:17 [Zakim]

sorry, SusanneBoll, I do not see a party named 'SusanneBoll'

17:04:20 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

17:04:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

17:04:21 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:04:24 [mhausenblas]

hear you in a minute ...

17:04:26 [IoannisPratikakis]

thanks for the info, first i hear it

17:04:33 [anadiotis]

actually, i think voipbuster only gives you an initial number of free minutes, after that you have to pay

17:04:58 [Zakim]

INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were

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INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started

17:06:07 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

17:06:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

17:06:08 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

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zakim, who is here ?

17:06:51 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

17:06:52 [Zakim]

On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:07:06 [isti]

hi all from Patrizia, Suzanne and Massimo

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INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were

17:07:45 [JeffP]

zakim, who is here?

17:07:45 [Zakim]

apparently INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended, JeffP

17:07:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:07:51 [Zakim]

INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started

17:07:59 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

17:07:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

17:08:00 [Zakim]

On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:08:07 [raphael]

zakim, this is me

17:08:07 [Zakim]

raphael, I see SwapMe in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be me".

17:08:23 [raphael]

could you all join please ?

17:08:37 [raphael]

zakim, this is INC_MMSEM

17:08:37 [Zakim]

raphael, this was already INC_MMSEM()12:00PM

17:08:39 [Zakim]

ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM

17:08:48 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

17:08:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

17:08:49 [Zakim]

On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:09:07 [raphael]

please ALL, join again on the phone

17:09:57 [raphael]

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17:09:57 [RRSAgent]

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17:10:11 [raphael]

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17:10:20 [raphael]

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17:10:58 [SusanneBoll]

i am here

17:11:10 [raphael]

Susanne you can join again on the phone

17:12:05 [raphael]

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 16 November 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED

17:12:21 [raphael]

ACCEPTED: skip the telecon of 7 December 2006, reason: Face 2 Face the

17:12:21 [raphael]

8-9 of December

17:12:31 [raphael]

POLL: next telecon of 21 December 20006 ?

17:12:55 [IoannisPratikakis]

vote for 21/12

17:13:18 [SusanneBoll]

yes, please

17:13:43 [raphael]

SKIP the telecon of 21/12: ACCEPTED

17:13:54 [raphael]

POLL: next telecon of 4 January 2007 ?

17:14:44 [raphael]

Next Telecon: 11/01 and 18/01

17:15:00 [raphael]

Topic: 2. LINKS Pages

17:15:27 [raphael]

Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page ...

17:15:31 [raphael]

Oscar has contributed

17:15:42 [raphael]

his account is in the pipeline

17:17:35 [raphael]

Raphael ... skip the section 4 ... describe the overlap in the description of the vocabularies

17:18:52 [raphael]

... make this document an XG TR ?

17:19:06 [raphael]

keep it as a living document for sure.

17:19:15 [raphael]

all my comments have been addressed

17:19:49 [raphael]

Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page ... Giovanni not here

17:20:08 [raphael]

Topic: 3. XG UPDATES

17:20:13 [raphael]

Melli and Paul are not here

17:20:56 [raphael]

ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the SW" PENDING

17:21:35 [raphael]

ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases PENDING

17:22:02 [raphael]

ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases PENDING

17:22:14 [raphael]

Topic: 3.1 Music Use Case

17:22:33 [raphael]

nobody is here

17:22:51 [raphael]

Topic: 3.2 News Use case

17:24:03 [raphael]

We are working on getting the data

17:25:14 [raphael]

PB: show problems of using NewsML1 and 2, DowJones ML or even the format from a braodcaster

17:25:18 [mhausenblas]

raphael http://www.profium.com/

17:26:54 [raphael]

Except to have a nice description for discussion during the F2F

17:27:18 [raphael]

Topic: 3.3 Bio-medical use case

17:27:21 [raphael]

Melli is not here

17:27:37 [raphael]

Topic: 3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case

17:28:00 [raphael]

Michael does not really know the status

17:29:24 [raphael]

ACTION: Michael to contact Stamatia about this use case

17:29:36 [raphael]

Topic: 3.5 Photo Use case

17:31:48 [raphael]

Susanne: plan to use slides to present the use case

17:32:08 [raphael]

Raphael: F2F will be working session, we could spend one hour per use case

17:32:48 [raphael]

Susanne: overlap with the vocabulary page, many vocabularies possible

17:33:54 [raphael]

... discuss the applications that will handle the metadata

17:35:58 [raphael]

Jeff: towards a common framework for MM interoperability problems ...

17:36:32 [raphael]

Topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case

17:36:46 [raphael]

Ioannis, would you like to comment ?

17:36:56 [IoannisPratikakis]

there is an update since yesterday

17:37:06 [IoannisPratikakis]

apologies for my late response

17:37:14 [IoannisPratikakis]

due to limited availability

17:37:20 [raphael]

would you like to explain this update ...

17:37:37 [IoannisPratikakis]

examples are more detaled

17:38:23 [IoannisPratikakis]

there is a Figure to depict the metadata over the web page

17:38:32 [raphael]

My main coments with the update is why choosing an example about athletics in Section 2 and then an art example in the solution (section 3)

17:38:39 [raphael]

?

17:38:49 [raphael]

When do you plan to discuss the solution ?

17:39:07 [raphael]

Topic: 3.7 Algorithm representation Use case

17:39:18 [IoannisPratikakis]

for both examples are already discussed the solutions

17:39:50 [raphael]

thanks Ioannis, what do you expect now for going forward ?

17:40:05 [raphael]

Two review for the use cases: Tobias and Raphael

17:40:13 [raphael]

zakim, who is talking

17:40:13 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is talking', raphael

17:40:16 [raphael]

zakim, who is talking?

17:40:28 [Zakim]

raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (28%), ??P3 (13%), ??P5 (71%)

17:40:32 [IoannisPratikakis]

more people involved from the SW community to give a more in-depth flavor of the SW requirements

17:40:37 [raphael]

zakim, mute ??P5

17:40:37 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named '??P5'

17:40:40 [raphael]

zakim, mute P5

17:40:40 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'P5'

17:41:04 [IoannisPratikakis]

we should discuss it at F2F meeting

17:41:20 [raphael]

ok Ioannis !

17:42:34 [raphael]

Patrizia: different kind of interoperability problems

17:42:45 [raphael]

... low level: input / output of the algorithms

17:43:09 [raphael]

... higher level: semantic concepts

17:43:49 [raphael]

You should take a look at the MPEG-7 ontology of K-Space .... (algorithm design pattern)

17:44:12 [IoannisPratikakis]

is it publicly available ?

17:44:33 [mhausenblas]

iannis: not yet

17:45:00 [IoannisPratikakis]

when do you estimate that we may have at least a draft ?

17:45:49 [raphael]

Most likely in December ...

17:46:16 [IoannisPratikakis]

If we can get it to F2F then perfect timing

17:47:51 [raphael]

ACTION: Patrizia to tell if someone from ISTI will make the F2F

17:48:29 [raphael]

Topic: 3.8 Tagging Use case

17:48:46 [raphael]

Small update on the description of the solution

17:49:12 [raphael]

George will not make the F2F

17:49:24 [raphael]

... but it is possible to make a demo during the Face 2 Face

17:50:47 [raphael]

Topic: 3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web Applications

17:50:59 [raphael]

ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review

17:52:11 [raphael]

PENDING

17:52:24 [raphael]

Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable

17:52:30 [raphael]

Vassilis is not here

17:52:49 [raphael]

It will be an important point during the next F2F meeting

17:53:03 [raphael]

Susanne: what kind of text should be provided ?

17:54:11 [raphael]

Jeff: in section 9 (possible solutions) and 6.2

17:54:48 [raphael]

... summary of the problems encountered in the use cases

17:54:56 [mhausenblas]

we have a AP here already ... (Vassilis) - better wait?

17:55:28 [raphael]

ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list: PENDING

17:56:03 [raphael]

sorry, i quit the phone, no crdit on my phone card :-(

17:56:39 [raphael]

I'm finishing the telecon on IRC only

17:56:45 [raphael]

Michael, you scribe the end ?

17:56:59 [mhausenblas]

i'll try it ..

17:57:31 [raphael]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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17:58:22 [mhausenblas]

ACTION: Chairs to contact Vassilis, ALL UC authors to contribute till F2F

17:58:52 [mhausenblas]

Topic: Future Meetings

18:00:44 [anadiotis]

bye all

18:00:59 [Zakim]

INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were

18:01:08 [SusanneBoll]

bye

18:01:39 [raphael]

Scribe: raphael, michael

18:01:44 [IoannisPratikakis]

bye, see you at F2F in Athens

18:02:00 [JeffP]

see you :-)

18:02:23 [raphael]

Present: SusanneBoll, Raphael, JeffPan, Michael, ISTI, George, Tobias, Ioannis(IRC), Jacco(IRC), alessio(IRC)

18:02:30 [raphael]

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18:03:01 [raphael]

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18:04:23 [alessio]

ciao, a bientot :)

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18:04:58 [mhausenblas]

bye - see you soon!

20:16:23 [SusanneBoll]

quit

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